Who else has had warped rotors?

I stand corrected. I just looked and I had it wrong. The Shims have nothing on them, the back of the pads have this. You are correct Helo. Now the question is why did Brembo make these pads with this crappy formulation? To Kia's specifications?

I wonder if Genesis owners are going to get a fix for this since they are supposed to be a luxury brand.
 
I stand corrected. I just looked and I had it wrong. The Shims have nothing on them, the back of the pads have this. You are correct Helo. Now the question is why did Brembo make these pads with this crappy formulation? To Kia's specifications?

I wonder if Genesis owners are going to get a fix for this since they are supposed to be a luxury brand.
Haha, yeah this is weird. I feel like it's back to square one now that we know the calipers, rotors, and pads are all Brembo. I can still be talked into the rotors not being Brembo. Although I passed on some information from another forum member and I feel that they are likely Brembo rotors, I remember somewhere I read that Brembo identifies all of their genuine product. The rotors should have something on an outer edge that looks similar to this on them (below). I have never checked. Can anyone confirm this?

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All we know for sure is that the calipers are Brembo for sure. It is so frustrating that Kia won't say or do anything about this issue. Just another example of the lack of customer service these days I posted in my other rant post.
 
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The Stinger is certainly track capable - it's just not track ready off the showroom floor, and it will never be a track monster, as you've said.

Sure, it'll get around - but you'd end up cooking stock fluid and pads at a minimum if you're on any sort of reasonable track, simply because going hard on a track is hard on brakes (more so in a torque converter automatic where you don't get the benefit of good engine braking like you do in a manual, dual clutch auto or even CVT to some degree), and the stock pads and fluid are chosen for road-use, not track use, where slowing down rapidly from high speeds occurs frequently.

Better fluid and pads would certainly be advised - you want a higher temperature rated fluid (650F fluid is good) so it boils at a much higher temperature (ideally at temperatures you're not going to reach, because once it boils, you get bubbles, and they're bad), and you'd want pads that can cope with higher temperatures as well. I'd advise fresh fluid as well, not fluid that's been in the car for any particular length of time, as brake fluid tends to be hydroscopic (it absorbs water, and water boils at 212F).

Add a fire extinguisher. Most track day operators here (certainly all do under CAMS or AASA) require them as part of supp regs.

You also want a tow hook at each end (an obvious one at that), so if you do bin the car into a gravel trap (or worse), they have an easy to recognise place that they can attach a tractor to pull you out.

And for the love of pete, wear a helmet. Again, most serious track day operators will require this - but I've seen evidence of stupidity on racetracks at organised meets where helmets have not been worn, and it's mind-blowing just how dumb people can be.

Things like oil/transmission coolers are optional - without them, you won't go slower per se, but probably can't drive hard for as long. Swaybars and suspension upgrades are probably "nice to have" if you're serious about setting your car's best times.

Thanks - do we have tow hook attachments? How do I get one?

I already have a helmet from my autocross trials (still want to do that a few more times, but it's so little action for such a long day..). Just trying to figure out what are "must haves".. And I know probably needs its own thread :-)
 
It may be that on a lighter car, that pad compound is fine, but on the Kia, the weight of the car and the associated braking forces are generating more heat than expected, and the pads are suffering.

It could be that Kia asked for a specific pad compound, and Brembo (if they are the manufacture, as others have noted, the Brembo logo is on a shim, not the pad backing itself) simply complied, without specifically engineering it themselves for the car it was going onto - it's already believed that the front calipers at least are shared with other cars.

There's a lot of variables...

Thanks - do we have tow hook attachments? How do I get one?

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Brembo (if they are the manufacture, as others have noted, the Brembo logo is on a shim, not the pad backing itself)
I believe that the Brembo "logo" (white lettering) is on the pad itself. The shim (of the same shape as the clean area on the backing plate of the pad) can be seen in the palm of the person's hand behind the pad. If this is the case, the pads are certainly Brembo pads. I am out of town doing some hurricane prep, but when I get back, I will have to check on the rotors for the engraved lettering.
 
I'll be pulling my brakes here in a couple days. I'll post up pictures and results of the new install.

I went on Brembo's website, there are no listed parts for the Stinger under the Original Equipment section (first picture). Then, I went to Aftermarket - United States, and search for Kia, no Stinger. Doesn't even go up to 2018 year models (second picture). However, if I change the location to Korea, part numbers show up for only rotors (no pads).. And the fronts are still in development? (third picture).

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I'll be pulling my brakes here in a couple days. I'll post up pictures and results of the new install.

Are you doing front and rear? Willing to donate your rear pads to Carbotech for research, so they can make a pad that exactly fits, as they did for the front pads?
 
... there are no listed parts for the Stinger ... Doesn't even go up to 2018 year models ...

This is not uncommon for many parts manufacturers - try finding oil/air/cabin air filters, aftermarket brake components, etc. from even the most popular manufacturers. Simply not out there, probably because this car has such low sales in addition to only have 2 years in this market.
 
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I've had this problem for a while now and am at 7k miles and I am getting nowhere with the "VIP" line and dealership.

So I am going to try putting a complaint into the NHTSA. Currently only 1 Stinger owner has put in a brake complaint in on that site. I'll be happy to be the 2nd as I think Kia is not responsive in the matter.

For all US drivers, the more data the NHTSA gets to support the issue the better chance they can put pressure on the manufacturer for a recall. With only 1 data point right now, they can't help us unless all of us submit. There's plenty of us on this forum that can help create a sizable amount of complaints for them to investigate a systemic issue.

Every avenue of attack is necessary at this point as this has dragged on for too long. It's worth a try and takes 5 minutes to submit. Just go to their site and click report a problem. I'm tired of dreading driving a new car and all I get is the run around from the VIP line and the dealership.
 
I've had this problem for a while now and am at 7k miles and I am getting nowhere with the "VIP" line and dealership.

So I am going to try putting a complaint into the NHTSA. Currently only 1 Stinger owner has put in a brake complaint in on that site. I'll be happy to be the 2nd as I think Kia is not responsive in the matter.

For all US drivers, the more data the NHTSA gets to support the issue the better chance they can put pressure on the manufacturer for a recall. With only 1 data point right now, they can't help us unless all of us submit. There's plenty of us on this forum that can help create a sizable amount of complaints for them to investigate a systemic issue.

Every avenue of attack is necessary at this point as this has dragged on for too long. It's worth a try and takes 5 minutes to submit. Just go to their site and click report a problem. I'm tired of dreading driving a new car and all I get is the run around from the VIP line and the dealership.

This is not a safety issue. Don't waste their resources on a wearable.
 
I believe that the Brembo "logo" (white lettering) is on the pad itself. The shim (of the same shape as the clean area on the backing plate of the pad) can be seen in the palm of the person's hand behind the pad. If this is the case, the pads are certainly Brembo pads. I am out of town doing some hurricane prep, but when I get back, I will have to check on the rotors for the engraved lettering.

Interestingly that's my hand/pic but I don't recall if the part stamped "Brembo" is removable. If you look at the sides it looks like it might come off of the pad, along with the hardware under it.(I'm too lazy to go check)

When I did the pads i checked the rotors for any markings and couldn't find a thing. But after seeing the Brembo stamp on the above rotor pic it's quite possible that I missed it.
 
I did have that reservation at first, and I'm no engineer, but I was thinking wouldn't the pad deposits create an uneven surface where there is less friction and therefore less braking power and therefore is a safety issue though?

If you are braking hard enough to burn it off then maybe it doesn't matter, but when it's still present I would think having that crap on your rotors would have to at least some impact to stopping power at least a little bit?

As a "naive" consumer, I am just reporting it as a perceived issue to safety to braking regardless of the above though. Because it sure seems it impacts stopping power even if only a perception, which perception is still a safety issue (people over braking as a result of loss of confidence in their brakes, even if stopping power wasn't impacted due to this defect, causing a rear end collision is still a safety issue due to the faulty design).
 
Yesterday I installed the Cquence brakes and Girodisc pads. Installation was easy and straight forward. Here are some pictures of the old rotors and pads. The pads on the back side had build-up in the groove of the pad, where the outside facing pad did not. I don't know if that had anything to do with the shuddering. Also, the pads have the Brembo name, but no where on the disk did I see "brembo":

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The new rotors and pads installed:

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The new rotors and pads are super smooth, and brake strong. Hopefully we'll get more than 20k out of these!
 
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Yesterday I installed the Cquence brakes and Girodisc pads. Installation was easy and straight forward. Here are some pictures of the old rotors and pads. The pads on the back side had build-up in the groove of the pad, where the outside facing pad did not. I don't know if that had anything to do with the shuddering. Also, the pads have the Brembo name, but no where on the disk did I see "brembo":
Pretty sure you did, but just to make sure... Did you check on the edge as in picture in post #502? This would be a huge piece of he puzzle.
 
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I have 21,000 miles on my Stinger GTII. I called Kia Stinger VIP last month and opened a case, mentioned this has been an ongoing problem since a little before 10K miles. They tried reaching my dealership unsuccessfully 5 times, and have filed 2 complaints against them with the district supervisor for Kia.

They told me today that MANY people call in for this same issue, I told them they should do a recall and upgrade the rotors to strong slotted drilled rotors that can withstand high heat and she (KIA REP) said “I agree!” For now she said they are going to pay for new brakes and rotors for my Stinger. All I have to do is take it into any local Kia dealership, and they will pay for a rental vehicle while mine is being worked on as well. But only as a 1 time courtesy goodwilll gesture (sounds like a rehearsed line).

Here’s what I propose. I have a friend who works at a corporate law firm, in the car industry. Often in litigation with major car companies. I’m going to talk to him about a class action lawsuit against Kia to force them to fix this. If we do this, are the affected participants on this thread (and anyone else who owns a kia Stinger) willing to get on board as plaintiffs in this suit? Reply with a simple yes or no, I’d like to get a rough minimum count before starting this process.

Desired resolution: full replacement with upgraded parts to fix this problem - basically a recall.
 
Pretty sure you did, but just to make sure... Did you check on the edge as in picture in post #502? This would be a huge piece of he puzzle.

Yes, looked all around the edge of both rotors, inside surfaces.. everywhere. No "Brembo" name or logo.

Here’s what I propose. I have a friend who works at a corporate law firm, in the car industry. Often in litigation with major car companies. I’m going to talk to him about a class action lawsuit against Kia to force them to fix this. If we do this, are the affected participants on this thread (and anyone else who owns a kia Stinger) willing to get on board as plaintiffs in this suit? Reply with a simple yes or no, I’d like to get a rough minimum count before starting this process.

Desired resolution: full replacement with upgraded parts to fix this problem - basically a recall.

I doub't I'd get any compensation since I did not buy Kia parts... But count me in to support the cause!
 
I am surprised this type of legal action has not already started. Kia needs to resolve this. I think them putting euro pads in our cars might fix it, but they won't do it.
 
I have 21,000 miles on my Stinger GTII. I called Kia Stinger VIP last month and opened a case, mentioned this has been an ongoing problem since a little before 10K miles. They tried reaching my dealership unsuccessfully 5 times, and have filed 2 complaints against them with the district supervisor for Kia.

They told me today that MANY people call in for this same issue, I told them they should do a recall and upgrade the rotors to strong slotted drilled rotors that can withstand high heat and she (KIA REP) said “I agree!” For now she said they are going to pay for new brakes and rotors for my Stinger. All I have to do is take it into any local Kia dealership, and they will pay for a rental vehicle while mine is being worked on as well. But only as a 1 time courtesy goodwilll gesture (sounds like a rehearsed line).

Here’s what I propose. I have a friend who works at a corporate law firm, in the car industry. Often in litigation with major car companies. I’m going to talk to him about a class action lawsuit against Kia to force them to fix this. If we do this, are the affected participants on this thread (and anyone else who owns a kia Stinger) willing to get on board as plaintiffs in this suit? Reply with a simple yes or no, I’d like to get a rough minimum count before starting this process.

Desired resolution: full replacement with upgraded parts to fix this problem - basically a recall.


Start a new thread about a lawyer pressed recall. It'll get more attention.
 
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