Windbooster vs. BMS Pedal Tuner vs. Pedal Commander vs. Sprint Booster

[AusStinger]

I think the best outcome for this would be if Terry@BMS was to explain in detail how these things work....
As a designer I'm sure you could do so in a way that all could understand ( it might kill sales of these going forward though OR help (?))

Personally, my limited understanding of what these things do is; it increases the voltage output ( signal ) sent to the ECU for a given pedal position ( in an earlier stage ) thus opening the throttle body sooner for the given pedal position.

An accelerator for a potentiometer ?

Am I close ?

 

[Terry@BMS]

I think the best outcome for this would be if Terry@BMS was to explain in detail how these things work....
As a designer I'm sure you could do so in a way that all could understand ( it might kill sales of these going forward though OR help (?))

Personally, my limited understanding of what these things do is; it increases the voltage output ( signal ) sent to the ECU for a given pedal position ( in an earlier stage ) thus opening the throttle body sooner for the given pedal position.

An accelerator for a potentiometer ?

Am I close ?

I already have in previous posts to this thread. It's the electronic version of changing a throttle cam (for old timers). You're changing the ratio/mapping of gas pedal in vs gas pedal out. So you when you push the gas pedal a little with your foot the ECU thinks you pressed the gas pedal more than you did and it "feels more responsive". You can just push your foot down faster and/or further to get the same effect without a pedal tuner, if you're so inclined. I tell people jokingly it's like wearing heavier shoes.

 

[Spyder168]

I do agree they do work as advertised. In sport mode with the pedal tuner it's like instant power. It is a cool mod. I do have to concentrate a little to pull out smoothly in sport mode, otherwise the car just pushes you back and you let of the throttle a little bit and it's kind of jerky.

Finally... someone that knows! They do what is advertised. I actually ended up in a minor fender bender because of the instant response...and had to dial it back while in the nonstop bumper to bumper traffic in good ol East Bay California.

 

[Spyder168]

I think the best outcome for this would be if Terry@BMS was to explain in detail how these things work....
As a designer I'm sure you could do so in a way that all could understand ( it might kill sales of these going forward though OR help (?))

Personally, my limited understanding of what these things do is; it increases the voltage output ( signal ) sent to the ECU for a given pedal position ( in an earlier stage ) thus opening the throttle body sooner for the given pedal position.

An accelerator for a potentiometer ?

Am I close ?

Very!

 

[Spyder168]

Very!

And they do send more voltage than stock....As when my Pedal Commander made my Q50 go into limp mode and throw a code...service dept showed more voltage going to throttle body but didn't know why, as I had turned it off and hid it under my dash.

 

[AusStinger]

I already have in previous posts to this thread. It's the electronic version of changing a throttle cam (for old timers). You're changing the ratio/mapping of gas pedal in vs gas pedal out. So you when you push the gas pedal a little with your foot the ECU thinks you pressed the gas pedal more than you did and it "feels more responsive". You can just push your foot down faster and/or further to get the same effect without a pedal tuner, if you're so inclined. I tell people jokingly it's like wearing heavier shoes.

Thanks for that explanation Terry.

So, just to clarify, by virtue of what you've stated, it DOES open the throttle body faster in relation to the pedal position vs not having one installed ?

 

[Spyder168]

Thanks for that explanation Terry.

So, just to clarify, by virtue of what you've stated, it DOES open the throttle body faster in relation to the pedal position vs not having one installed ?

Thanks for that explanation Terry.

So, just to clarify, by virtue of what you've stated, it DOES open the throttle body faster in relation to the pedal position vs not having one installed ?

I'm think I'm gonna start a Class Action Lawsuit, for false advertising! And tricking my mind into thinking they do something when they dont. I'm just being a smart-ass, I can't help it it's my Mother's fault. Haaaaa! But I'll say it one more time the Sprint Booster V3, does what it claims...as does the Pedal Commander, the only difference is the Commander gave me some issues twice, enough to have to take it in for service, but I still loved what it did. I have had 0 issues with Sprint Booster V3. My mind is playin tricks on me.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Thanks for that explanation Terry.

So, just to clarify, by virtue of what you've stated, it DOES open the throttle body faster in relation to the pedal position vs not having one installed ?

Maybe if your foot is injured and you're not physically able to quickly press down the gas pedal, lol.

 

[AusStinger]

LOL, Terry, you design, promote and sell these things and essentially do nothing but $hit on them and mock those who purchase them.

Interesting business model...

OK, I'm done here.

 

[Terry@BMS]

LOL, Terry, you design, promote and sell these things and essentially do nothing but $hit on them and mock those who purchase them.

Interesting business model...

OK, I'm done here.

Like I've said all along, some people love them, some people hate them. It's like changing the steering wheel. It doesn't make the car handle better it just changes the feel.

I'm only "$hitting" on the false claim that they improve performance and I haven't mocked anyone. To the contrary I've said to each their own on it as per my statement above. It might seem like bad business to you but if I jumped in and agreed with marketing bullshit when I know better I'd be risking my credibility as an engineer and tuner.

 

[AusStinger]

Like I've said all along, some people love them, some people hate them. It's like changing the steering wheel. It doesn't make the car handle better it just changes the feel.

I'm only "$hitting" on the false claim that they improve performance and I haven't mocked anyone. To the contrary I've said to each their own on it as per my statement above. It might seem like bad business to you but if I jumped in and agreed with marketing bullshit when I know better I'd be risking my credibility as an engineer and tuner.

I'd say that some may see your point and some may see mine.

If you take a look back through your responses ( assuming none have been edited ) you'll see that your words could easily be taken in the way that I mentioned ( as is evident by the responses of those who have one of these items installed ).

I do appreciate your input and you're admition that these items are essentialy a placebo and I'll leave it at that from me.

All the best

 

[Spyder168]

Like I've said all along, some people love them, some people hate them. It's like changing the steering wheel. It doesn't make the car handle better it just changes the feel.

I'm only "$hitting" on the false claim that they improve performance and I haven't mocked anyone. To the contrary I've said to each their own on it as per my statement above. It might seem like bad business to you but if I jumped in and agreed with marketing bullshit when I know better I'd be risking my credibility as an engineer and tuner.

I know that they don't improve performance nor do they claim to, they eliminate drive by wire electronic lag. It's like driving an electric car, which have instant acceleration, so no, it doesn't give any horsepower gains, it just allows you to access it quicker. All are entitled to an opinion. It's just that, an opinion. I use the product, and Im telling you, as the sky is blue, it works with absolute positivity. May be the other brands don't work? I don't know. Just sayin.

 

[AusStinger]

I know that they don't improve performance nor do they claim to, they eliminate drive by wire electronic lag. It's like driving an electric car, which have instant acceleration, so no, it doesn't give any horsepower gains, it just allows you to access it quicker. All are entitled to an opinion. It's just that, an opinion. I use the product, and Im telling you, as the sky is blue, it works with absolute positivity. May be the other brands don't work? I don't know. Just sayin.

Dude, you're not getting it !

Let me break it down for you...

WITHOUT a pedal controller, you press the gas pedal 1/4" in 0.5 sec and you get lag and then pull away.

WITH a pedal controller, you press the gas pedal 1/4" in 0.5 sec and you take off faster.

It has nothing to do with the pedal controller. That's a placebo ! The change in acceleration is a result of


MAGIC. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Dude, you're not getting it !

Let me break it down for you...

WITHOUT a pedal controller, you press the gas pedal 1/4" in 0.5 sec and you get lag and then pull away.

WITH a pedal controller, you press the gas pedal 1/4" in 0.5 sec and you take off faster.

It has nothing to do with the pedal controller. That's a placebo ! The change in acceleration is a result of
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MAGIC. Nothing more and nothing less.

Ehh, don't totally agree with that. With the pedal tuner, you press the pedal 1/4 inch in .5 seconds and the car thinks you pressed it 3/4 of the way down and you get 75% acceleration instead of 25% acceleration. If you trained your foot to hammer it to 75% of pedal travel in .5 seconds, it would be the same. Most folks just don't stab the pedal that hard naturally. Placebo is something that makes your mind think something is happening that really isn't. In the case of the pedal tuner, something is really happening. The car is being told you've given it more throttle and actually responding as such.
Horse has been officially beaten.

 

[Rick1111]

Like I've said all along, some people love them, some people hate them. It's like changing the steering wheel. It doesn't make the car handle better it just changes the feel.

I'm only "$hitting" on the false claim that they improve performance and I haven't mocked anyone. To the contrary I've said to each their own on it as per my statement above. It might seem like bad business to you but if I jumped in and agreed with marketing bullshit when I know better I'd be risking my credibility as an engineer and tuner.

Terry - Do you have any in stock for the Stinger?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Terry - Do you have any in stock for the Stinger?

Don't know, the website says we have some. You could email sales@burgertuning.com to have them check but I'd presume the site is accurate.

 

[Deviate]

Horse has been officially beaten.

But wait there's more....

 

[AusStinger]

Ehh, don't totally agree with that. With the pedal tuner, you press the pedal 1/4 inch in .5 seconds and the car thinks you pressed it 3/4 of the way down and you get 75% acceleration instead of 25% acceleration. If you trained your foot to hammer it to 75% of pedal travel in .5 seconds, it would be the same. Most folks just don't stab the pedal that hard naturally. Placebo is something that makes your mind think something is happening that really isn't. In the case of the pedal tuner, something is really happening. The car is being told you've given it more throttle and actually responding as such.
Horse has been officially beaten.

Wow I guess you guys don't get / like sarcastic humour.....

I'll put my serious pants back on for the next bit.

What you said above is what I wish Terry would have said a long time ago and put all this to bed.

The end.

 

[Spyder168]

Maybe if your foot is injured and you're not physically able to quickly press down the gas pedal, lol.

saying.

Maybe if your foot is injured and you're not physically able to quickly press down the gas pedal, lol.

It just so happens, my right foot is jacked up, just got off crutches! As it happens an old lady ran my foot over with a shopping cart, she got me just right. Luckily she didn't have a Sprint Booster, or I'd be minus a foot! Lolol!

 

[Spyder168]

Also, I would say its more of a pedal response gain than pedal feel. Pedal feel in my mind is the feel / feedback through the pedal itself whereas this controller does change the speed at which the throttle body opens. It's obvious.

Maybe the unit I have fitted is different / better than the BMS one (?).

Hey ...if it works like you want that's all that matters, I noticed from install on 2 different cars, it does make transmission shift a little later....and you don't have to stay in the pedal as long to get up to speed, or to maintain a certain speed.... IE... Your out of the pedal sooner while your cruising. Stop lights and the such will have you in the pedal probably a bit more as it feels killer off the line. I love mine and would get another if this one has an issue...I can't be without it now. I turned it off once and went to step on it and that dreaded drive by wire LAG! was and has always been a sore spot for me. As I grew up with Carburetors with an actual cable or wire which had no lag, unless it was not tuned right. Our modern gas pedals actually are more like an air pedal as it regulates airflow more so than fuel.