Warning signs buying used

[Volfy]

Gt2 new is out of my price range. I've driven both, and I can live with the gt-line, jb4 will numb the pain sufficiently.

Or learn how to have fun without gobs of HP/TQ. No doubt HP can be a hoot, but lots of driver's cars peg their fun-to-drive meter without excessive amounts of it.

 

[Deviate]

Rwd 273 at the wheels on a friends ride

 

[Deviate]

Or learn how to have fun without gobs of HP/TQ. No doubt HP can be a hoot, but lots of driver's cars peg their fun-to-drive meter without excessive amounts of it.

Hills and curves all day

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Hills and curves all day

aren't you in Florida? do you even know what a hill is?

 

[bfglitch]

aren't you in Florida? do you even know what a hill is?

I think they call those overpasses in FL.

Edit: Sorry...I meant everywhere else.

 

[Maljey]

Gt2 new is out of my price range. I've driven both, and I can live with the gt-line, jb4 will numb the pain sufficiently.

I went through the same thing when I got a 2019 V6 Camaro. If you read any forum or Youtube comment everyone will say you'll regret not getting the V8. I really didn't regret it. It also helped that I was coming from a 184hp mid sized sedan (Mazda 6), so the V6 Camaro was a rocket by comparison. The only reason I ended up trading in the Camaro was because I got a better paying job and I got tired of the limitations of the car for daily/practical use--which is why I didn't trade in for a V8 even though I could afford it now. I had no problem with the V6 performance at all. It's still faster than 90% of the cars on the road.

What's funny is that you really don't see the same comments on other cars to get the more powerful trim. I rarely see comments to WRX, Civic Si, Golf GTI, etc, owners that they will regret buying their cars and should spring for the more powerful version instead. You pretty much only see it with the American performance cars. Everyone compares the American V6/turbo 4 cars against their big brothers with V8s. They don't compare them against other cars in their own price range.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

I went through the same thing when I got a 2019 V6 Camaro. If you read any forum or Youtube comment everyone will say you'll regret not getting the V8. I really didn't regret it. It also helped that I was coming from a 184hp mid sized sedan (Mazda 6), so the V6 Camaro was a rocket by comparison. The only reason I ended up trading in the Camaro was because I got a better paying job and I got tired of the limitations of the car for daily/practical use--which is why I didn't trade in for a V8 even though I could afford it now. I had no problem with the V6 performance at all. It's still faster than 90% of the cars on the road.

What's funny is that you really don't see the same comments on other cars to get the more powerful trim. I rarely see comments to WRX, Civic Si, Golf GTI, etc, owners that they will regret buying their cars and should spring for the more powerful version instead. You pretty much only see it with the American performance cars. Everyone compares the American V6/turbo 4 cars against their big brothers with V8s. They don't compare them against other cars in their own price range.

its the same mentality as the people on here who say "should have got the 3.3" unironically

 

[Volfy]

Hills and curves all day

'Xactly! Far more satisfying when you know it's the driver that made the car go fast.

I think they call those overpasses in FL.

What most drivers call on/off ramps are basically skidpads to some of us.

I, unfortunately, live down here on the flat Gulf Coast, where the highest elevation change are the speed bumps at the local shopping center. Doesn't stop the adventurous ones from occasionally taking some corners "the right way" when traffic allows.

 

[Volfy]

I went through the same thing when I got a 2019 V6 Camaro. If you read any forum or Youtube comment everyone will say you'll regret not getting the V8. I really didn't regret it. It also helped that I was coming from a 184hp mid sized sedan (Mazda 6), so the V6 Camaro was a rocket by comparison. The only reason I ended up trading in the Camaro was because I got a better paying job and I got tired of the limitations of the car for daily/practical use--which is why I didn't trade in for a V8 even though I could afford it now. I had no problem with the V6 performance at all. It's still faster than 90% of the cars on the road.

What's funny is that you really don't see the same comments on other cars to get the more powerful trim. I rarely see comments to WRX, Civic Si, Golf GTI, etc, owners that they will regret buying their cars and should spring for the more powerful version instead. You pretty much only see it with the American performance cars. Everyone compares the American V6/turbo 4 cars against their big brothers with V8s. They don't compare them against other cars in their own price range.

You know what Randy Pobst bought when he went shopping for a Camaro? A 2.0T 1LE!

Jay Leno, Randy Pobst and a 4-cylinder Camaro drive into a bar.

Jay Leno, Randy Pobst and a 4-cylinder Camaro drive into a bar.

grassrootsmotorsports.com

If you're a driver of Pobst's caliber... no need for gorilla chest pounding.

 

[Deviate]

aren't you in Florida? do you even know what a hill is?

Yes....I lived just outside philly for a long time. Been all over up there. Hell i make a yearly run to upstate NY too. Then i used to run the Ga. mountains when i lived in Atl. Ive driven the Hollywood hills and the socal stuff. Up the Ca. coast too. Does that help?

But yes Fl is flat all day long

 

[Deviate]

'Xactly! Far more satisfying when you know it's the driver that made the car go fast.


What most drivers call on/off ramps are basically skidpads to some of us.

I, unfortunately, live down here on the flat Gulf Coast, where the highest elevation change are the speed bumps at the local shopping center. Doesn't stop the adventurous ones from occasionally taking some corners "the right way" when traffic allows.

Wait...where you at?

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Yes....I lived just outside philly for a long time. Been all over up there. Hell i make a yearly run to upstate NY too. Then i used to run the Ga. mountains when i lived in Atl. Ive driven the Hollywood hills and the socal stuff. Up the Ca. coast too. Does that help?

But yes Fl is flat all day long

alright you pass the hill check

 

[Volfy]

Wait...where you at?

Across the mud pool from ya... Houston.

Texas Hill Country is only a few hours away. I was actually supposed to be riding to The Three Sisters this weekend... like right now. Riding buddy had a hang-up last minute, so we'll try again this Fall. We used to do it twice a year, but that got interrupted by the Pandemic, and we just now started to try again.

 

[Snicklefritz]

Although, the refresh 2022-2023 2.5 has like 300hp now I believe. Obviously it would feel slower, how much slower, not sure.

I can share a comparison. we have a 2.0l premium with all the bells and whistles. and a gt1 3.3l. the 2.0l punches above its weight and does not feel underpowered at all. what the 3.3l does effortlessly, the 2.0l requires more throttle to achieve 90% of the same results. the 2.5l will be closer in feel to the 3.3l of course.

 

[Maljey]

You know what Randy Probst bought when he went shopping for a Camaro? A 2.0T 1LE!

Jay Leno, Randy Pobst and a 4-cylinder Camaro drive into a bar.

Jay Leno, Randy Pobst and a 4-cylinder Camaro drive into a bar.

grassrootsmotorsports.com

If you're a driver of Probst's caliber... no need for gorilla chest pounding.

Yep! Unfortunately Chevy discontinued the 1LE packages on the turbo 4 and V6 Camaros a couple years ago. However, you can still order a V6/I4 Camaro with very similar options if you want. You can still get the Brembos, extra cooling, and exhaust. The only missing pieces are the bigger rear summer tires and the base suspension from the Camaro SS.

By most accounts, the tires that came on the V6/I4 1LE were overkill for the amount of power the cars made. Even then, that's an easy upgrade. The suspension from the SS is the non-magnetic ride, fixed suspension. I don't think that's a tough upgrade either, but who knows. The I4 and V6 are both great cars with their base suspension anyway.

It wasn't until very recently where there were other performance cars in the I4 and V6 price range that were comparable. The Camaros pretty much stomped everything, especially pre-Covid when you could get them in the low to mid 20K range. They were putting up better performance numbers on all season tires versus some competitors (price-wise) on summer tires. Even now they are still a good bargain for new performance cars, although the new BRZ/GR86, and Elantra N have narrowed the gap in that price range. The 1LE cars still hold very good records in Car and Driver's Lightening Lap.

Still if you want something new with RWD there is a very short list of performance cars in that price range. That's mainly what I looked at when I got my Camaro. What new RWD cars, with good performance, could I get in the mid 20K to 30K range?

 

[Sæmi]

I wouldn't buy a car like a Stinger used (unless expecting issues/ready for potential major issues/can turn a wrench).

Few owners baby them.

I'm hurting my own vehicle's resale posting that on the intrawebs, but it doesn't change its truthiness.

I bought mine from a dealership that struggled to move its only Stinger - it had 29000km on it and 2 years when I rescued it

I knew it had been beaten and battered by both the dealership’s employees as well as curious “potential” customers coming by to test drive the sh&@ out of it - but I got an amazing deal on the car

2 years later I know just about everything about my car, and I baby the crap out of it daily

I clean it inside and out 2-3 times weekly and I only rev the engine once it is at working temperature. I change the oil and filter every 10k, have a great relationship with my local KIA dealer and they take great pride in servicing the 2.0 GT-Line.

I bought and installed the Injen air intake early in my ownership and love the cold start sound from the intake it also sounds amazing in sport mode with just-the-right-amount of throttle

My Stinger 2.0 looks amazing with Dual Big Mouth

“LIT KIT" Ram Air Intake Snorkels​

I will continue to baby the crap out of this artwork of a car - driving it is an amazing experience every day and I love taking it out for a spin

Drive safe and enjoy life!

 

[Volfy]

Yep! Unfortunately Chevy discontinued the 1LE packages on the turbo 4 and V6 Camaros a couple years ago. However, you can still order a V6/I4 Camaro with very similar options if you want. You can still get the Brembos, extra cooling, and exhaust. The only missing pieces are the bigger rear summer tires and the base suspension from the Camaro SS.

By most accounts, the tires that came on the V6/I4 1LE were overkill for the amount of power the cars made. Even then, that's an easy upgrade. The suspension from the SS is the non-magnetic ride, fixed suspension. I don't think that's a tough upgrade either, but who knows. The I4 and V6 are both great cars with their base suspension anyway.

It wasn't until very recently where there were other performance cars in the I4 and V6 price range that were comparable. The Camaros pretty much stomped everything, especially pre-Covid when you could get them in the low to mid 20K range. They were putting up better performance numbers on all season tires versus some competitors (price-wise) on summer tires. Even now they are still a good bargain for new performance cars, although the new BRZ/GR86, and Elantra N have narrowed the gap in that price range. The 1LE cars still hold very good records in Car and Driver's Lightening Lap.

Still if you want something new with RWD there is a very short list of performance cars in that price range. That's mainly what I looked at when I got my Camaro. What new RWD cars, with good performance, could I get in the mid 20K to 30K range?

Yeah, about the only thing I would want in the 1LE package, which cannot be gotten by optioning is the electronic LSD. It is a rather nice piece of kit, above and beyond what a plain mechanical LSD like on Stinger/G70 is capable of. I agree the 1LE tire/wheel package is way over the top and the 20" sizing is not even best for performance. The 650HP supercharged ZL1 1LE actually downsizes to 19" sizes for absolute track performance, because 19"s are just large enough to fit over the humongous brakes of the 1LE package, while keeping unsprung weight to a reasonable minimum.

It's the same way with the 19" staggered setup on the Stinger/G70 being sub-optimum. The stock Brembos are nowhere large enough to need 19's. Kia/Genesis would have been better off downsizing to 18's instead. But just like a lot of things related to cars, performance car buyers don't always think logically. A lot of buying preferences are based more on vanity and testosterone than what actually works best. Mfrs too often have to cater to the chest-pounders... because they do buy a crap load of performance cars.

 

[Maljey]

Yeah, about the only thing I would want in the 1LE package, which cannot be gotten by optioning is the electronic LSD (Limited Slip Differential). It is a rather nice piece of kit, above and beyond what a plain mechanical LSD (Limited Slip Differential) like on Stinger/G70 is capable of. I agree the 1LE tire/wheel package is way over the top and the 20" sizing is not even best for performance. The 650HP supercharged ZL1 1LE actually downsizes to 19" sizes for absolute track performance, because 19"s are just large enough to fit over the humongous brakes of the 1LE package, while keeping unsprung weight to a reasonable minimum.

It's the same way with the 19" staggered setup on the Stinger/G70 being sub-optimum. The stock Brembos are nowhere large enough to need 19's. Kia/Genesis would have been better off downsizing to 18's instead. But just like a lot of things related to cars, performance car buyers don't always think logically. A lot of buying preferences are based more on vanity and testosterone than what actually works best. Mfrs too often have to cater to the chest-pounders... because they do buy a crap load of performance cars.

For the turbo 4 and V6 Camaro, they didn't even get the e-LSD in the 1LE package. They just got the mechanical LSD. I believe its the same mechanical LSD that comes with the base models of the turbo 4 and V6. The base models get an LSD with the manual transmissions only.

 

[nhcowboy28]

Black light the seats……

 

[LordKOTL]

Black light the seats……

You gave me the visual of that old cartoon, "Drawn Together" when they black light the living room and they have an entire barnyard show up to show how disgusting it was. I just pictured someone blacklighting a Stinger and a similar ridiculous thing happens to how filthy it is. Thanks for the laugh!