Drag/Acceleration Kia Stinger 0-60 MPH Times

[General_Vodka]

Octane vs. Horsepower - Separating fact from myth in the debate over which fuel makes more power - NASA Speed News Magazine

"Another way to look at octane is that a lower octane number has a faster burn rate. It has a better ability to expel energy faster. A higher octane fuel slows the wave front of the combustion flame and raises the temperature at which combustion occurs."

Run the highest octane possible. Running 87 is like driving in the winter without snow tires. Its dumb and no one believes you when you say that your doing fine.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Run the highest octane possible. Running 87 is like driving in the winter without snow tires. Its dumb and no one believes you when you say that your doing fine.

Such a strong statement followed by the evidence you have provided must make it true..

 

[ZedsGT]

Such a strong statement followed by the evidence you have provided must make it true..

Don't spread mis information backed up by totally irrelevant articles.

 

[Travis Wills]

Not sure what upsets me more the 87 octane or the windbooster....

I used the 87 Octane simply to show that it doesn’t matter with a 100% stock car AND cooler temperatures. If you make any modifications at all to the car or if you are in warmer weather then higher Octane can be necessary. However, in this instance my best 0-60 mph time(4.59) with a 100% stock RWD GT2 was achieved with both 87 Octane and 93 Octane. The factory snorkels will actually be the limiting factor there.

I tried the same test with a few minor modifications and no tune and the 87 still could only achieve 4.59. I got 4.37 with the 93 Octane then.

As far as the WindBooster goes. It simply works for the extremely specific need I had. It helps with auto hold launches.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Don't spread mis information backed up by totally irrelevant articles.

The relevance is that his car has capped ignition timing and I think the 3.3T also has capped ignition in stock form. You could put 1000 octane in the Stinger and the car will dyno 365HP give or take. I've read several articles that say lower octane fuels are more volatile and have a faster flame propagation, which potentially means more power *if* the engine doesn't see knock and pull timing. This would typically occur in lower ambient temperatures. Measuring with the Dragy is valid because over lots of runs, it seems to be fairly consistent that 87 in cooler temps is quicker. Why not entertain the idea, at least in theory... We can debate and share knowledge but why the attacks?

 

[Travis Wills]

The relevance is that his car has capped ignition timing and I think the 3.3T also has capped ignition in stock form. You could put 1000 octane in the Stinger and the car will dyno 365HP give or take. I've read several articles that say lower octane fuels are more volatile and have a faster flame propagation, which potentially means more power *if* the engine doesn't see knock and pull timing. This would typically occur in lower ambient temperatures. Measuring with the Dragy is valid because over lots of runs, it seems to be fairly consistent that 87 in cooler temps is quicker. Why not entertain the idea, at least in theory... We can debate and share knowledge but why the attacks?

Lower Octane fuels don’t necessarily have a faster flame propagation. Even if they did it wouldn’t necessarily make more power because of that. There is an optimal point for ignition and you can’t get better than that. You can achieve that optimal ignition with 87 or 93 or 100+ Octane in a 100% stock Stinger in the right conditions.

I have tested it extensively. 87 Octane does not make the Stinger faster in ANY situations. However, it is possible to achieve the same performance with 87 Octane as with 93 Octane as long as the conditions allow it.

91+ Octane will always guarantee optimal performance with a 100% stock car but most people would be surprised how often 87 Octane will actually give you the same results too.

If you modify the car at all then all bets are off. You should run at least 93 Octane even with the simplest modifications if ultimate performance is your goal.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Lower Octane fuels don’t necessarily have a faster flame propagation. Even if they did it wouldn’t necessarily make more power because of that. There is an optimal point for ignition and you can’t get better than that. You can achieve that optimal ignition with 87 or 93 or 100+ Octane in a 100% stock Stinger in the right conditions.

I have tested it extensively. 87 Octane does not make the Stinger faster in ANY situations. However, it is possible to achieve the same performance with 87 Octane as with 93 Octane as long as the conditions allow it.

91+ Octane will always guarantee optimal performance with a 100% stock car but most people would be surprised how often 87 Octane will actually give you the same results too.

If you modify the car at all then all bets are off. You should run at least 93 Octane even with the simplest modifications if ultimate performance is your goal.

Fair comments and thanks for being nice about it. Check out this article and give me your thoughts.

Combustion Basics: How Does Fuel Make a Difference?

 

[I Stung U]

My best 2 runs with a DR Drag Racer app on my phone.. don't know how accurate it is, but best times I got with it are:

0-10 in 0.6
0-20 in 1.2
0-30 in 1.8
0-40 in 2.6
0-50 in 3.5
0-60 in 4.5 seconds a
and 12.9 sec 1/4 mile at 111 mph

and I had one with 12.8 @ 108mph,
but the times before that were a bit worse than my best above, so either it doesn't work well, or I had a bit of a worse start, slip and then grip and took the fck off better and made up for it ?

 

[ZedsGT]

This idea isn't even entertaining though; Somebody new to perform cars should not be misled into thinking 87 octane is going to make them go faster.

The relevance is that his car has capped ignition timing and I think the 3.3T also has capped ignition in stock form. You could put 1000 octane in the Stinger and the car will dyno 365HP give or take. I've read several articles that say lower octane fuels are more volatile and have a faster flame propagation, which potentially means more power *if* the engine doesn't see knock and pull timing. This would typically occur in lower ambient temperatures. Measuring with the Dragy is valid because over lots of runs, it seems to be fairly consistent that 87 in cooler temps is quicker. Why not entertain the idea, at least in theory... We can debate and share knowledge but why the attacks?

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

I feel like there is a lot of trolling in this thread the last few pages lmfao!

 

[ZedsGT]

The shift to 3rd is so stupid

 

[ZedsGT]

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

Those are pretty solid numbers there amigo!!

 

[StungBlueGT2]

The relevance is that his car has capped ignition timing and I think the 3.3T also has capped ignition in stock form. You could put 1000 octane in the Stinger and the car will dyno 365HP give or take. I've read several articles that say lower octane fuels are more volatile and have a faster flame propagation, which potentially means more power *if* the engine doesn't see knock and pull timing. This would typically occur in lower ambient temperatures. Measuring with the Dragy is valid because over lots of runs, it seems to be fairly consistent that 87 in cooler temps is quicker. Why not entertain the idea, at least in theory... We can debate and share knowledge but why the attacks?

There are tons on discussions and evidence that our Stingers perform better on 93 in other threads and this topic doesn’t need to continue on this 0-60 thread.

That said, our manuals state that using anything below premium fuel will likely decrease power and fuel economy. Fine print states that our engines only achieve 365hp using premium fuel. Ours and many other modern, boosted, ECU adapted ignition timing engines lose 5-10% power using lower octane fuels. Auto manufacturers, car magazines, and dyno shops have all shown and proven that.

Your statements and sources may apply to other engines, but there is too much proof that our 3.3tt and similar boosted engines were designed and perform best on high octane premium fuels.

 

[2swoosh]

Good to see these cars is in the 4s! great daily driver!

 

[G70 Owner]

Good to see these cars is in the 4s! great daily driver!

you mean 3's? 4s are stockish

 

[Travis Wills]

There are tons on discussions and evidence that our Stingers perform better on 93 in other threads and this topic doesn’t need to continue on this 0-60 thread.

That said, our manuals state that using anything below premium fuel will likely decrease power and fuel economy. Fine print states that our engines only achieve 365hp using premium fuel. Ours and many other modern, boosted, ECU adapted ignition timing engines lose 5-10% power using lower octane fuels. Auto manufacturers, car magazines, and dyno shops have all shown and proven that.

Your statements and sources may apply to other engines, but there is too much proof that our 3.3tt and similar boosted engines were designed and perform best on high octane premium fuels.

Some of what you have said is accurate. However, Kia and all companies for that matter don’t say that their cars WILL get lower performance or fuel economy with lower Octane. Instead they say or at least imply that the cars may get lower performance or fuel economy in certain conditions.

The truth is that IATs affect knock tremendously. Those IATs can vary a lot as well. I have seen as high as 150 degrees while idling at the track but as low as 40 degrees while doing rolling pulls in near freezing temps.

If you want to absolutely guarantee that the car will perform at its maximum then by all means use the highest octane gas possible. However, if the Stinger is truly 100% stock and the IATs are very low then even 87 Octane gas will produce the same results as 93 Octane gas. I ran my best 100% stock 0-60 mph(4.59) with 87 Octane in cooler temps.

However, once I just simply replaced the stock snorkel I could go much faster but only when I put 93 Octane in. I tried 87 Octane with the new snorkel and I still could only get 4.59. With the mod and 93 I was able to get down to 4.37.

Temperature really really matters. As much as Octane matters. The manufacturers have to account for the car being used in extreme temperatures and that is why they have to recommend 91+ Octane. They have to cover their bases no matter what conditions you use it in.

Originally they only recommended 87+ for the Stinger but they changed it because it could pull timing in certain extremely warm conditions.

 

[Intelliburn]

I feel like there is a lot of trolling in this thread the last few pages lmfao!

You aren’t kidding man.

 

[ZedsGT]

Some of what you have said is accurate. However, Kia and all companies for that matter don’t say that their cars WILL get lower performance or fuel economy with lower Octane. Instead they say or at least imply that the cars may get lower performance or fuel economy in certain conditions.

The truth is that IATs affect knock tremendously. Those IATs can vary a lot as well. I have seen as high as 150 degrees while idling at the track but as low as 40 degrees while doing rolling pulls in near freezing temps.

If you want to absolutely guarantee that the car will perform at its maximum then by all means use the highest octane gas possible. However, if the Stinger is truly 100% stock and the IATs are very low then even 87 Octane gas will produce the same results as 93 Octane gas. I ran my best 100% stock 0-60 mph(4.59) with 87 Octane in cooler temps.

However, once I just simply replaced the stock snorkel I could go much faster but only when I put 93 Octane in. I tried 87 Octane with the new snorkel and I still could only get 4.59. With the mod and 93 I was able to get down to 4.37.

Temperature really really matters. As much as Octane matters. The manufacturers have to account for the car being used in extreme temperatures and that is why they have to recommend 91+ Octane. They have to cover their bases no matter what conditions you use it in.

Originally they only recommended 87+ for the Stinger but they changed it because it could pull timing in certain extremely warm conditions.

Comparing dragy results means nothing. I've had 0-60 dragy results vary as much as .40 within the same minute, on the same exact stretch of road.
So if it's a cool day is Ferrari putting 87 in their cars because "Ef it the cool air will keep is from knocking"

 

[Travis Wills]

Comparing dragy results means nothing. I've had 0-60 dragy results vary as much as .40 within the same minute, on the same exact stretch of road.
So if it's a cool day is Ferrari putting 87 in their cars because "Ef it the cool air will keep is from knocking"

Yea, no. My dragy has never shown any more than about .04 seconds difference between it and my drag slips.

No, the Ferrari requires premium fuel. The Stinger doesn’t require premium fuel and at one point Kia only recommended 87 Octane or greater for the Stinger.

There is a GIGANTIC difference between the two cars you are comparing. The Stinger is actually made to run on 87 Octane in a wide range of conditions and get full advertised power and torque as well as gas mileage. There are a few scenarios where it may not achieve those numbers without greater Octane fuel. That is why they have to recommend premium fuel now.

The Ferrari is not designed to run on low Octane fuel EVER. There are times that higher Octane fuel is more beneficial for that car but it just isn’t the same thing as the Stinger.