Stinger just crushed the stock turbo record and made 490whp/574wtq on e30 without WMI

[ecko04]

Dynojet cannot calculate whp to hp using transmission losses, It cannot brake the car in needed points and etc. But it is cheaper.

This is a valid point that we all can agree on, which is how “real world” dynojet numbers are?

However, another point we can all agree on is that the dynojet “should” relay similar numbers regardless of where a vehicle is located due to the lack of calculated drivetrain numbers. Therefore a better measure apples-to-apples across different regions, altitudes, and weather would be the dynojet. Not to mention for the glory numbers the dynojet would be the preferred method of measurement. So for the sake of this thread the dynojet would be preferable even though I personally would like a load-based dyno for my own comparison. Luckily, I have access to, and use, DynoDynamics, with no correction factor, as well as dynojet.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I’ll respond to everyone together so this will be a long post.

Very impressive and believe it’s the best I’ve seen for a JB4 Stinger. However, most of those Stingers in the 490whp range are FBO and using WMI which is good for another 20-40whp. Most I’ve seen without WMI is 457whp but he did 490whp/574wtq on e30 only. Also I was really talking about the stock turbo record in general, not his dyno run specifically. 490whp seems to be the highest posted results with or without WMI for our Stingers, but good to see you got close to that number too.

Not sure what planet your on but HP/TQ results are the most widely used comparison for vehicles. There’s a reason all manufactures post HP/TQ results and only a few even provide 0-60 or 1/4m figures. Way too many variables affect those results(DA, weather, traction,etc) and one vehicle making 500hp can be slower than a 400hp car for ton of reasons. Most people nowadays trust and compare STD Dynojet results, because it’s the universal “standard” and used across the world.

Track/dragy results are nice for those that have the most ideal conditions, but everyone knows a prepped surface in FL cannot be compared to a lousy street in the high elevation mountains of Canada. And to answer your question, traction is why my buddy doesn’t use or care about track/draggy results. Too much power for street tires and isn’t taking the chance of hurting his drivetrain by using drag radials just to get a number someone might beat simply because they have better conditions...

Bottom line, the most recognizable & easily comparable results we can use and discuss are the highest HP/TQ dynojet numbers from each vehicle. Since more people seem to be comparing dyno results and that’s getting more popular across the internet & social media I think it would be best to evolve and follow the current trend is all I’m saying. Yes it may be for bragging rights, but better numbers will only help progress our Stingers to the international stage and get more people interested in our cars.

Sorry to hear that you won’t share something to help our community and progress the Stinger platform just because you’re worried about what others might say. Welcome to the internet. Lol

As I’ve said before, I agree dynos are mainly used to show power gains for mods on individual cars. However, those results arent faux records, they are real records showing the best results people can prove to everyone else that cares to see them. And in today’s social media and networked world that’s basically all that matters, whether we like it or not.

You do know dynos read differently from dyno to dyno. The fact that you can make a dyno read higher than it would compared to running on the street shows you how much people dont really use them, but for discussions on the internet. You buddy's dyno can read 15% lower on a dyno within 5 miles from him.

Here is the biggest reason why people laugh at these types of post.... THERE IS NO BASELINE. For all I know his baseline on that dyno would have read 400 tq with no mods. Dynos dont hold the weight you think they do vs actual times. As you mentioned conditions vary by location of the track, they have calculators out there for you to adjust for DA. That makes them even across the board for people.

Since he "cant" get traction tell him to record some 60-130 times or look for roll racing half mile tracks. Those are measurables that tell the truth.

 

[Toddasaurus]

It's all about the baseline.



:B

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I am very sorry to say that but reading you feels like talking with a child. Despite a bunch of people (including very knowledgeable ones) telling you this isn't true, you've repeated like 10 times in this thread that 490 is the standing record. Over here, nobody would think of it as a "number to beat". It is actually very easy to find dyno sheets showing over 490...

I won't share any recent graph because people will blame me for doing so but here you go.

Dyno from 10 months ago, JB4 stinger :
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Can we end this debate?

Come on brother we are on the same team and no need for insults. However, I dont how asking for evidence instead of just taking someones word for it is being a child.

I was always taught to never take something as facts unless there’s legitimate proof. I don’t understand how you could be so trusting that someone can just make up a number without any proof and you’d actually believe it’s true. There are tons of products on the internet, some from reputable sources, that claim to add “XYZ” more power & mpg, but if they don’t have any proof nobody tends to believe it.

It’s not that I don’t trust you or Terry are both telling the truth, it’s just that without evidence it’s simply hearsay and can’t be shared with others without real documentation.

I appreciate you finally posting a dyno and wish you included mods or a username to reference, but understand your predicament so no worries. I do find it funny that the one you shared is actually 499whp(506ps), but it’s still more than the 490whp I’ve seen everywhere else. Either way thanks for sharing and now we’re even closer to the 500whp benchmark.

Maybe for people who believe everything they see/read on the internet and social media, but for those of us operating in the physical world, the opinions of keyboard warriors and armchair dyno operators don’t matter nor do faux records on a forum.

Stinger sales and aftermarket development will not spike because of a dyno chart posted online.

You’re proving my point even more and exactly why I’ve been requesting documented proof. People spread lies all over the internet and anyone can say they make over 500whp, but without legitimate evidence it’s just hearsay.

I do understand Dynojet results may be slightly inflated vs load bearing dynos, but as Terry and others have stated they are the most standardized and comparable dynos available.

Im not saying that one dyno result will systematically change Stingers sales, but know in the interconnected world we live in word spreads like wildfire and that may be all we need to be the talk of the internet & auto enthusiast magazines. The Supra became the iconic car it is today because of tuners repeatedly breaking unthinking HP records and that news hitting the mainstream media, etc. A 500whp stock turbo Stinger won’t singlehandedly change the market but it can only help get us more recognition in the auto world.

Dynojet cannot calculate whp to hp using transmission losses, It cannot brake the car in needed points and etc. But it is cheaper.

This is exactly why most people don’t use load bearing dynos, especially for comparisons. Those dynos try to estimate or “calculate” losses, and use adjustable load to mimic real world conditions. Those adjustments are not uniform and can be made to show whatever numbers the dyno operator wants to show. They also don’t truly show flywheel hp either since they are simply a best guess of losses based on their chosen settings.

Most people would rather use a standardized dyno that can’t be easily manipulated and will be more accurate from one dyno to another. Dynojets results may be slightly inflated, but at least they are uniform and the best way to compare cars across the world.

You do know dynos read differently from dyno to dyno. The fact that you can make a dyno read higher than it would compared to running on the street shows you how much people dont really use them, but for discussions on the internet. You buddy's dyno can read 15% lower on a dyno within 5 miles from him.

Here is the biggest reason why people laugh at these types of post.... THERE IS NO BASELINE. For all I know his baseline on that dyno would have read 400 tq with no mods. Dynos dont hold the weight you think they do vs actual times. As you mentioned conditions vary by location of the track, they have calculators out there for you to adjust for DA. That makes them even across the board for people.

Since he "cant" get traction tell him to record some 60-130 times or look for roll racing half mile tracks. Those are measurables that tell the truth.

Yes some dynos can vary almost as much as 0-60 & 1/4m results due to environmental & road conditions, etc. However the dynos you are speaking about that you can adjust to show higher or lower results and 15% variances are load bearing dynos like Mustang dynos, not dynojets.

As Terry and many other tuners have said, dynojets are the most standardized & comparable dynos available which is why so many people use them. A dynojet 5 miles down the street with the same environmental conditions may vary 2-3% but not anywhere close to 15% or 60-70whp like you are stating.

I agree about not having a baseline, but he couldn’t show one on this dyno because he did different mods over time. He did dyno it right after adding intakes, muffler deletes & secondary DPs which produced 367whp. We know those mods combined make about 30-40whp. So like many other stock Stingers he was likely around 325whp, and at most 340whp. That means he gained 150-165whp with all his mods & “kill mode” e30 map on his lap3v2.

Sorry you keep misunderstanding, but DA is only one of the many variables of 0-60 or 1/4m results, and those DA calculators are just estimates which nobody can say if they are accurate or not. So no, those results are not really comparable and since they have more variables they carry less weight for comparisons across the world. You can believe it or not, but Dynojets are the best bet when comparing different cars with different conditions, which is a lot more even across the board than 1/4m times that will favor the person with most ideal circumstances.

I agree about the 60-130 rolls and he said he will be doing that soon. He recently had a 40-120 roll vs a Hellcat and it didn’t catch him until 100 and only had a bumper on him at 120 which is impressive. He doesn’t race a lot but will post more when he does.

 

[xot1]

The current record (that I know of!) with stock turbo is 594ps/583whp on a dynocom.

 

[Toddasaurus]

^Hot damn!!!

But then again, technically Tork just destroyed every stock turbo dyno for the 3.3tt with their nitrous build. Haha.

 

[xot1]

^Hot damn!!!

But then again, technically Tork just destroyed every stock turbo dyno for the 3.3tt with their nitrous build. Haha.

Yes his dyno with NOS is the highest number up to date!

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Come on brother we are on the same team and no need for insults. However, I dont how asking for evidence instead of just taking someones word for it is being a child.

I was always taught to never take something as facts unless there’s legitimate proof. I don’t understand how you could be so trusting that someone can just make up a number without any proof and you’d actually believe it’s true. There are tons of products on the internet, some from reputable sources, that claim to add “XYZ” more power & mpg, but if they don’t have any proof nobody tends to believe it.

It’s not that I don’t trust you or Terry are both telling the truth, it’s just that without evidence it’s simply hearsay and can’t be shared with others without real documentation.

I appreciate you finally posting a dyno and wish you included mods or a username to reference, but understand your predicament so no worries. I do find it funny that the one you shared is actually 499whp(506ps), but it’s still more than the 490whp I’ve seen everywhere else. Either way thanks for sharing and now we’re even closer to the 500whp benchmark.

You’re proving my point even more and exactly why I’ve been requesting documented proof. People spread lies all over the internet and anyone can say they make over 500whp, but without legitimate evidence it’s just hearsay.

I do understand Dynojet results may be slightly inflated vs load bearing dynos, but as Terry and others have stated they are the most standardized and comparable dynos available.

Im not saying that one dyno result will systematically change Stingers sales, but know in the interconnected world we live in word spreads like wildfire and that may be all we need to be the talk of the internet & auto enthusiast magazines. The Supra became the iconic car it is today because of tuners repeatedly breaking unthinking HP records and that news hitting the mainstream media, etc. A 500whp stock turbo Stinger won’t singlehandedly change the market but it can only help get us more recognition in the auto world.

This is exactly why most people don’t use load bearing dynos, especially for comparisons. Those dynos try to estimate or “calculate” losses, and use adjustable load to mimic real world conditions. Those adjustments are not uniform and can be made to show whatever numbers the dyno operator wants to show. They also don’t truly show flywheel hp either since they are simply a best guess of losses based on their chosen settings.

Most people would rather use a standardized dyno that can’t be easily manipulated and will be more accurate from one dyno to another. Dynojets results may be slightly inflated, but at least they are uniform and the best way to compare cars across the world.

Yes some dynos can vary almost as much as 0-60 & 1/4m results due to environmental & road conditions, etc. However the dynos you are speaking about that you can adjust to show higher or lower results and 15% variances are load bearing dynos like Mustang dynos, not dynojets.

As Terry and many other tuners have said, dynojets are the most standardized & comparable dynos available which is why so many people use them. A dynojet 5 miles down the street with the same environmental conditions may vary 2-3% but not anywhere close to 15% or 60-70whp like you are stating.

I agree about not having a baseline, but he couldn’t show one on this dyno because he did different mods over time. He did dyno it right after adding intakes, muffler deletes & secondary DPs which produced 367whp. We know those mods combined make about 30-40whp. So like many other stock Stingers he was likely around 325whp, and at most 340whp. That means he gained 150-165whp with all his mods & “kill mode” e30 map on his lap3v2.

Sorry you keep misunderstanding, but DA is only one of the many variables of 0-60 or 1/4m results, and those DA calculators are just estimates which nobody can say if they are accurate or not. So no, those results are not really comparable and since they have more variables they carry less weight for comparisons across the world. You can believe it or not, but Dynojets are the best bet when comparing different cars with different conditions, which is a lot more even across the board than 1/4m times that will favor the person with most ideal circumstances.

I agree about the 60-130 rolls and he said he will be doing that soon. He recently had a 40-120 roll vs a Hellcat and it didn’t catch him until 100 and only had a bumper on him at 120 which is impressive. He doesn’t race a lot but will post more when he does.

My car on a Dyno with intakes and exhaust only made 330 to the wheels. My completely stock stinger made about 313 on a dynojet. Like i said without a baseline this doesnt mean much. This maybe your first rodeo with internet racing Draggy and slips will always conquer especially a dyno with no baseline.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Yes his dyno with NOS is the highest number up to date!

And with his dyno you can trace it back to a baseline by pulling his original dynos. So we know what the "gains" are. His numbers are very legit with that NOS.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

The current record (that I know of!) with stock turbo is 594ps/583whp on a dynocom.

Lol. No offense but that sound like another made up number without any proof. Unless they’re running NOS like Tork there is no way they are adding another 100whp using the same mods as people with ~490whp... If you want anyone to believe those results please back up your numbers with evidence otherwise everyone will always question what you say going forward.

My car on a Dyno with intakes and exhaust only made 330 to the wheels. My completely stock stinger made about 313 on a dynojet. Like i said without a baseline this doesnt mean much. This maybe your first rodeo with internet racing Draggy and slips will always conquer especially a dyno with no baseline.

I feel sorry for you. That’s the lowest baseline I’ve ever seen for our Stingers and you likely underpowered compared to everyone else. Either that or your “about” 313 run had some serious heat soak and/or inexperienced dyno operators.

Like I said his baseline was “about” 325 which is right on point and on the low side for our Stingers. Even very conservatively he still gained around 150whp on motor only without any temporary power adders like NOS.

I admit 650whp with NOS is impressive for stock turbos, but we all know almost 200whp just came from the bottle. That’s why NOS is called “HP in a bottle” and a lot of people consider it cheating, but there is no denying it’s power gains.

 

[xot1]

Lol. No offense but that sound like another made up number without any proof. Unless they’re running NOS like Tork there is no way they are adding another 100whp using the same mods as people with ~490whp... If you want anyone to believe those results please back up your numbers with evidence otherwise everyone will always question what you say going forward.

No NOS, ecu tune on stock turbos full bolt-on with WMI.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

No NOS, ecu tune on stock turbos full bolt-on with WMI.

Again no offense, but that’s definitely a made up number as there’s no way they’re making almost 100whp more using the same mods as lap3 & everyone else making less than 500whp. Your boys are putting you on, or you’re just being really gullible.

 

[xot1]

Again no offense, but that’s definitely a made up number as there’s no way they’re making almost 100whp more using the same mods as lap3 & everyone else making less than 500whp. Your boys are putting you on, or you’re just being really gullible.

Again, it's not because you didn't see it that it didn't happen Mr Expert.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Again, it's not because you didn't see it that it didn't happen Mr Expert.

Lmao. You just don’t get it...

If you keep sharing unrealistic numbers without any evidence, especially ones that don’t make logical sense compared to actual dyno results, NOBODY will believe it actually happened...

The difference between facts and fiction is evidence. As much as I and everyone would like to believe 600whp is possible on stock turbos, one mans questionable statement on the internet is simply not enough. Sorry to say, but please stop wasting everyone’s time with fairytales and just post if you have something worthwhile to share.

 

[xot1]

Lmao. You just don’t get it...

If you keep sharing unrealistic numbers without any evidence, especially ones that don’t make logical sense compared to actual dyno results, NOBODY will believe it actually happened...

The difference between facts and fiction is evidence. As much as I and everyone would like to believe 600whp is possible on stock turbos, one mans questionable statement on the internet is simply not enough. Sorry to say, but please stop wasting everyone’s time with fairytales and just post if you have something worthwhile to share.

You're the one wasting people's time reacting like this. I just share what I know that hasn't been shared yet to the US communities. I don't need your seal of approval.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

You're the one wasting people's time reacting like this. I just share what I know that hasn't been shared yet to the US communities. I don't need your seal of approval.

I and others obviously like that you share Korean things to the US community, but you’re the one that came into my thread repeatedly boasting unverified numbers that don’t make sense.

Anyone can make up numbers and people will believe them “because I read it on the internet”, but I and many others simply want evidence. I don’t understand why you don’t get that and continue arguing for no reason or benefit to this conversation.

You don’t need mine or anyone else’s approval to share your thoughts, but if you want to brag about illogical results without dynos showing it’s true please make your own thread. I just want to keep this thread about factual results and records that can be proven. Thanks.

 

[xot1]

Oh, I didn't realize this was YOUR thread. Now I will unfollow this thread so you can keep talking about some 490hp "record".

Just a last advice. Don't throw words like "illogical", "don't make sense", or "impossible" because you're not an expert and such reactions will only make a fool of yourself the day someone bring proof.

Now have fun in your thread.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Oh, I didn't realize this was YOUR thread. Now I will unfollow this thread so you can keep talking about some 490hp "record".

Just a last advice. Don't throw words like "illogical", "don't make sense", or "impossible" because you're not an expert and such reactions will only make a fool of yourself the day someone bring proof.

Now have fun in your thread.

LOL and SMH...

You know I was the one that started this thread as you've been commenting & criticizing me since the beginning.

Also, as we've discussed for pages this 490whp/574wtq is the "current" stock turbo non-WMI(& now non-NOS) dynojet record for our Stingers. Although you have claimed higher numbers you have yet to share any evidence to prove otherwise. I'm happy to concede and give credit to anyone showing better results, but "word of mouth" just doesn't count as facts on the internet or in the real world.

I was very careful with my word choice and used "illogical", "doesnt make sense" & "impossible" because that's what your statement and explanations were. I wasnt trying to be negative or crass, but you made outrageous claims that defies everything we know of gains and HP/TQ results from the top Stinger tuners.

FYI- BMS shows 462whp with intakes & WMI, and Terry said "they all make about the same power maxed out. which ranges from 460-500whp". Lap3/PROSS has showed several dynos from FBO & WMI stock turbo Stingers and they're all around 480-500whp. You claimed you've seen almost 600whp with the same mods which is in fact impossible. We all know having different conditions & different dynos can vary, but nothing is going to show ~100whp(20%) more power from the same mods. As I've said before I'd love to see those types of numbers from stock turbo(non-NOS) Stingers, but I'm just trying to keep the facts straight.

I'm sorry you got upset and felt the need to demean me, but all I was doing was sharing the top results I've seen so far and simply requesting evidence that shows otherwise. Again nothing personal and I look forward to the day someone brings proof of even better records.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

This dyno queen fight has been entertaining. Hopefully we some actually times soon from this "ReCoRD DyNO CAr"

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Looks like we have a new record. Below is the first publicly shared dynojet result of a stock turbo(non NOS) Stinger making over 500whp!

I’m not sure of all the details, but this was a FBO Stinger with a JB4 using the new EWG control. Map5 did 494whp and map6 hit 503whp. They are both a lot lower on torque than blueberry’s 574wtq but the new EWG control is already breaking & setting new HP records.

Very impressive and great to see proof of someone finally breaking the 500whp barrier.