Will a tuned 2.0 ever approach stock 3.3 power?

[Hilleagle]

most folks don't understand that the difference between 4.8s and 5.5s is "less than a second"....on a 1/4 mile strip, that means a lot but on I-75, it does not......

I think this is such a valid point. If you intend going racing, you need to chase the numbers, each fraction counts. But in the 'traffic light grand prix', it can be as much about the driver and reaction times as anything else.

I fully understand your desire to tune the car you have, but I don't get the need to try and match the GT (GTS here in UK). I have a diesel model and will look at tuning that, but I wouldn't even consider trying to get to GTS or even 2.0T levels of performance. It may be possible to match the 2.0T, but I drove and could have bought a 2.0T, but the right car for me was the diesel. High petrol costs in UK and high annual mileage.

You chose the car for a reason, just make it the best car for you. That is what I intend to do with mine.

You can also take a different approach. If you want to have the fastest 2.0T, weight reduction is as good as power increase and helps with handling too!

 

[Robs]

Managed to get about 315hp on a dyno with JB4, WMI, custom Map 6 on 93 octane and injen intake. Happy to cross the 300hp mark with minimal mods. Doubt there much more to gain apart from bigger turbo and intercooler, and that would need a full tune and lots more money when the options do present themselves.

 

[monusa]

I think this is such a valid point. If you intend going racing, you need to chase the numbers, each fraction counts. But in the 'traffic light grand prix', it can be as much about the driver and reaction times as anything else.

Exactly, "Hilleagle". The 2.0T can approach 3.3T performance but i plan on spending the extra $$$$ to get a 2022 GT instead of trying to get the 2.0T at that level. i have achieved the level of performance from the 2.0T that i was looking for and thanks to JB4, that cost was minimal. Hell of a job Terry and crew. Stinger owners have a "unique" vehicle regardless of powertrain. that speaks volumes!!!!!!!

 

[Jayphil]

Exactly, "Hilleagle". The 2.0T can approach 3.3T performance but i plan on spending the extra $$$$ to get a 2022 GT instead of trying to get the 2.0T at that level. i have achieved the level of performance from the 2.0T that i was looking for and thanks to JB4, that cost was minimal. Hell of a job Terry and crew. Stinger owners have a "unique" vehicle regardless of powertrain. that speaks volumes!!!!!!!

The good news it that the 2022 with get a more acceptable base engine (2.5T) to compare with the competition and to align with the type of car it is trying to be. On paper the 2.0t Stinger sound good but in real life it get beat pretty badly by stock Audi A4 for example (0,7 sec on the 1/4 mile difference is huge).

With basic bolt-ons / JB4 the Stinger 2.0t become a better performer (for not a major investment) that is for sure but this performance level (maybe a bit less) should be the factory level and this is what the 2.5T will bring.

Now the 3.3T is a good performer but the German have stepped-up the game (especially the M340I) and the 3 additional hp of the MY22 is not enough of an adjustment. Let's see if KIA have also made some efficiency improvement to put more power to the ground and maybe improved shift logic that could help to improve the acceleration beyond what a 3hp increase would suggest.

 

[Sunseeker]

It's the 2021 GTLINE Stinger that will have the 2.5 300 hp engine. In 2022, the GT may jump to the 3.5.

 

[Jayphil]

It's the 2021 GTLINE Stinger that will have the 2.5 300 hp engine. In 2022, the GT may jump to the 3.5.

MY22 GT-Line will get the 2.5T and MY22 3.3T will get 3hp increase from the variable exhaust. Nothing happening for MY21

 

[Sunseeker]

Managed to get about 315hp on a dyno with JB4, WMI, custom Map 6 on 93 octane and injen intake. Happy to cross the 300hp mark with minimal mods. Doubt there much more to gain apart from bigger turbo and intercooler, and that would need a full tune and lots more money when the options do present themselves.

In 97F,my Dyno numbers with Racechip RS plus mods put my 2.0 at 302hp and 334tq peak at the crank. I'm curious how much more would JB4 add to my setup.

 

[Vermillion]

You could get 3.3 results out of a 1.6L turbo if you felt like it, issue is the longevity of the engine / powertrain. It could be a few seconds or it could be years but the engine might spit out a rod, the gearbox or clutch might shred itself or disintegrate. The turbo might spit out a bearing and wreck itself AND your engine or you could snap a driveshaft, I mean the potential list of failures without knowing tolerances or in depth specs of several components is extremely high.

I've seen people reforge engine internals (whilst increasing bore / stroke and compression), upgrade turbo's, add racing clutches etc. etc. to achieve 390HP out of a BMW 2.0L, as impressive as the project is it would have been far cheaper to buy a refurb 3.0L and drop it in (which some have done)..

Or just buy a stock 3.0L, I know the F series BMW I6's with a light map will pump out 420HP.. Interesting to see what the Kia is a capable of but I'd personally avoid being the guinea pig. Seen as the price difference is 8K as expressed by mana on this forum buying a stock GTS is the safest way to go. Also mods voids warranties and yes piggybacks can be traced from extensive boost pressure into the DME / ECU..

There's stats on everything, it really depends more on how much they care..

 

[Sunseeker]

Looking at getting another Dyno in the fall with 60-70 degree temps, but wanted to also be running a JB4 piggyback. With my crank Torque currently within 40 of the stock GT, I'm curious how much more the JB4 and cooler temps can add. Maybe a numbers for numbers match isn't the answer. What does the word Power actually refer to in this post? Power numbers under the hood or performance numbers such as 0-60 and quarter mile times? Trying to understand how my current setup walked down the base Mustang with 310 hp and 350 tq....twice (I have video but concerned to post). There is a HUGE surge of power near triples. I did glance at Tach once and saw it in between 4-5k. Is there extra power missing on the Dyno due to only 5th gear being used? I know that factors such as vehicle weight including fuel in tank, transmission, fuel octane, etc come into play. Regardless as one member mentioned......the 2.0 may never match the 3.3 without bigger turbo, etc......but giving it a go has certainly been the fun part of all this.

 

[Sunseeker]

Here is my Dyno with temp at 97f on 93 octane....
The lower numbers are without the Racechip.

 

[Jayphil]

Looking at getting another Dyno in the fall with 60-70 degree temps, but wanted to also be running a JB4 piggyback. With my crank Torque currently within 40 of the stock GT, I'm curious how much more the JB4 and cooler temps can add. Maybe a numbers for numbers match isn't the answer. What does the word Power actually refer to in this post? Power numbers under the hood or performance numbers such as 0-60 and quarter mile times? Trying to understand how my current setup walked down the base Mustang with 310 hp and 350 tq....twice (I have video but concerned to post). There is a HUGE surge of power near triples. I did glance at Tach once and saw it in between 4-5k. Is there extra power missing on the Dyno due to only 5th gear being used? I know that factors such as vehicle weight including fuel in tank, transmission, fuel octane, etc come into play. Regardless as one member mentioned......the 2.0 may never match the 3.3 without bigger turbo, etc......but giving it a go has certainly been the fun part of all this.

My advice take dyno comparison with a grain of salt. If you do compare at least make sure similar dyno is used and do not compare made up peak crank figures... compare the entire wheel HP in the usable RPM range.

That said 1/4 mile and especially the speed when you reach it is a better indication of power!

 

[Travis Wills]

M-B has pretty strong 2.0L 4 cyl at 416-hp-- no doubt Kia could do that too- - - but would it sell!

I think that is with an 8.5:1 compression ratio and some pretty crazy boost pressures. Yes anyone could do it but that car is probably going to end up being a warranty nightmare. Also it will be absolutely terrible on gas mileage which doesn’t matter if you only sell a handful of them. However, if a manufacturer sells a bunch of low fuel mileage cars then it hurts them. They have to maintain a certain fuel economy on average for their cars.

 

[Sunseeker]

JB4 is on the way. Will swap out the Racechip RS to see what increase in performance I will get with the JB4. I wanted to get another Dyno with current setup with lower winter temperatures but will wait until JB4 is installed and try the different stages and get a Dyno done then. With current setup and cooler temps, the car runs like crazy with the Racechip RS. I'm hoping the JB4 will get me below 5.5 sec 0-60 (w/o launch control) and give me enough to sustain performance I have now in the Summer 90 degree plus temps. I have a Relative who is getting his Orange GTS delivered today. I will do some runs side by side with him when I get the JB4 installed (Digs, rolling 30, 40 and 50 mph runs) BEFORE he drops in his mods.

 

[G-313748]

You will never get to GT power levels unless you do a big turbo upgrade. I dont even know if there are bigger turbo options for the 2.0 yet.

That being said you could get pretty close to a Stock GT power level. Start by getting a JB4, Intake and exhaust. I have not seen many aftermarket parts for the 2.0 yet.

But honestly the real answer is you should of got a "GT" if performance was what you wanted.

The JB4 will be the best performance mod you can do to the 2.0.

Hope this helps.

I’ve got jb4 intake and ark exhaust and keep up with the 3.3

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

No you don't.

 

[General_Vodka]

I’ve got jb4 intake and ark exhaust and keep up with the 3.3

bring your 2 point slow to me and we shall see

 

[Sunseeker]

JB4 is on the way. Will swap out the Racechip RS to see what increase in performance I will get with the JB4. I wanted to get another Dyno with current setup with lower winter temperatures but will wait until JB4 is installed and try the different stages and get a Dyno done then. With current setup and cooler temps, the car runs like crazy with the Racechip RS. I'm hoping the JB4 will get me below 5.5 sec 0-60 (w/o launch control) and give me enough to sustain performance I have now in the Summer 90 degree plus temps. I have a Relative who is getting his Orange GTS delivered today. I will do some runs side by side with him when I get the JB4 installed (Digs, rolling 30, 40 and 50 mph runs) BEFORE he drops in his mods.

I forgot to add an update to this tread. 240 whp on Map 2 with JB4 (307 bhp). On Map 3, dyno was 263 whp (337 bhp) and 287 torque to the wheels. I haven't dyno'd Map 5 with Boostane yet but it blows Map 3 away....way bigger jump compared to difference from map 2 to 3. If I had to guess based on butt dyno using the other maps as a gauge...i would bet I'm around 275 to 280 whp and close to 300 torque at the wheels. My 0-60 run with Racechip RS mode 6 went from 5.5 secs to 4.9 secs with JB4 on Map 3 when I finally figured out launch control. Will get dyno for map 5 w/Boostane in a few months.

 

[monusa]

NICE!!!!!

 

[Sunseeker]

I'm really curious about E85.....and especially WMI....but worried about putting the extra pressure on the 2.0. I know I'm close on Map 5 with Boostane and Shell 93.... I'm confident I would match the stock 3.3 with E85 or WMI....but who's going to leave a 3.3 stock these days? Strange that the title of this Thread wouldn't even exist for the 2.5.... it would have given me a DCT and a 45 bhp headstart!

Boost coughed (A/F ratio) just over 4k rpm on Map 1 on dyno. Map 3 was mods only with Shell 93 octane (no fuel wire or Boostane).

 

[ChaneRZ]

Who leaves 3.3 stock? I think old people lol.