Kill Tally

[Dr_jitsu]

Just got back from a little "grocery run in Mexico". This car does so many things well. It is not a roll on monster but it is always in the power band pretty much everywhere. What it needs is more top end and that will come with bigger turbos and everything that goes with that. All that is a few years away. It is neither a pure sport or luxury car but is a nice balance between the two. True GT. I was trying to line up against another 6.2 Hemi but before we could go we spotted a cop car up ahead and both shut down.

I had a Porsche GT2, AMG C63 and an M3 fully built and supercharged to 644 rwhp. I always said The Japanese, and especially Americans make cars to sell to people. The Germans make a car that they themselves want to drive. As I spend more time with this car I say the same thing. This car was made by people who like to drive cars.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Cars must have at least 1000 whp to even get in the game around here. TT Lambos are putting down more than 1700, GTR's 1500. That junkyard build is going to put 10 bus lengths on a Stinger.

The Stinger is an absolutely fantastic all around car, I love mine, but lets not venture into fantasy land. Most of the "Kills" described here are situations where the other car was not even in a race, they are ricer fly by's.

Now, does this motor have potential? Absolutely, but 300 whp does not get you into the game if you are over 16 years old. Most roll on racing here has moved onto old airfields as the cars are just too powerful for the street. To be invited you must make a min of 1000 whp. My 800 did not even get me into the game. Furthermore, with less than 1200 you will be immediately walked and out.

Check out something called The Supra Nationals.

The greatest potential here is the fact that these motors make full power way down in the rev range, very different from say the Supra inline 6. I can drive this car in my sleep.

The power range is insanely broad and the torque is excellent. But those numbers need to be over 500 (and not flywheel) before we start talking fast.

That's the kind of answer I like. Thanks for the detail. So, a Dodge Demon is a baby car compared to the "big boys". Perspective is everything. A "big fish" is still a teensy little monster if a Killer Whale scoops him up.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

A Demon would need extensive mods and probably a 200 shot. Also, this is not 1/4 mile racing. The Stinger is a launch machine, even a mediocre drag racer like me gets out fast. In March cars come from around the world to do the roll on racing.....all the Saudi Oil money guys and others who can afford dropping $350 k on a full Underground Racing build making 1700 whp with fast PDK shifting.

By then, it was over for me. I had a rep as a formabably street racer but I mo longer had the money to stay in the game.

You would have track racing during the day, meets at night, then street racing after midnight. As cars started making more than 1000 k horsepower it just became too dangerous for the street. Supras, initially the best roll on cars, were making over 1400 and that car wants to kill you. Nothing to save your ass like the cars today have. The Porsche GT2 had no electronic nannies like traction control to save your ass. Vipers.....these cars wanted to kill you.

The guy you saw me racing...his name is Jamie Carter, he would trailer/fly anywhere in the country just for a street race. Here is one of his Supras running a 7.88: jamie carter supra - Yahoo Video Search Results

 

[Dr_jitsu]

On the Airfield roll on racing 2 cars paired up and they rolled out at around 50 mph or so and then at a set point hit it, racing to the 3/4 mile mark. There is also the Texas Mile. These cars are breaking 240 mph in the mile. I could no longer afford to compete with these cars.

I was looking at Mustang, the Dodge Hemi, or the Camaro. Those cars are all faster than the Stinger, and the Camero is "holy shit" on the track. However none of those cars come close to delivering the all around car you get with the Stinger, especially for the money.

However, I don't think it is necessary to say "for the money" every time we mention the Stinger. Assuming it is as reliable as my Hyundai Equus was it is an excellent car, period.

It bears repeating, the Koreans are not playing.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Supras, initially the best roll on cars, were making over 1400 and that car wants to kill you.

Yes, your video links demonstrate a barely controlled killer. The life "expectancy" of such an engine, what is it?

The third video, I think, Carter literally made the other driver look like he was standing still.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

It will be interesting to see what the tuners do with this motor. There is a well know supra tuner here in Houston, Tommy Bahn. He does good work. His Supra made over 1700. I am interested to see what he could do with the Stinger 3.3. Has anyone cracked the ecu yet?

 

[Manaz]

There's a fair bit of work been done on decoding the ECU, yes...

 

[19GT-AWD]

You guys and your 1000+ hp cars. lol

On my cruises I usually see family laden SUV's, economy sedans, and the like.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I don't know that I have ever laid eyes on a 1000+ HP engine; I've never been to a drag strip in my life. I read about exotica in the HP department, but the most expensive, powerful car I've seen in the flesh was a LA Ferrari: not quite 1000 HP.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Houston is the roll on capital of the world. Car culture plus laws that make it easy to get around emission standards. To get a sticker on my GT2 they would just hook directly into the ecu and read. Places like CA they measure you at the exhaust. We have 93 Octane gas and massive 5 lane highways. Everytime I would head out I would run into someone who wanted to challenge me.

I tend to be a bit of an environmentalist as well a car enthusiast, so I have mixed feelings about the laws here but it is a perfect recipe for a high HP culture.

 

[19GT-AWD]

I don't know that I have ever laid eyes on a 1000+ HP engine; I've never been to a drag strip in my life ...

I spent decades at the drags, seen many high hp engines.

None of them, I'm sure, that were still under warranty.

 

[MerlintheMad]

We have 93 Octane gas and massive 5 lane highways. Everytime I would head out I would run into someone who wanted to challenge me.

Now that's a drag strip. Watch out for the "White Knights".

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Those days are over. 12 years ago they widened the highway but this area has exploded, so there is too much traffic now. You can do a lot of spirited 0 to 80 driving but no more 40 to 160. These cars are fastest down low. I am enjoying this car.

 

[Mr GT-2]

Cool! I got the same mod only missing is CatBack Exhaust. What map you running?

I run map 2 or 3 during regular driving but if i know it's about to go down I'll switch to map 5 if i have the time and map 7 or 8 @ the track

 

[MIGULZZ]

I lost to a early 2000s S10...

 

[ZyroXZ2]

By this guy's token of nothing below 1000+HP being fast, then y'all need to start racing against top fuel dragsters...

Oh wait, none of the cars you listed are "fast".

Also, I'm pretty sure I lost hearing trying to listen to one without ear plugs... just once, it was amazing, tho.

 

[Regs120]

For the steets a nicely tuned HP to torque ratio set up with a good beefy low-to-mid curve and a good fading higher rpm arch is all you need. After that you're just wasting gas. Street cars is all about the gearing and how it can take advantage of the horsepower. Maybe that's why some Mustang GT owners complain about feeling slow but they are really not - because all the acceleration is in the upper RPMs where 460 hp (x7k-8k rpm) is pretty damn fast but you don't get many chances to use it.

I had this car for 3 months solid and no one really challenged it. Just a guy with a 2014 Acura and a beefed up 2015 Ford heavy duty try to keep up with me but were left in the dust at dangerous speeds I never want to repeat. To add, it's damn near impossible to do anything on the streets in central NJ. 2:00am and there is traffic on my roads or cops. I am sure there are a few who would like to challenge it, but where I live the opportunity just does not exist unless you are on the track.

 

[washguy]

Why is it that those doggone pick ups wanna race from every stoplight? Wash

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Getting power out of a high reving inline 6 like the Supra is simply a matter of staying in the powerband of 5 to 9k rpms. It takes skill and the ability to utilize a manual. This car is different, it makes power everywhere although it dies off at higher rpms. In a few years when bigger turbos have found their way onto these motors you will find more up top. In the meantime if you want to live in a fantasy land that is up to you.

Great car, killer from the dig but not a roll on titan.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Getting power out of a high reving inline 6 like the Supra is simply a matter of staying in the powerband of 5 to 9k rpms. It takes skill and the ability to utilize a manual. This car is different, it makes power everywhere although it dies off at higher rpms. In a few years when bigger turbos have found their way onto these motors you will find more up top. In the meantime if you want to live in a fantasy land that is up to you.

Great car, killer from the dig but not a roll on titan.

I'm starting to a lose a sense of who anything you're saying is aimed at. If you think this forum/thread is full of people who don't know there are faster cars, you likely are projecting something.

On the flipside, if you think you're dropping a dose of reality, you might want to get your Stinger modded a little more. Despite the tiny turbos, there's quite a bit left up top (to my surprise) once you really let it breath and get the boost up. You're not realizing how many Stingers are pulling 440+WHP on bolt-ons with many of the top ones pulling 470+WHP by adding meth. LAP3 already has a 590WHP turbo swapped Stinger dialed down from 620WHP (I'm betting they were hitting a limitation or broke something, lmao), and that happened within a year of the car coming out. High 11s is becoming "common" for medium modded Stingers, and I have no doubt that LAP3's Stinger would be low 11s if they actually cared about drag racing or even just racing in general rather than focusing on power.

Another year or so, and there will likely be a Stinger in the high 10s as stuff breaks, and then people start doing aggressive mods like the underground street scene you're talking about in which there isn't much engine/drivetrain stuff left from the factory as things all get swapped out to handle more boost with bigger turbos on a beefed up tranny to handle 1000HP. Just because the car isn't there, yet, doesn't mean people are delusional. Remember: if you have money, you can make any car fast. You're not humbling anybody out, here: you're just trying to be a killjoy for no good reason.