Yellow repaint thread, anyone else having issues after?

[17th_Letter]

so i was talking to another yellow owner and we both are having a problem with our hoods after repaint. to be specific its right around the hood vents.


anyone else?

 

[Sweetness020603]

I have the same issue, will be repainting the hood in the fall and ordering the stingerhaus vents as I heard they have better gap and clearance. I tried shaving the lip a bit on the OEM vents but no assist. As paint cures it shrinks, with the vents in it can't do its process. I understand this because it's what I do for a living. However unless you leave the vents out for months, or change them to something not quite so tight such as the stingerhaus vent you're going to keep seeing this. Any hood any color with these tight fitting vents will cause the issue. The vents need to be modified or replaced.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Ah, I see; repaint requires weeks/months of curing time; and the hood "vents" get put back in too soon. Unavoidable, I'm afraid. Wait till it's done, then touch up. It won't really show.

When I went outside to look at mine (before I put two and two together: Yellow, repainted, shrinking/curing respray), I did notice that what I had taken for "black plastic" is, of course, black paint over white plastic. I have half a dozen very small chips out of my "vents". So I poked at each one with the "pen" tip on my touchup kit. Can't see them now.
Here's the biggest one before touchup:

Interestingly, the same paint around the brake scoops in the front bumper hardly have a mark, despite being continually in harm's way.

 

[17th_Letter]

I have the same issue, will be repainting the hood in the fall and ordering the stingerhaus vents as I heard they have better gap and clearance. I tried shaving the lip a bit on the OEM vents but no assist. As paint cures it shrinks, with the vents in it can't do its process. I understand this because it's what I do for a living. However unless you leave the vents out for months, or change them to something not quite so tight such as the stingerhaus vent you're going to keep seeing this. Any hood any color with these tight fitting vents will cause the issue. The vents need to be modified or replaced.

So would baking the hood longer allow the paint to cure past its shrinkage? cause if this is going to be a constant i'm thinking we need to go poke corporate about a refund for new hood vents.

 

[Jenny Yang]

All I know is Kia needs to provide me with a loaner as my body shop repaints my hood for the 3rd time!

 

[Sime]

If this is so, why aren’t all Stingers out of the factory having this issue.
I’m pretty sure hoods aren’t left to cure for weeks/months when built.

 

[ShannonC]

All I know is Kia needs to provide me with a loaner as my body shop repaints my hood for the 3rd time!

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I would think the body shop should be providing the loaner as it's not KIA's fault it went wrong.

 

[SteveCo]

All I know is Kia needs to provide me with a loaner as my body shop repaints my hood for the 3rd time!

Unfortunately, that just looks like shoddy workmanship on the part of the body shop. If they are making their third attempt, perhaps it's time to find another shop to do the work properly.

 

[MerlintheMad]

If this is so, why aren’t all Stingers out of the factory having this issue.
I’m pretty sure hoods aren’t left to cure for weeks/months when built.

Nothing beats a factory paint job. The heat/bake must be really quick.

 

[Jenny Yang]

Unfortunately, that just looks like shoddy workmanship on the part of the body shop. If they are making their third attempt, perhaps it's time to find another shop to do the work properly.

How can it be my body shop's fault when other Sunset Yellow Stingers painted at various other body shops have the same problem?

 

[Yellow Jacket]

I have the same issue, will be repainting the hood in the fall and ordering the stingerhaus vents as I heard they have better gap and clearance. I tried shaving the lip a bit on the OEM vents but no assist. As paint cures it shrinks, with the vents in it can't do its process. I understand this because it's what I do for a living. However unless you leave the vents out for months, or change them to something not quite so tight such as the stingerhaus vent you're going to keep seeing this. Any hood any color with these tight fitting vents will cause the issue. The vents need to be modified or replaced.

Same thing happened to mine. The OEM vents are a very tight press-fit. I didn't even notice the paint deformation, but the bodyshop did. (He requested a follow up to make sure everything was perfect, and spotted the issue). I went with the StingerHaus vents, and problem solved. They are not a press-fit like the OEM. Yes, they are a pricey solution. -But they will eliminate the problem.

 

[SteveCo]

How can it be my body shop's fault when other Sunset Yellow Stingers painted at various other body shops have the same problem?

That bubbling and wrinkling around the vents indicates that the surface wasn't prepared properly for paint. A good body shop would have removed the paint and primer in that (and any other affected) area, taking it down to bare metal before building back up a proper foundation - before applying the top coats and properly curing them.

Bad enough to do it once and blame it on the manufacturer's original surface preparation or finish materials, but to have done it a second time and still not address the underlying issues is pretty poor form.

If you're having them do it a third time, I sure hope somebody there wakes up and realizes they are 1) badly compromising their reputation by allowing substandard work to leave the shop, and 2) hemorrhaging money on all these reworks.

 

[Sweetness020603]

Same thing happened to mine. The OEM vents are a very tight press-fit. I didn't even notice the paint deformation, but the bodyshop did. (He requested a follow up to make sure everything was perfect, and spotted the issue). I went with the StingerHaus vents, and problem solved. They are not a press-fit like the OEM. Yes, they are a pricey solution. -But they will eliminate the problem.

It isn't the fault of any bodyshop that this happens, the hood on mine was stripped down to metal both times and reshot. So it isn't a factor of too much material, it's a vent issue. They are simply too tight. No additional bake cycle time is going to cure the issue. Kia should pay to allow the hood vents replaced with a better vent clearance such as the stingerhaus or modify the existing vents to work. That may not work either as I slightly modified mine and this will be the 3rd time the hood has been painted. Paint can take several months to cure fully. It's just how automotive paint works. Solvent or water based will have the same issue. If you over bake it you can cause a issue in the paint by too much baking. The paint has to work in it's natural time frame to cure and release gasses or you can have what they call solvent pop. Too much too fast it can happen with too much cycle time, too much material too fast, not mixed properly, poor adhesion. This is not a bodyshop failure, do not go screaming to your shops about the issue. This is a Kia issue. The machines at the factory are highly efficient at using as little material to achieve the first al product. So whilst on the first application it was perfect, a human being is not. A human can not duplicate what the factory robotics do, thus ending with a slight bit more material on the application than that of the robotics system at the factory. I am just going to bit the bullet and change the vents and repaint it. Touch up is ok, however will not fully seal and could begin to rust at some point. I will not be risking it by putting a bandaid on the areas the paint lifted at. The shop is aware the hood needs to be repainted and he told me he won't repaint it until he sees the stingerhaus vents and tests the clearance as he doesn't want to keep repainting the hood when we know exactly what the problem is. Please don't go screaming at the bodyshops it isn't their fault. This will happen on any color hood that's been repainted and has the factory vents reinstalled.

 

[Yellow Jacket]

Agreed...This isn't a bodyshop issue. The shop I chose is run by family friends, and they have done LOTS of custom work for me over the years. I have no doubt that there is more "thickness" to the paint after respray, and I think that is the main issue. Mine has six coats (in addition to the yellow base primer). But the SH vents mitigate the problem by being "drop-in". The video shows the difference in design vs. OEM.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Agreed...This isn't a bodyshop issue. The shop I chose is run by family friends, and they have done LOTS of custom work for me over the years. I have no doubt that there is more "thickness" to the paint after respray, and I think that is the main issue. Mine has six coats (in addition to the yellow base primer). But the SH vents mitigate the problem by being "drop-in". The video shows the difference in design vs. OEM.

But, they are STUCK on!? How does this work with the assertion that aftermarket are less tight fighting than OE? It looks to me like any "vent" that is stuck onto the paint will cause the same stretching problem as the paint cures.

 

[Sweetness020603]

But, they are STUCK on!? How does this work with the assertion that aftermarket are less tight fighting than OE? It looks to me like any "vent" that is stuck onto the paint will cause the same stretching problem as the paint cures.

I won't be using the 2 sided sticky, I'll leave it on for a pad but I won't be using the sticky side of it. But in essence the part isn't clamped down and pinching it therefore it allows it to do its thing. I have seen even with the sticky 2 sided tape paint still wrinkle over time. The stingerhaus vents fit in a little more loosely not quite as tight as the factory vents.

 

[Yellow Jacket]

But, they are STUCK on!? How does this work with the assertion that aftermarket are less tight fighting than OE? It looks to me like any "vent" that is stuck onto the paint will cause the same stretching problem as the paint cures.

There's no pressure on the hood where the SH vents are stuck on. They don't have to be "wedged" in like the OEMs. You don't have to use the adhesive if you don't want to, I guess. But I can tell you with certainty that these have nowhere near the pressure against the paint as the factory vents. I've had mine on for about 4 months now, and I have seen zero issues.

 

[Sweetness020603]

Agreed...This isn't a bodyshop issue. The shop I chose is run by family friends, and they have done LOTS of custom work for me over the years. I have no doubt that there is more "thickness" to the paint after respray, and I think that is the main issue. Mine has six coats (in addition to the yellow base primer). But the SH vents mitigate the problem by being "drop-in". The video shows the difference in design vs. OEM.

Lol the shop that did my work hired me as the manager when the job was completed. I've been doing this since 2005 or 6. In the bodyshop and for insurance company.

 

[Jenny Yang]

Did any of you owners that experienced wrinkling paint around the vents file a report with KIA Consumer Affairs? Whether it's the KIA directed primer process or curing or vents too tight... we need to file complaints and get this on their radar because right now they are saying it is not a known or widespread issue and don't want to take responsibility for it. Clearly it is not a paint manufacturer or body shop issue. Please contact KIA Consumer Affairs ASAP and obtain a case number.

800-333-4KIA(4542)
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[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

I'm having a meeting with my Regional Field Tech Manager and The Regional Parts and Service Manager at the shop that painted Kato. We will be discussing this hood vent issue as well as some other repaint issues. Kia has been pretty OK about it thus far, but I know they'll end up becoming more difficult. Luckily, I have serious support at hand in the even they don't want to correct the issue fully and make me whole.