it's starting to happen, is this the future for the Stinger? Volvo S60

[Doel]

I made a thread awhile back about how I wanted the Stinger to become a plug in hybrid in the future. I thought it would be a few years before we would start seeing performance hybrids at reasonable prices, I was wrong, it looks like the future is today! While all the details on the 2019 S60 haven't been revealed yet, what we do know is that the new S60 T8 Polestar comes with a turbo & supercharged 2.0 4 banger with an electric engine putting out a total of 415 hp and 494 lb/ft, all battery range is somewhere between 20-30 miles, curb weight somewhere around 4,000-4,300, and an MSRP around $60k US.

Imagine a similar Stinger with the 3.3TT pushing over 450 hp and somewhere around 550 lb/ft, with 30+ miles of all electric range and better highway fuel economy after that. I don't know about you guys, but my least favorite thing with the Stinger is sitting in traffic while getting 18 MPG, which unfortunately is an hour and a half of my time in the Stinger, 5 days a week. Of course you might pay those gas savings back in new tires because that thing would roast them, especially with the addition of all that low end electric torque.

How much more would you guys pay for a Stinger "GTE" if it was available as an additional trim right now with the above specs? Would you even consider it at all?

 

[MerlintheMad]

I don't want electric. I don't need electric. I'm retired. No need to negotiate unremitting rush hour traffic (I do get caught but it is sporadic, even rare). I want FUN when I drive. Now more than ever I want my car to reflect what I love about driving; and electric has nada to do with that. In fact, so strongly do I feel this way, that if I had been presented with the Stinger as it is, or a CHEAPER "GTE", I'd have paid more to keep the electric crap off of it! I'm not sure how much more I'd have paid to buy the "uncontaminated" version.

 

[Waynerm002]

I would take a hybrid or PHEV Stinger if it cost less than the GT2. A 2.5T engine with a battery system, would be a nice middle ground with great performance and range. I’ll probably go take an S60 out for a spin this weekend, noticed my dealer has 7 listed, just hope they have one in stock to drive. Personally I would go for a PHEV V60 or even the CC version.

 

[Jimmer]

I don't want electric. I don't need electric. I'm retired. No need to negotiate unremitting rush hour traffic (I do get caught but it is sporadic, even rare). I want FUN when I drive. Now more than ever I want my car to reflect what I love about driving; and electric has nada to do with that. In fact, so strongly do I feel this way, that if I had been presented with the Stinger as it is, or a CHEAPER "GTE", I'd have paid more to keep the electric crap off of it! I'm not sure how much more I'd have paid to buy the "uncontaminated" version.

This is the first vehicle in years that makes me want to just go and drive for hours...going nowhere in particular and for nothing in particular.

 

[Jimmer]

I made a thread awhile back about how I wanted the Stinger to become a plug in hybrid in the future. I thought it would be a few years before we would start seeing performance hybrids at reasonable prices, I was wrong, it looks like the future is today! While all the details on the 2019 S60 haven't been revealed yet, what we do know is that the new S60 T8 Polestar comes with a turbo & supercharged 2.0 4 banger with an electric engine putting out a total of 415 hp and 494 lb/ft, all battery range is somewhere between 20-30 miles, curb weight somewhere around 4,000-4,300, and an MSRP around $60k US.

Imagine a similar Stinger with the 3.3TT pushing over 450 hp and somewhere around 550 lb/ft, with 30+ miles of all electric range and better highway fuel economy after that. I don't know about you guys, but my least favorite thing with the Stinger is sitting in traffic while getting 18 MPG, which unfortunately is an hour and a half of my time in the Stinger, 5 days a week. Of course you might pay those gas savings back in new tires because that thing would roast them, especially with the addition of all that low end electric torque.

How much more would you guys pay for a Stinger "GTE" if it was available as an additional trim right now with the above specs? Would you even consider it at all?

Zero dollars and zero cents. I will never get an electric car, unless that's all we have in the future and my gas vehicles die and I can't get a gas vehicle anymore.

 

[POS VETT]

I'll pass.

 

[ibmaxx]

The future is now with the Stinger and it was yesterday with the Volvo. See what Volvo produced ever so briefly before they went with crap electric and that gas guzzling 2.0 liter motor with fuel consumption barely better than this, my other car a Volvo s60 with 3.0 liter turbo I-6



Kia have the recipe already and they just need to keep cooking well. Must confess they are not quite at the level Volvo were when they produced this beast.

 

[CaliSting]

Partially reason for shake up at Hyundai. They are lagging behind in development of cars designed to be hybrids and electrics. Some retro fit combustion engine cars but hardly earth shaking progress. All big euro car companies coming out with new gen electrics and hybrids that will blow all away. Even new Porsche 911 designed with hybrid in mind. It’s the future.

Porsche Taycan is going to blow a hole in Tesla sales. They already have 20,000 reservations for first model year and Porsche is increasing production plans to make even more.

Kia is starting to look Stone Age .

 

[MerlintheMad]

Kia is starting to look Stone Age .

And there it is on the last line. So predictable. "The power to surprise" will catch you more than most. That's my guess.

 

[CaliSting]

More accurately ...There is no Substitute!

 

[MerlintheMad]

I don't think that Kia has any intention of taking on Porsche at any level in the foreseeable future. That is no surprise.

 

[SEA Stinger]

I made a thread awhile back about how I wanted the Stinger to become a plug in hybrid in the future. I thought it would be a few years before we would start seeing performance hybrids at reasonable prices, I was wrong, it looks like the future is today! While all the details on the 2019 S60 haven't been revealed yet, what we do know is that the new S60 T8 Polestar comes with a turbo & supercharged 2.0 4 banger with an electric engine putting out a total of 415 hp and 494 lb/ft, all battery range is somewhere between 20-30 miles, curb weight somewhere around 4,000-4,300, and an MSRP around $60k US.

Imagine a similar Stinger with the 3.3TT pushing over 450 hp and somewhere around 550 lb/ft, with 30+ miles of all electric range and better highway fuel economy after that. I don't know about you guys, but my least favorite thing with the Stinger is sitting in traffic while getting 18 MPG, which unfortunately is an hour and a half of my time in the Stinger, 5 days a week. Of course you might pay those gas savings back in new tires because that thing would roast them, especially with the addition of all that low end electric torque.

How much more would you guys pay for a Stinger "GTE" if it was available as an additional trim right now with the above specs? Would you even consider it at all?

I "prefer":
o analog controls over digital
o 8-track tapes over streaming music
o incandescent light bulbs over LEDs
o tube TVs over flat screens
o coal-fired power over renewable energy
o landline phones over mobile phones
o snail-mail over email
o gutta-percha over urethane-covered golf balls
o leeches over modern medicine
o divisive lies over "fake news"
o manual transmissions over automatics
o carburetors over fuel injection

Not!

If and when KIA offers a hybrid or eventually an all-electric Stinger, I will definitely be interested in buying one. I recall reading somewhere that the Stinger platform was designed to facilitate future electric versions.

However, PEV and EV vehicles today are significantly more expensive than manufacturers' comparable gas-powered models. Hopefully this will change before too long, as the mechanicals on EVs are much simpler than modern internal combustion engine vehicles.

 

[westcoastGT]

Partially reason for shake up at Hyundai. They are lagging behind in development of cars designed to be hybrids and electrics. Some retro fit combustion engine cars but hardly earth shaking progress. All big euro car companies coming out with new gen electrics and hybrids that will blow all away. Even new Porsche 911 designed with hybrid in mind. It’s the future.

Porsche Taycan is going to blow a hole in Tesla sales. They already have 20,000 reservations for first model year and Porsche is increasing production plans to make even more.

Kia is starting to look Stone Age .

.............dude , dude , dude , looking like a nimrod now !! take your sorry butt and leave , you're getting a bit pathetic now

 

[Stinger GT SS]

More accurately ...There is no Substitute!

You know there’s probably a Porsche Forum, oh wait you do & you rave about the wonderment & advancements of Kia to the Porsche masses I’m guessing.....

 

[brancky3]

I don't know about you guys, but my least favorite thing with the Stinger is sitting in traffic while getting 18 MPG, which unfortunately is an hour and a half of my time in the Stinger, 5 days a week.

Enter idle stop & go which solves this problem almost completely.

I personally can't wait to go electric once the infrastructure allows it. Much faster cars, no emissions, etc etc. Is anyone going to sit here and say that they wouldn't prefer a 0-60 time in the low 3 second range in an electric sedan?

 

[NickUK]

I think electric cars are interesting and i note that KIA are coming out with an electric NIRO in April 2019 here in the UK, and it doesn't look too different to the ICE Niro they currently sell. My only issues with electric cars are:

1) the grills look really odd when they are filled in - can't get over how EVs look from the front with no grill.

2) and most importantly to me is that they are so quiet! That Porsche in the video above looks brilliant and i'm sure is very quick, but it's so quiet and with no exhaust note that it sounds so soulless, weird and boring!

Surely car manufacturers can make a fake external exhaust note, like they do with internal cabins (like in the Stinger)? At least for sportier looking cars like the Stinger etc.

Would also save lives of pedestrians, who simply can't hear the things approaching them!

 

[Doel]

I don't want electric. I don't need electric. I'm retired. No need to negotiate unremitting rush hour traffic (I do get caught but it is sporadic, even rare). I want FUN when I drive. Now more than ever I want my car to reflect what I love about driving; and electric has nada to do with that. In fact, so strongly do I feel this way, that if I had been presented with the Stinger as it is, or a CHEAPER "GTE", I'd have paid more to keep the electric crap off of it! I'm not sure how much more I'd have paid to buy the "uncontaminated" version.

there's some confusion here, I feel like a lot of people didn't read what I wrote. This is NOT an electric car, it's a plug in hybrid. In my example above, the "GTE" would have the same 3.3 TT engine with an ADDITIONAL electric engine. You would seriously pay more for a car that's a lot slower and less efficient just because it has "electric contamination"? Why are you driving a Stinger instead of a 70s Mustang? I hate to break it to you, but our cars have electrical components everywhere. From the brakes to the differential, suspension, transmission, steering, and yes the engine itself. Adding an additional electric engine to the platform serves the same purpose as all the other existing electrical components. "Electric contamination" has been here a long time and you didn't even notice.

 

[Doel]

I "prefer":
o analog controls over digital
o 8-track tapes over streaming music
o incandescent light bulbs over LEDs
o tube TVs over flat screens
o coal-fired power over renewable energy
o landline phones over mobile phones
o snail-mail over email
o gutta-percha over urethane-covered golf balls
o leeches over modern medicine
o divisive lies over "fake news"
o manual transmissions over automatics
o carburetors over fuel injection

Not!

If and when KIA offers a hybrid or eventually an all-electric Stinger, I will definitely be interested in buying one. I recall reading somewhere that the Stinger platform was designed to facilitate future electric versions.

However, PEV and EV vehicles today are significantly more expensive than manufacturers' comparable gas-powered models. Hopefully this will change before too long, as the mechanicals on EVs are much simpler than modern internal combustion engine vehicles.

That's what surprised me the most about the new S60s. The T60 AWD is $47,045, the T8 AWD (plug in hybrid) is only $8k more at $55,045. For 8k you get the ability to drive all electric, but you also get an extra 84 hp and TWO HUNDRED extra lb/ft of torque. Could you imagine a Stinger with an extra 200 lb/ft available from idle? Definitely need some bigger tires

 

[CaliSting]

I don't think that Kia has any intention of taking on Porsche at any level in the foreseeable future. That is no surprise.

Don’t fool yourself. The Hyundai group sees that they need to go upmarket to make profits required to survive. There is a reason they are filling their ranks with BMW, Audi and Bentley execs. Lunched global platforms in luxuary space and are investing in technology. They are trying to break into high margin markets dominated by Porsche (small premium SUVs and sedans), BMW, Audi, etc. Most people don’t realize Porsche makes mostly small premium SUVs and sedans. Not sports cars and they are one of most profitable companies in industry.

Kia and Hyundai to survive must transform their product lines into more balanced offering of premium cars and be technology leaders. I have some technology insights into automotive markets and can tell you Hyundai group is falling behind and may not survive the transformation that is coming . I used to work at this “Fruit” company with a guy named Steve Jobs over a decade ago. Never forget sitting with him when he said you see HP, Compaq and Dell? They are all racing to bottom competing on price. “Fruit” company is going to focus on technology transformation , innovation and overall customer experience and not lower prices. Look where they are now.

Mark my words. Automotive industry and players are about to see biggest shakeup in their history in next 5-8 years with autonomous cars. Some believe tech companies will dominate car markets and companies like Hyundai will become contract manufacturers. I’m not sure if that will happen but certainly if car companies don’t transform their technology and become content providers in technology based transportation they will lose out and perhaps die.

The new leadership at Hyundai clearly is signal they recognized Korean leadership at Hyundai wasn’t on fast track to modernizing their product offerings. Market is voting right now and they are losing. Doesn’t mean Stinger is a bad car it’s just not what broader markets are demanding and I’m sure it’s a nightmare to the new leadership team that dealers are having to heavily discount this Stinger to prop up sales and even with discounts sales are still plummeting .

Wave of mid to high end electrics and high hybrids that will hit markets next year will suck even more oxygen out of markets Hyundai is trying to sell traditional entry level luxury cars. They missed the boat. Show rooms are going to be filled with mind blowing electrics and hybrids starting next year. I suspect Elon is both crapping his pants and satisfied his vision is being realized.

Don’t get me wrong I love analog car world and just recently ordered one of the last true analog Porsche 911s to be made. And I’m a Stinger owner. But me and gear heads like me are not wave of future in automotive world.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I "prefer":
o analog controls over digital
o 8-track tapes over streaming music
o incandescent light bulbs over LEDs
o tube TVs over flat screens
o coal-fired power over renewable energy
o landline phones over mobile phones
o snail-mail over email
o gutta-percha over urethane-covered golf balls
o leeches over modern medicine
o divisive lies over "fake news"
o manual transmissions over automatics
o carburetors over fuel injection

Not!

If and when KIA offers a hybrid or eventually an all-electric Stinger, I will definitely be interested in buying one. I recall reading somewhere that the Stinger platform was designed to facilitate future electric versions.

However, PEV and EV vehicles today are significantly more expensive than manufacturers' comparable gas-powered models. Hopefully this will change before too long, as the mechanicals on EVs are much simpler than modern internal combustion engine vehicles.

What a list of non sequiturs. How long did it take you to come up with all of that?

Electric cars are CRAP at convenience and utility. They cause warm fuzzies (I'm DOING SOMETHING to save the planet) and nods of approval from politically correct snobs who are into groupthink. There is not one thing about electric cars, at this time, that recommends itself to ICE proponents/fans.

Electric is BORING
Is lacking in practicality (range)
Is inefficient use of time (must, re, charge ...)
Is added cost for no return (time is money)
Is arguably at least as wasteful (battery disposal)
Is no solution to what causes climate change
Is not any more reliable than ICE (look at Tesla)
Is not cheaper!

As it stands, if you are getting electric or hybrid to increase your "gas mileage" you are going about this the wrong way: just get a more efficient ICE. There are plenty of them. The Stinger isn't for you.