EV Stinger would you Buy or Not?

[Maljey]

The sad thing is that people are being distracted by people spouting nonsense but not paying attention to the things in front of them. The government allowed corporations to move jobs overseas, things that used to be made local are now being made elsewhere, then imported back at a much higher price than they cost to make. The CEOs and leaders of those companies make massive amount of money while they are fine with not taking care of their employees and we get angry at our neighbors/coworkers for taking our jobs, that are going to companies in their former home country, where the people there are paid even less than here. Don't want to derail this thread but there are so many things that need to change to make this country better but people aren't seeing it. Our government can provide billions of dollars in aid and weapons to fight a war, in another country but, say there isn't any money for services and programs to help people locally. Well, it's not only the government, but it is becoming the norm. A government for the corporations is what the US has become.

Capitalism at its finest, although the US has always served the rich (i.e. the 1%) at the expense of everyone else, so this is no surprise. Just pure greed. Dunno why people think this is some new phenomenon.

 

[JSolo]

^^Life lessons not taught in schools these day.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

People!! Stop calling it capitalism! It has nothing to do with it. We don't have capitalism!! We have socialist fascism here. Capitalism was dead, ever since free market was shot dead.

 

[Kamauxx]

This is so damn stupid. Can we just talk about whether folks will or won't buy an EV instead of having to read about each other's politics?

 

[JSolo]

It would seem EV's are tightly intertwined with political views. Impossible to talk about one without the other. Who's going to subsidize all those charging stations to be built. So one could freely travel coast to coast without fear of getting stranded.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

This is so damn stupid. Can we just talk about whether folks will or won't buy an EV instead of having to read about each other's politics?

You are right! I still say no to EV, simply because there is, and will be, no power available to charge all those cars, unless we build enough nuclear stations, or make some kind of revolution with fusion power fantasy. And none of it is happening, because we are "saving the earth" and sprinting into stone age.

 

[Waynerm002]

There will be power, solar will become a thing for some, even though the utilities don’t like it. Imagine having your home with solar and enough batteries to store a few days worth of energy to provide for your home and cars. Appliances are getting more efficient (yes, the good ones are pricey), bulbs are also. I invested in LED bulbs efficient appliances (washer and dryer) when I bought my house in MD, it reduced my energy usage right (after 2 months of seeing the normal rate) away. I also replaced the HVAC system with a slightly higher SEER (i think that’s what it was called) rating than needed for the house, my first bill after that was $25, in a summer month with excessively high temps. I got a letter from the utility company congratulating me for having the lowest bill in the area.

There are many parts to this efficiency thing that can reduce the load in the grid. Companies should get rid of appliances with low efficiency, stop producing and selling them. New houses should only have the highest efficiency appliances installed as standard, add solar and storage battery to each new house, along with EV charging and build it into the price. The government had a program to get old inefficient vehicles traded in and crushed to get them off the road, what not for old, inefficient appliances? I like to look at things as being possible, even if it takes a bit, if more people look for ways to get things done or find a way to overcome that thing that seems difficult, a solution can be found. The US is late to the EV party but there are more EVs on the road and that number is only going to grow. The incentives to buy one isn’t going to be around forever. I’m happy I got mine and took advantage of that. If you can see a way it will work for you, get one, if not, wait until it will, then do so.

Change is difficult, but it is going to happen. It’s all a fantasy until we make it real.

 

[NYBIOMED]

There will be power, solar will become a thing for some, even though the utilities don’t like it. Imagine having your home with solar and enough batteries to store a few days worth of energy to provide for your home and cars. Appliances are getting more efficient (yes, the good ones are pricey), bulbs are also. I invested in LED bulbs efficient appliances (washer and dryer) when I bought my house in MD, it reduced my energy usage right (after 2 months of seeing the normal rate) away. I also replaced the HVAC system with a slightly higher SEER (i think that’s what it was called) rating than needed for the house, my first bill after that was $25, in a summer month with excessively high temps. I got a letter from the utility company congratulating me for having the lowest bill in the area.

There are many parts to this efficiency thing that can reduce the load in the grid. Companies should get rid of appliances with low efficiency, stop producing and selling them. New houses should only have the highest efficiency appliances installed as standard, add solar and storage battery to each new house, along with EV charging and build it into the price. The government had a program to get old inefficient vehicles traded in and crushed to get them off the road, what not for old, inefficient appliances? I like to look at things as being possible, even if it takes a bit, if more people look for ways to get things done or find a way to overcome that thing that seems difficult, a solution can be found. The US is late to the EV party but there are more EVs on the road and that number is only going to grow. The incentives to buy one isn’t going to be around forever. I’m happy I got mine and took advantage of that. If you can see a way it will work for you, get one, if not, wait until it will, then do so.

Change is difficult, but it is going to happen. It’s all a fantasy until we make it real.

I like it, another person looking forward trying to create/construct something, instead of tearing it down- which is ALWAYS the easier/cheaper/hollow way to do anything. For the last 2 decades Ive been using as much green technology as possible: Pellet stoves, instant hot water heaters, expandable foam insulation, hybrid vehicles, LED anything/everything. I can only imagine how much energy is saved when towns/cities switch to LED bulbs on streets and highways when LEDs use 10-15% of the electricity of the millions of 1KW HPS/MH bulbs that have been used for the last 65+ years, the savings must be enormous!

 

[Maljey]

Who's going to subsidize all those charging stations to be built. So one could freely travel coast to coast without fear of getting stranded.

We already massively subsidize fossil fuels, agriculture and plenty of other industries though.

I do think it's 'interesting' that some people want America to create jobs, and say we have some of the best minds in the world. Yet these same people have no faith in their fellow Americans solving the challenges related to EV adoption.

You're right, it is all caught up in politics unfortunately.

 

[Waynerm002]

Saw a Tesla in Bangkok. They have a number of BMW plug in hybrid for sale in the a couple of their shopping malls and there is a Chinese automaker, Great Wall Motors, that has hybrid CUVs and 1 electric in one of the malls. I have also seen charge points in the parking garage at the mall. Will be interesting to see the changed in 10 year here and how that will impact traveling. Their fast charger is only 50 watts from what I can see from the EV map. Certainly makes for a longer charge time on long drives.

 

[Kamauxx]

The EV6 GT's UK price was announced a couple of days ago. It will start at £59,995 ($72,469).

It will be officially unveiled at the Goodwood Festival of Speed event on June 23rd. I suppose we will learn more about pricing shortly after.

I'm betting Kia will lower that a bit for U.S. sales. Tesla just increased the price of the Model Y Performance to $69,990 (increased by $2k). I think the EV6 GT will be priced right under that.

 

[NYBIOMED]

Saw a Tesla in Bangkok. They have a number of BMW plug in hybrid for sale in the a couple of their shopping malls and there is a Chinese automaker, Great Wall Motors, that has hybrid CUVs and 1 electric in one of the malls. I have also seen charge points in the parking garage at the mall. Will be interesting to see the changed in 10 year here and how that will impact traveling. Their fast charger is only 50 watts from what I can see from the EV map. Certainly makes for a longer charge time on long drives.

I think you must mean 50 amps...which generally only gives about 15/16 miles of range per hr, so yes, indeed kinda slow.

 

[Kamauxx]

I think you must mean 50 amps...which generally only gives about 15/16 miles of range per hr, so yes, indeed kinda slow.

I had a 14-50 plug installed on a 50 amp breaker yesterday. At 40 amps it will add 37 mph. At 32 amps it'll add 30 mph.

This depends on car of course, but I think most EVs can charge at 32 amps, adding at least 25 mph.

 

[NYBIOMED]

Yes

I had a 14-50 plug installed on a 50 amp breaker yesterday. At 40 amps it will add 37 mph. At 32 amps it'll add 30 mph.

This depends on car of course, but I think most EVs can charge at 32 amps, adding at least 25 mph.

Yes, it all depends on the built in charger. I have plugin hybrids, so of course their charging systems will be less sophisticated than a full EVs. I also have a 14-50A home setup.

 

[Waynerm002]

Sorry 50kW, it’s a fast charger. These are what I see in cities for normal daily use, go shopping for a couple of hours, get charged up. This is what they have for their long distance chargers, not the 150-350kW units we have.

 

[Waynerm002]

The EV6 GT's UK price was announced a couple of days ago. It will start at £59,995 ($72,469).

It will be officially unveiled at the Goodwood Festival of Speed event on June 23rd. I suppose we will learn more about pricing shortly after.

I'm betting Kia will lower that a bit for U.S. sales. Tesla just increased the price of the Model Y Performance to $69,990 (increased by $2k). I think the EV6 GT will be priced right under that.

The EV6 GT should be a really good performer, but we know they will hold back some performance in favor of the Hyundai IONIQ 5 N version and the Genesis GV60. As they want it to be the Stinger’s replacement, for now, the pricing will be a test to see how it’s accepted in the US. In Europe, KIA is compared to the Germans at some level. For them those are local cars and they don’t all come the same way as we get them here. We get the loaded up versions with the higher powered engines and luxury features, while over there they are just regular cars and even used as taxi’s. At the $72k price, that will put it in league with the BMW i4 M50, which has a 3.7 seconds 0-60 time and 227 mile range. They probably will shoot for under $70k, loaded as they won’t be going full luxury with it. I think they are leaving room for another 4 door coupe/GT car to go against the Audi etron GT and the next sporty purpose built BMW EV. At that time, they will make it more luxurious, fast and sporty for a higher price. They should be able to compete and probably beat BMW at that point. Albert Biermann and team should have a real challenger by then.

 

[Devin]

The EV6 GT should be a really good performer, but we know they will hold back some performance in favor of the Hyundai IONIQ 5 N version and the Genesis GV60. As they want it to be the Stinger’s replacement, for now, the pricing will be a test to see how it’s accepted in the US.

We "know"? How?

 

[RIck-F]

 

[Ohiocruiser]

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I am interested to see where are we gonna get 25%-30% more power from, to charge all those cars. And that is just a passenger cars.

 

[RIck-F]

I am interested to see where are we gonna get 25%-30% more power from, to charge all those cars. And that is just a passenger cars.

Note the Norway line-- pretty damn good! Norway pretty much gets all of its electricity from nuclear. All over Europe and North America nuclear plants are being shut down. California traded all its nuclear plants for rolling blackouts.
Solar energy provided about 2.8% of total U.S. electricity and about 13.5% of electricity generation from renewable energy in 2021. (Just slightly better than Germany)