Petition for real manual transmission mode

[upsidedown]

Have we figured out who has the bigger e-penis yet? We need to update the FAQ so everyone knows.

Well at least I thought Marc and I had a respectfull to the point discussion even if it was not very agreeable which I'm ok with. As the saying goes "Opinions are like arseholes everyone's got one" so I have mine and Marc has his so there really is no need for you to make this sort of comment

I'm happy that Marc and I have agreed to disagree so let's get back to the subject of the thread which I should have thought about in the first place

 

[Dspec 1]

Okay, the only bug I have with the manual mode is the shifting back to D at stop. I know, first world problems, but given that the manual mode doesn’t ever shift at redline for me, it doesn’t make sense to have this configuration.

I will say the rev-matching on downshift with the paddles just gives me chills!

 

[Dave48]

Not to jump into this debate, but to share my own experience after receiving my Stinger GT AWD last friday.

When in Sports mode and using the paddle shifters the car maintains the selected gear and does not revert back to D unless you come to a complete stop. I didn't try take the car to redline, but id imagine it will shift up a gear.

FYI this is the Korean Spec GT

Interesting
My Aussie spec GT most definitely does NOT hold manual mode in sport mode or any other mode. Holds it longer in sport but will revert back to D at some point.
It’s the only feature I’d like to have upgraded, especially if other markets have a true manual mode? There’s been a couple of comments suggesting this. Any others confirm this??
Cheers

 

[Marc Collins]

Okay, the only bug I have with the manual mode is the shifting back to D at stop. I know, first world problems, but given that the manual mode doesn’t ever shift at redline for me, it doesn’t make sense to have this configuration.

I will say the rev-matching on downshift with the paddles just gives me chills!

In Sport mode? It should only down-shift to first (1) and stay there in Sport mode (others will/should revert to D). But yours will also bounce off the rev limiter continuously--you are sure of that? If so, there are even more software variations and updates than I thought. Good news for those who have older ones and want to update...

Personally, I am OK with the reversion to D, especially if the up-shifting at redline has been deleted. @Dspec 1, there are two behaviours in manual mode to test:

1. Stick it in first or second and gently apply throttle until you hit the redline or past. Confirm that even with some extra throttle pressure, you hear and feel the rev limiter tat-tat-tatting and the car is not shifting.
2. In fourth or fifth gear, toddle along at about 1,500 rpm or less. Then floor the throttle all the way to the detent switch. Does the car override manual mode and down-shift thinking it is some kind of emergency (it usually does)? If you are really curious, try it with smooth but determined throttle application versus a slam to the floor.

Others can try these same two things and then compare notes.

 

[SteveCo]

@Dave48, what does your manual say in the 'Shift-by-wire' transmission section? The Canadian manual states that when in Drive, using either the + or - paddle shifter changes the transmission operation from automatic mode to manual mode. It then lists the conditions under which it shifts back from manual mode to automatic mode - the paragraph on that is unfortunately grammatically fractured, but appears to state it shifts back to automatic mode when:

1) Speed is lower than 7 Km/h, and the accelerator is depressed for more than 6 seconds - except in SPORT or CUSTOM mode, OR
2) Shift lever is moved to D(Drive) again, OR
3) The + Paddle is pulled for more than 1 second.

That last one may be getting a lot of people if they hang onto the paddle for a bit too long ...

 

[Marc Collins]

What does your manual say in the 'Shift-by-wire' transmission section? The Canadian manual states that when in Drive, using either the + or - paddle shifter changes the transmission operation from automatic mode to manual mode. It then lists the conditions under which it shifts back from manual mode to automatic mode - the paragraph on that is unfortunately grammatically fractured, but appears to state it shifts back to automatic mode when:

1) Speed is lower than 7 Km/h, and the accelerator is depressed for more than 6 seconds - except in SPORT or CUSTOM mode.
2) Shift lever is moved to D(Drive) again
3) The + Paddle is pulled for more than 1 second.

That last one may be getting a lot of people if they hang onto the paddle for a bit too long ...

The problem is how do you do #2 with Shift-by-wire? You would have to shift to neutral to then be able to go back to drive--unlikely if you are in condition where you need manual mode. That language appears to be copy and paste from the regular shifter that can be moved back and forth between manual and D while keeping the transmission/gears engaged.

It also does not say that it will revert when you come to stop, unless you believe that is embedded in the definition of #1. #1 is bizarre/backwards. It should revert to D if you are NOT applying any throttle at very low speeds for some period of time (i.e., rolling to a stop).

 

[RVance]

And one of the reasons I have so many posts already is because I need to be well-informed since I am in communication with senior people at KIA about some of these issues. Instead of whinging about other people's posts, I am trying to get the car improved sooner rather than later.

The Ferrari owner's forum called. They're not happy with the cupholder situation in the 812. Maybe you could talk to Sergio Marchionne. Get that fixed.

 

[upsidedown]

Okay, the only bug I have with the manual mode is the shifting back to D at stop. I know, first world problems, but given that the manual mode doesn’t ever shift at redline for me, it doesn’t make sense to have this configuration.

I will say the rev-matching on downshift with the paddles just gives me chills!

Yes agree about the rev matching (and other things) it is crap on the Australian dbw and from the looks of it it is crap other places as well. I have been experimenting recently around town and if you get the timing right on up or down paddle shifts with a lift off of throttle (upshift) or a slight stab of the throttle (downshift) then it is way better like it should be from the factory. It is a bit difficult to get right and it would help if you knew which gear you were in before you started but as the display shows "D" you don't really know until after your first shift when the display then tells you the gear

Interesting
My Aussie spec GT most definitely does NOT hold manual mode in sport mode or any other mode. Holds it longer in sport but will revert back to D at some point.
It’s the only feature I’d like to have upgraded, especially if other markets have a true manual mode? There’s been a couple of comments suggesting this. Any others confirm this??
Cheers

Just spoke to my service department and she said that as of today there is no new service bulletin for a recalibration of the gearbox. A least here in Australia

The Ferrari owner's forum called. They're not happy with the cupholder situation in the 812. Maybe you could talk to Sergio Marchionne. Get that fixed.

Best laugh I've had in a few days. We must be kindred spirits

 

[Bothor]

Interesting
My Aussie spec GT most definitely does NOT hold manual mode in sport mode or any other mode. Holds it longer in sport but will revert back to D at some point.
It’s the only feature I’d like to have upgraded, especially if other markets have a true manual mode? There’s been a couple of comments suggesting this. Any others confirm this??
Cheers

When I initially checked if my car will hold gear in sport mode, it would shift back to D after 30 seconds. This is in Aus.

I read that in traction off or traction/stability off, while in sport mode, it would not change back to D. I tried that today and it didn't... but then it also didn't in normal sport mode. I've done just under 500kms now, so I wonder if it's related to break in?

 

[upsidedown]

When I initially checked if my car will hold gear in sport mode, it would shift back to D after 30 seconds. This is in Aus.

I read that in traction off or traction/stability off, while in sport mode, it would not change back to D. I tried that today and it didn't... but then it also didn't in normal sport mode. I've done just under 500kms now, so I wonder if it's related to break in?

I'm at nearly 6000 klms and it still shifts to D in sport mode

 

[Bothor]

I'm at nearly 6000 klms and it still shifts to D in sport mode

Yeah it's weird, I just tried again and it didn't. I think it's a bit more intelligent than just a timeout as when it was holding it in manual (for literally multiple minutes) I was cruising down a mountain and kept it in 3rd gear the whole time. Maybe with varying revs it will hold in manual versus before when I was just cruising at the same revs. Similar to how autos will hold a high gear if you're breaking hard after accelerating hard.