3.3TT Class Action Lawsuit: Pulsating Brakes

[MerlintheMad]

2 - I am seriously considering running winter tires year round. How bad of an idea is this?

Bad. From what I inculcated as a young driver (starting with dear old dad's advice, and backed up by everyone who knows), snow tires are not even safe in warm weather. Not because they don't handle sedate driving: because the tire itself gets compromised by the heat and fails at some point; the risk is not minimal. Also, snow tires wear out incredibly fast in warm to hot conditions. You would save money storing tires rather than replacing them so often. I'm going to say that winter/snow tires will not last more than a year. By the time you see winter weather again, most of your tread will be gonzo.

most all season tires really should be called "no season tires"

Around here, the valleys are seldom snow packed. A storm is cleared away and the roads are 95% plus dry by the following afternoon. "Snow" tires are therefore overkill precaution.

A good A/S tire will deliver in any and all conditions short of black ice: and even a snow tire will not work on black ice; nothing short of studs will have a chance braking/cornering on black ice.

I've watched the video comparisons of braking and cornering. A/S just needs to slow down more and brake earlier and more conservatively than a snow tire does.

A driver adapts to conditions. It's not as if a snow tire allows you to drive the same way you do on a warm, dry road; you still have to back off and drive carefully: an A/S is just slower still.

Even in my vans I never ran snow tires and I never got stuck once (the last time I got stuck was in a Tempo when I slid off the black iced road into a ditch; we're talking early 90s).

 

[RogueIV]

Yes we adapt but I'd rather prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Yes, I ran studded snows on my WRX. I'd rather be able to use the car closer to it's full potential. Will I be using all of that potential all the time? No, but if a crisis happens (think of a sudden appearance of deer or other unplanned occurrence) you'd be much better off with a well suited tire for the conditions. Tires are the most important thing on a car and far too many people want to compromise that. Usually you'll find them in the median during a snowy day with their AWD SUVs.

regardless this is a thread about Brake Pads I should have replied to the other post but i didn't see it before this one.

 

[Ozstung]

No mention of European stingers suffering brake issues and very few here in Australia, everything points to US spec pads.

 

[Madhermit]

I only have about 10,000 km on mine, brakes are ok. Do Canadian cars have this issue potentially?

 

[MerlintheMad]

I only have about 10,000 km on mine, brakes are ok. Do Canadian cars have this issue potentially?

Canadians have complained. But it's a U.S. centric thing.

 

[JP's_Stinger]

I only have about 10,000 km on mine, brakes are ok. Do Canadian cars have this issue potentially?

Canadians have complained. But it's a U.S. centric thing.

I can confirm to you, guys, that it's as much a problem in Canada that it is in the US. On our QC Stinger owners FB group, there's already A LOT of people having switch their pads for aftermarket ones (EBC/StopTech/Hawk/Giro, etc.). I mean, more than 40 owners encounting. There recently was a group buy from EBC where more than 25 different owners bought replacement pads. Trust me, it's not just a US thing

 

[ChaneRZ]

Confirmed! Kia pads suck lol.

 

[HDTurbo]

What about Brembo pads?

FAQ: Vibration under braking: warped rotors? NO!

Very late to the party and just want to clarify some of the comments I've seen. I'm around 1700 miles and have some squeaking but no vibrations... yet. Do folks recommend just replacing the front, or all 4 pads? Would love to save some $ if replacing rears isn't necessary to nip this...

stingerforum.org

 

[ryan1stinger]

Car has 25k miles and I’ve had the brake issue since 5k miles. 5k miles ago my dealership resurfaced and then replaced the rotors under warranty and Kia consumer assistance reimbursed me for the OEM brake pads. Shaking car happening again under braking. I’m going the route of aftermarket brake pads and I called Kia consumer assistance requesting they pay for the install and they tell me they don’t cover an after market install and then I proceed to tell them not to install crappy pads. They opened my case and basically told me I’m out of luck and on my own. They say they don’t have enough complaints for a recall. If you’re facing this issue and haven’t yet called Kia Consumer assistance (800) 333-4542 please do so and it’s going to take everyone to report this issue before anything will be done. Do it for future Stinger owners if not for you.

 

[HDTurbo]

Maybe you should slow down.

 

[RogueIV]

He's trying to slow down but Kia gave him crappy brake pads.

 

[StingerGTT]

Maybe you should slow down.

Just playing devils advocate here , why buy a stinger if you want to go slow ??? I know I didn’t. A car capable of 167+ as advertised should be able to slow down safely.

 

[ryan1stinger]

Maybe you should slow down.

It’s a GT and the parts should live up to that. We shouldn’t have to tailor our driving to crappy parts. Drive like you stole it.

 

[StingerGTT]

It’s a GT and the parts should live up to that. We shouldn’t have to tailor our driving to crappy parts. Drive like you stole it.

Amen brother well said !!!

 

[HDTurbo]

LOL! Y'all missed the ironic sarcasm! I agree all the parts should work together as intended.
But sometimes they can be over-stressed, and as I've learned with other brake systems require the driver to let the brakes cool before stopping completely and leaving the car sit. This will, in many cases, avoid deposits on the rotors. And don't forget proper bedding in!

 

[sheniqua1]

I am looking into starting a class action lawsuit against Kia to do a full recall on their brakes and rotors and have everything upgraded so we don't get pulsating brakes after a few thousand miles from warped rotors. So many people complaining about this, and my Kia rep on the VIP line agreed and said they should do a full recall and just aren't doing it. They're replacing my set for free at 22K miles, but they said if it happens again it's on my dime.

Comment below if you've experienced this problem, or would like to add your name to the Class Action. Getting a count...

 

[EClapp3]

Bad. From what I inculcated as a young driver (starting with dear old dad's advice, and backed up by everyone who knows), snow tires are not even safe in warm weather. Not because they don't handle sedate driving: because the tire itself gets compromised by the heat and fails at some point; the risk is not minimal. Also, snow tires wear out incredibly fast in warm to hot conditions. You would save money storing tires rather than replacing them so often. I'm going to say that winter/snow tires will not last more than a year. By the time you see winter weather again, most of your tread will be gonzo.

This isn't true, I've driven on the same of snow tires year round here in ohio for 4 years now and am just now needing them changed. its been ~65,000 miles. This is on my mazda 3, granted that car is extremely light on tires. This is still only the second set the car has seen in 173K miles. But it handles great in the summer still and absolutely no issues. I know a TON of people here that leave their winter tires on year round just cause they dont want to pay to get them swapped.

 

[4wheelpilot]

On my 2018 Stinger GT1, the brake shudder began at 17k. I was very disappointed. As I never had a problem this early on any of dozens of cars..the next worst brake issue was on an Infiniti FX45 at about 30k. I am no more aggressive than a spirited driver. I mentioned all this to my service rep and advised the dealership to contact Kia to have the brakes serviced at no charge to me. Kia did pay for the servicing. After reading about these brake problems, I followed the bedding process. I’m at 34k and have not had a problem since. As an aside, Kia is shockingly mismanaged as even with service that takes several hours, my dealership just won’t provide a loaner for a $52k car! I realize this is a specific dealership decision but it is embarrassing that their “low budget mentality” is the polar opposite of the high level engineering and price of the car.

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

On my 2018 Stinger GT1, the brake shudder began at 17k. I was very disappointed. As I never had a problem this early on any of dozens of cars..the next worst brake issue was on an Infiniti FX45 at about 30k. I am no more aggressive than a spirited driver. I mentioned all this to my service rep and advised the dealership to contact Kia to have the brakes serviced at no charge to me. Kia did pay for the servicing. After reading about these brake problems, I followed the bedding process. I’m at 34k and have not had a problem since. As an aside, Kia is shockingly mismanaged as even with service that takes several hours, my dealership just won’t provide a loaner for a $52k car! I realize this is a specific dealership decision but it is embarrassing that their “low budget mentality” is the polar opposite of the high level engineering and price of the car.

This is probably why a lot of people fork over the extra $5k-$15k and go with the higher end German/Japanese brands...

Each of my dealership visits (5 warranty claims and 1 recall) took anywhere from 2 hours to 4.5 hours (not joking) to complete the work. Never offered a loaner, but no big deal, I can get work done on my phone or laptop. What blew my mind away was having to fight tooth and nail to get a loaner when my vehicle was going to be in the shop for over thirty days.

What you're talking about has been said many (many) other times by many (many) other Kia owners. Some service centers and dealerships are fantastic, but, it seems that most are run very poorly. On top of that everything is always delayed or set-back it seems. Oh well.

The car itself is pretty good. Sure, every single Stinger with the "Brembo" brakes is having this issue outside of the European models, but such as life.

This isn't true, I've driven on the same of snow tires year round here in ohio for 4 years now and am just now needing them changed. its been ~65,000 miles. This is on my mazda 3, granted that car is extremely light on tires. This is still only the second set the car has seen in 173K miles. But it handles great in the summer still and absolutely no issues. I know a TON of people here that leave their winter tires on year round just cause they dont want to pay to get them swapped.

My family had winter tires on both of our older Camry's year-round but they were both base model Le's from 2006 and 2008 that were driven nice and slow/safe all the time... I feel that the Stinger (at least the RWD w/ staggered 19-inch wheels) burns through tires like crazy... idk

 

[EClapp3]

My family had winter tires on both of our older Camry's year-round but they were both base model Le's from 2006 and 2008 that were driven nice and slow/safe all the time... I feel that the Stinger (at least the RWD w/ staggered 19-inch wheels) burns through tires like crazy... idk

Well it is a winter tire, they're not meant to be driven in a performance manner. I know they wont last the same on these cars I was just using it as an example. My mazda is so easy on brakes and tires.