If the Stinger didn't exist, what would you have bought?

LOL I said currently I don't have a 911 or a Ferrari, when you are broke and have lots of envy you spend a lots of time staking people.
Ohhh....so you DID have those vehicles. You just never mention them because you don't anymore. That makes sense. I figured since you've made about 100+ posts on the forum about your 2014 Porsche 981, that you paid $84k for, that had a sagging headliner, warped doors and a malfunctioning sport chrono sysyem, that you would've made an even bigger stink about your 2017 911 that you paid $150k for that had all the exact...same...issues. Talk about bad luck.
 
Ohhh....so you DID have those vehicles. You just never mention them because you don't anymore. That makes sense. I figured since you've made about 100+ posts on the forum about your 2014 Porsche 981, that you paid $84k for, that had a sagging headliner, warped doors and a malfunctioning sport chrono sysyem, that you would've made an even bigger stink about your 2017 911 that you paid $150k for that had all the exact...same...issues. Talk about bad luck.
Do I sense a little sarcasm in this post??
 
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I would have gotten the Honda Accord. It's roomier inside, and has their Honda Sensing suite as standard on all trim levels, and even comes in a manual.

I test drove both of them, but it wasn't ever really a contest. The Stinger won (and still wins) on looks, muscle and sheer attitude. It's just cooler. I don't think I would have been unhappy with the Accord, but every time I get into the Stinger I'm glad I chose it.
 
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Yes, this exactly. The way the back end thuds over bumps is one of the things I dislike the most. I’m actually trying to decide now whether to give up on the Stinger or try investing in some smaller wheels. Some people don’t even notice this, but it really annoys me. It’s not a stiffness/sportiness issue (my previous car was stiffer). It’s just a lack of refinement.

To this statement, you may want to try to invest in some sound deadening in the rear, like Dynamat. I would suspect laying down a bunch over the rear arches and on the floor of the trunk may reduce some of this. Not for sure, but I think a good chance. Unless all the boominess comes from the big hatch itself.

I realize now that I made the Stinger purchase based on a “checklist” mentality which was a mistake. The Stinger (and Kias in general) will usually win this kind of contest. I should have just emphasized a subjective evaluation of “how does this car make me feel”. Lesson learned.

It was absolutely the same for me. I wasn't even seriously considering a new car. Test drove one just for the hell of it. Came home and seriously crunched the numbers, plus the fiance was pushing me toward something safer . Ended up finding an identical one for a much better price 100mi away the next day. E-mailed the salesman and said if you match the price, I'll buy tonight. And I did.

Little over 24 hours from test drive to in my garage.

I bought my Stinger originally with these two sentiments in mind (more of the first than the second though). Prior to the Stinger, I had a 2015 Mustang GT that I factory ordered. I learned I'm way too OCD for a car like the Mustang. Over the 3-1/2 years I owned it, I touched up paint chips and kept adding more and more stone guard to various areas that were getting hit by rocks. The interior was becoming an absolute rattle trap - the glovebox rattled, the dash over the cluster rattled, the b pillars rattled, the doors rattled. Everything rattled and ticked. Above all that, it was impossible to stop modding it, I just kept spending money on it. I decided in 2018 summer that I would just try to live with the rattles and somehow get over it, but then the rear end started to make a clack, I brought it to the dealer that really let me down, kept it for two days and figured nothing out (they didn't even touch it til the end of the second day even though it was scheduled in) and when they couldn't do anything, that was it. I had already test driven a Stinger prior and was reasonably satisfied with it, so off to Kia I went...

I test drove a blue Stinger demo they had with about 1000 KMS. I listened to the Sirius XM stereo blasting in the one in the showroom and figured that the stereo sounded good enough that I don't need to change anything (not to consider other sources sound better), so check there. The car felt reasonably quick, but more importantly had the magazine numbers to back it up. I knew my Mustang ran a 12.92 quarter mile in my city, so I figured a 13.2 would be close enough in the Stinger (stock). I took the Stinger on the test drive and I liked some things like the adjustable side bolsters, the sunroof, the HUD. Infotainment looked modern enough for 2018 and had good features. I drove the car with the stereo silent to be sure it was rattle free, and at least that particular car was. Long story short, I figured the Stinger would be a suitable replacement for the Mustang.

Fast forward not too long and the degradation and flaws reared their head rather quickly. First was the initial paint defects. Second was the nasty 3-4 gear changes. Third was the B pillar door ticking. Fourth was the sunroof popping. Fifth was the hatch clacking over harder bumps. Sixth was the lack of performance (I was only able to get 13.19s 1/4 mile with Map 2 on JB4, I expected nearly that stock). There were likely more things that bothered me, but those stood out the most. The intent on the Stinger was to compromise a bit of sportiness, add two doors, lose a little max performance, to have an overall better car. Unfortunately the issues greatly overshadowed my lofty expectations on the car.

So the question is what would I have bought if not for the Stinger, I think the M240i (which I have now) would be the one. It fits the criteria I want - coupe, good performance, AWD which is nice for winter, a good transmission (although I would have preferred manual with AWD), and "enough" creature comforts and amenities. Would I have bought it ~2 years ago? Hard to say, 65K MSRP is a bit of a tough pill, but right now I saw screw it, I'm not getting any younger and can afford the payments, so I thought I would try. Only the next few years will tell if it was the right choice. The only saving grace is that if it falls short of what I expect, I can give it back when the lease is up without having to justify the flaws to the next buyer.

I don't want to brandish the Stinger. It is great value for money, it does look nice, it does perform quite well. It just didn't hit the mark for me, and I probably had a worse than average one. If mine didn't have all those flaws, would I still have it? Probably. Would I recommend the Stinger? Yes, with a thorough test drive, and knowledge of things you may face.
 
To this statement, you may want to try to invest in some sound deadening in the rear, like Dynamat. I would suspect laying down a bunch over the rear arches and on the floor of the trunk may reduce some of this. Not for sure, but I think a good chance. Unless all the boominess comes from the big hatch itself.





I bought my Stinger originally with these two sentiments in mind (more of the first than the second though). Prior to the Stinger, I had a 2015 Mustang GT that I factory ordered. I learned I'm way too OCD for a car like the Mustang. Over the 3-1/2 years I owned it, I touched up paint chips and kept adding more and more stone guard to various areas that were getting hit by rocks. The interior was becoming an absolute rattle trap - the glovebox rattled, the dash over the cluster rattled, the b pillars rattled, the doors rattled. Everything rattled and ticked. Above all that, it was impossible to stop modding it, I just kept spending money on it. I decided in 2018 summer that I would just try to live with the rattles and somehow get over it, but then the rear end started to make a clack, I brought it to the dealer that really let me down, kept it for two days and figured nothing out (they didn't even touch it til the end of the second day even though it was scheduled in) and when they couldn't do anything, that was it. I had already test driven a Stinger prior and was reasonably satisfied with it, so off to Kia I went...

I test drove a blue Stinger demo they had with about 1000 KMS. I listened to the Sirius XM stereo blasting in the one in the showroom and figured that the stereo sounded good enough that I don't need to change anything (not to consider other sources sound better), so check there. The car felt reasonably quick, but more importantly had the magazine numbers to back it up. I knew my Mustang ran a 12.92 quarter mile in my city, so I figured a 13.2 would be close enough in the Stinger (stock). I took the Stinger on the test drive and I liked some things like the adjustable side bolsters, the sunroof, the HUD. Infotainment looked modern enough for 2018 and had good features. I drove the car with the stereo silent to be sure it was rattle free, and at least that particular car was. Long story short, I figured the Stinger would be a suitable replacement for the Mustang.

Fast forward not too long and the degradation and flaws reared their head rather quickly. First was the initial paint defects. Second was the nasty 3-4 gear changes. Third was the B pillar door ticking. Fourth was the sunroof popping. Fifth was the hatch clacking over harder bumps. Sixth was the lack of performance (I was only able to get 13.19s 1/4 mile with Map 2 on JB4, I expected nearly that stock). There were likely more things that bothered me, but those stood out the most. The intent on the Stinger was to compromise a bit of sportiness, add two doors, lose a little max performance, to have an overall better car. Unfortunately the issues greatly overshadowed my lofty expectations on the car.

So the question is what would I have bought if not for the Stinger, I think the M240i (which I have now) would be the one. It fits the criteria I want - coupe, good performance, AWD which is nice for winter, a good transmission (although I would have preferred manual with AWD), and "enough" creature comforts and amenities. Would I have bought it ~2 years ago? Hard to say, 65K MSRP is a bit of a tough pill, but right now I saw screw it, I'm not getting any younger and can afford the payments, so I thought I would try. Only the next few years will tell if it was the right choice. The only saving grace is that if it falls short of what I expect, I can give it back when the lease is up without having to justify the flaws to the next buyer.

I don't want to brandish the Stinger. It is great value for money, it does look nice, it does perform quite well. It just didn't hit the mark for me, and I probably had a worse than average one. If mine didn't have all those flaws, would I still have it? Probably. Would I recommend the Stinger? Yes, with a thorough test drive, and knowledge of things you may face.

Do you think any of your concerns/complaints were addressed in the next 2 model years? I have a SWP and the paint still looks amazing; 20k miles and no rattles at al . .... I didn't look to get an overly high performance machine but in sport ,from a dig it holds it's own for me.....I've never had a high end car or a muscle machine so expectations are much much lower
 
Do you think any of your concerns/complaints were addressed in the next 2 model years? I have a Snow White Pearl and the paint still looks amazing; 20k miles and no rattles at al . .... I didn't look to get an overly high performance machine but in sport ,from a dig it holds it's own for me.....I've never had a high end car or a muscle machine so expectations are much much lower
The only "thud" I have ever heard people complain about is the rear hatch which has a fix. I have only ever heard people complain about the rear suspension being bouncy
 
Do you think any of your concerns/complaints were addressed in the next 2 model years? I have a Snow White Pearl and the paint still looks amazing; 20k miles and no rattles at al . .... I didn't look to get an overly high performance machine but in sport ,from a dig it holds it's own for me.....I've never had a high end car or a muscle machine so expectations are much much lower

Did the car get better over 2 years, yes and no. I've seen complaints on this forum for 2019's and 2020's with the same issues I had. I'm admittedly highly critical, so I'd probably find flaws in cars of those who claims to have a rattle free car, I just have an ear for it. I would think some things would have gotten better over 2 years of manufacturing, that's only normal for the industry. As for my paint, it didn't look bad, and might not have been "bad" paint, but I had some chipped paint right from the factory that needed to be fixed, I had some rather large rock chips, and the paint was so easily marred when very carefully doing badge removal, I was always leery about it, I didn't trust it. For me the biggest deal breaker was the rattles, and the fact the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix any, to me the warranty on that end was pretty useless, give me a crappy base model loaner car only to get my car back no better (sometimes worse) than what I started with. As for performance, the Stinger isn't slow, it just wasn't quite as quick as I wanted. Going to the track and validating it with lower than expect numbers was simply a disappointment. Undoubtedly the car is faster on the street. Who knows with the M240i, I will know shortly, but it should be in the 12's easily (some faster guys get 12.3 stock). If I get a 13, I guess I just am not destined to have a fast car lol.

Is my M240i perfect? Absolutely not, I've found some flaws, but the overall sportiness which is clearly more important to me overshadows all of them for now. I obviously wanted more of a sports car, not a GT, at this point in my life anyway.
 
Did the car get better over 2 years, yes and no. I've seen complaints on this forum for 2019's and 2020's with the same issues I had. I'm admittedly highly critical, so I'd probably find flaws in cars of those who claims to have a rattle free car, I just have an ear for it. I would think some things would have gotten better over 2 years of manufacturing, that's only normal for the industry. As for my paint, it didn't look bad, and might not have been "bad" paint, but I had some chipped paint right from the factory that needed to be fixed, I had some rather large rock chips, and the paint was so easily marred when very carefully doing badge removal, I was always leery about it, I didn't trust it. For me the biggest deal breaker was the rattles, and the fact the dealer couldn't/wouldn't fix any, to me the warranty on that end was pretty useless, give me a crappy base model loaner car only to get my car back no better (sometimes worse) than what I started with. As for performance, the Stinger isn't slow, it just wasn't quite as quick as I wanted. Going to the track and validating it with lower than expect numbers was simply a disappointment. Undoubtedly the car is faster on the street. Who knows with the M240i, I will know shortly, but it should be in the 12's easily (some faster guys get 12.3 stock). If I get a 13, I guess I just am not destined to have a fast car lol.

Is my M240i perfect? Absolutely not, I've found some flaws, but the overall sportiness which is clearly more important to me overshadows all of them for now. I obviously wanted more of a sports car, not a GT, at this point in my life anyway.
Inline 6 ; 6 sp manual.....nice.....I think if I'm looking 2dr tbh I'm more inclined to lean E class coupe or dream machine S class coupe.....the muscle car/2 dr sport car phase doesn't appeal to me nearly as much say 20-25 yrs ago..... when the kids started coming around.....I thought I'd gravitate towards Vettes but comfort outweighs performance for my beat up body!

You convey your thoughts very well my friend.
 
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Inline 6 ; 6 sp manual.....nice.....I think if I'm looking 2dr tbh I'm more inclined to lean E class coupe or dream machine S class coupe.....the muscle car/2 dr sport car phase doesn't appeal to me nearly as much say 20-25 yrs ago..... when the kids started coming around.....I thought I'd gravitate towards Vettes but comfort outweighs performance for my beat up body!

You convey your thoughts very well my friend.

Thanks. I actually was looking at Corvettes for a long time. The plan was to pick up a Corvette after owning the Mustang for "about 7 years" as the assumption was the car would be paid off, I would have some savings, 2 years of no car payments and some additional savings to then sell the Mustang and buy a 5 or so year old Corvette with cash. Obviously with continuing car payments and not keeping the Mustang, that hasn't happened. On the flip side, I know that GM quality usually isn't top notch as I have owned a few, so I would need to mentally prepare for a rattling and squeaking targa top!
 
TOO CLASSY!

No way, the AMG GT with its enormously long nose and pushed back cabin reminisces of the Jaguar E Type, not to mention totally overcompensating for a particular male appendage. But really, the AMG GT is one of my favorite modern cars to look at.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
No way, the AMG GT with its enormously long nose and pushed back cabin reminisces of the Jaguar E Type, not to mention totally overcompensating for a particular male appendage. But really, the AMG GT is one of my favorite modern cars to look at.

I see those actually as often as the Stinger.....I really have MB higher than the other 2 German manufacturers but price wise (new or CPO) weren't within the budget constrictions or would be outside warranty......the conundrum
 
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I am not personally a fan of Mercedes styling, too "classy" for me. But if I were to buy a Mercedes, here we go! (Dead sexy)

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The AMG GT 63 is my dream Merc. It's such an imposing car. Without the rear spoiler though.
 
Thanks. I actually was looking at Corvettes for a long time. The plan was to pick up a Corvette after owning the Mustang for "about 7 years" as the assumption was the car would be paid off, I would have some savings, 2 years of no car payments and some additional savings to then sell the Mustang and buy a 5 or so year old Corvette with cash. Obviously with continuing car payments and not keeping the Mustang, that hasn't happened. On the flip side, I know that GM quality usually isn't top notch as I have owned a few, so I would need to mentally prepare for a rattling and squeaking targa top!

If the squeaks and rattles in a modern Mustang drove you crazy, a Corvette would push you right over the edge.
 
I have been a Mopar owner for years. I kept holding onto my charger rt awd waiting for the update. I wanted awd and the HP. Since the update kept getting pushed off, I drove 45 minutes to test drive a used stinger gt2 awd and that is the only car I checked out. I was hooked after two half throttle launches in sport mode. I thought to myself wow this car is one of the best kept secrets in the auto world. Because of everyone here giving advice on how to get the best price on a new one, I was able to buy a new one and have no regrets.
I remember my first "new" car I bought myself. A 1974.5--yes he told me it was a 1974 AND A HALF-- dodge charger SE. Midnight blue, white quality pleather seat, a glovebox full of electronic ignition modules because "if it dont staarrt, switch out one-a-dem boxes, tap it a couple times with this here screwdriver and it'll start." When I said what if that doesn't work? He looked at me like I was an idiot and said, "that's why ya got all them in there, go grab anuthr" . This was March of 1988 and I had just received my first income tax check or had excess money after signing away on another college loan.

But enough of me and my intermission. Let's get back to the two stars of this post.......this is gettin' good...I'm still waiting for Jerry Springer/Steve Wilkos to pop on here and say the "DNA test is back and you are!(or are not)! The owner of that car! "
All said in good spirit everyone.
 
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