Track/Course Stinger - A Track Day Review

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I pay for my Stinger, I'm not paid to drive it. So take this little review as a un-paid review that doesn't come from a guy driving the car and making money off the review.

I ran my 2018 GT2 AWD at the track yesterday for an entire day. I really learned a lot about the vehicle, AWD system, and brakes.

  • Skid Pad - 2+ Tons on a skid pad? lol, see below
    • AWD - It's a bit all over the place. Sport mode is way to twitchy, and the throttle is useless unless you drive with your pinky toe. The Stinger was shifting power from 100% RWD to 100% FWD according to spectators. It never stuck in 80/20 like advertised. Comfort mode was much more manageable and more predictable

    • Tires - Pilot Sport P4S did a fantastic job with communication. Predictable break away and allowed for quick recovery (within reason).

    • Brakes - It's hard to really describe, but on the skid pad the Stinger did not engage ABS at steep angles (45*+) which I loved. Brake pedal did not kick back as much as I'd like, it felt more like a small kick every few seconds. So brake modulation was difficult to find the threshold (see more in "tracK"
      • Thoughts? Well, it's 2+tons on a skid pad. I wasn't really expecting much, it delivered what I expected but did it with pride and the fact that I was in a KIA and everybody else a Ferrari or Porsche.
  • Track Work - What you see, is what you get.
    • Engine - It's a 3.3TT, 365HP KIA that has a lot of mass. Despite being 100% stock other than the K&N Intake I did not encounter heat soak (50-55*F outside) and was very impressed. The low end grund got you out of the corners, and kept you going. I don't have a single thing bad to say about the engine. It's truly a gem, I can't imagine needing more power. The only complaint, is this engine needs more coolant capacity. I was having to manage engine temps for a good bit of the day. The gauge was 3/4 up and at the base of the red portion. I could manage 4 hot laps and 1 cool down.

    • Transmission - No, it's not "ZF" fast, but it can move through the gears quickly, smoothly and with no delay. I beat the thing up, most transmissions slow down when they get hot. This thing speeds up. It was banging into 2nd and 3rd after a few sessions and just felt brilliant. Downshifts as well, quick and accurate rev-matching. First gear could be a little easier to get into, the rev limiter isn't aggressive enough for me but it's there for a reason...I can work around that for longevity.

    • AWD - I genuinely thought the AWD was going to take a lot of the fun out. Let me tell you, the AWD is ridiculous. It will find grip anywhere when you ask it to, and when you ask it to go sideways and kick the rear end out it will. It takes a good "flick" to scoot the rear out but it stays there until you straighten the wheel. Several occasions where I was sideways and straightened the wheel, it seemed to throw a load of torque to the front and pull the Stinger out of the corner. It desperately needs an LSD to really take advantage of the AWD system, it wanted to burn the inside tires more than drift, but if you flick the car and stand on it she will drift with no problem. I loved it.

    • Braking - They are great, fantastic initial bite but they fade. The OE Pads are not up to the task of track work. Mountain roads, sure, drag strips, go for it. Hard braking and reports that the front rotors are glowing no. I was shocked to hear on the radio that the rotors were glowing. The OE US Spec compound is too soft and outgasses to quickly. I ran through about 60% of my pad life in one day. ABS doesn't have much feedback, I wish it did. I found myself only noticing I'm into ABS by the car's rear end rotating and feeling the entire vehicle "chirping". I went in with spotless wheels, came out with black wheels. This needs two piece rotors with proper pads to do track work. It's too heavy for how it is equipped.

    • Handling - It's got shoes, PS 4S have some serious pedigree. The suspension is soft, but really, and I mean seriously has excellent grip. I went into turned at 60MPH thinking "I'm going to have to explain this one to her" and towards the end of the day was hitting the same corners at 80-85MPH. The body roll is there, but the car just sticks to the ground. It communicates, and I know this probably won't make sense as your reading it, but this thing just figures the shit out.
Thoughts? Well, I was the underdog. A KIA at the track amongst F12's, 911's, and many other track oriented cars. Mine was out of place. It was the heaviest, tallest, narrowest tires, smallest HP. Everything was against the Stinger. It rocked out hard. It's not a track day car, no way Jose. It doesn't wear the shoes with grace, but it will seriously kick some ass. I felt like I was eating a Sloppy Joe in a all white suite out there. It was a blast. Turn off the ESC and Stability and you have yourself a wonderful vehicle that you can drive to the track, beat the bajesus out of it, and cruise home all in superior comfort.

**This is one of the heaviest, trickiest, and most cumbersome vehicle I've tracked. Please stay within your comfort zone, and within reason. My driver skill level should not be used as a baseline for yours, nor my vehicle's performance. Each car is different. I have yet to drive a vehicle that likes to slide and act up like this one. It's very lively, and you need to be aware of that. It can, and will hurt you if you do not learn it at your pace**​
 
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Dang-- that sounds like BIG FUN!! Thanks for sharing the in depth report!
Now I know what my car can do if I try this.
 
Dang-- that sounds like BIG FUN!! Thanks for sharing the in depth report!
Now I know what my car can do if I try this.

Please do so at your own pace. This is one of the heavier/trickier cars I've driven at the track
 
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Any video?

I have one, but the audio and video will make your stomach turn. I will be back soon and will gear up with my GoPro's. It was a very last minute trip yesterday.
 
The few pics. It was mostly track time, not much talking/photos. One session in (about 30 minutes) and the tires looked pretty grim...6 hours later I have strings of rubber everywhere
 

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Is this the first AWD you'd tracked?

I chose the AWD because in my experience - when properly balanced - it provides a nice neutral drift and you can control the radius with throttle. You can also provoke the chassis with appropriate inputs - to flick the rear out as you say.

Also, as you say, the ability to put down more power earlier and have the front "pull" the vehicle thru is also a very enjoyable experience.

For me, it makes it a lot more enjoyable up in the hills, or when I want to show up the occasional irritating RWD muscle car in the wet.. :)
 
Is this the first AWD you'd tracked?

I chose the AWD because in my experience - when properly balanced - it provides a nice neutral drift and you can control the radius with throttle. You can also provoke the chassis with appropriate inputs - to flick the rear out as you say.

Also, as you say, the ability to put down more power earlier and have the front "pull" the vehicle thru is also a very enjoyable experience.

For me, it makes it a lot more enjoyable up in the hills, or when I want to show up the occasional irritating RWD muscle car in the wet.. :)


I tracked an Audi S4, which was far more confidence inspiring that the Kia. Everything was tighter, but didn’t have the “silly factor” when it comes to sliding.
 
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Probably half a ton lighter.. :)
 
Skid Pad - 2+ Tons on a skid pad? lol
Did you happen to notice the G meter reading? I read somewhere that someone did .93G with a Stinger on a 300' skid pad. And I've been fascinated by my G meter ever since! :p

Thanks for the warning at the end. I don't know if I will ever have a track experience with my Stinger (which is absolutely stock except for the Eibach rear sway bar, and I intend to keep her that way), but I do need to remember my limitations, which far exceed those of my car.
 
Did you happen to notice the G meter reading? I read somewhere that someone did .93G with a Stinger on a 300' skid pad. And I've been fascinated by my G meter ever since! :p

Thanks for the warning at the end. I don't know if I will ever have a track experience with my Stinger (which is absolutely stock except for the Eibach rear sway bar, and I intend to keep her that way), but I do need to remember my limitations, which far exceed those of my car.

Merlin - No, I did not. The Stinger suffers from oil temps just like the C63 AMG's so I was paying attention to that on the track to make sure she was running cool(er). I hope in the future, the Stinger is fitted with larger oil coolers.
 
I hope in the future, the Stinger is fitted with larger oil coolers.

I really doubt it would be unless they do some sort of performance variant of the car. If you track regularly I would just upgrade the oil cooler and possibly radiator depending on climate (I have a feeling you may need to do this in ATL). I remember when I owned my 370z an oil cooler was basically mandatory if you do any sort of track events
 
I really doubt it would be unless they do some sort of performance variant of the car. If you track regularly I would just upgrade the oil cooler and possibly radiator depending on climate (I have a feeling you may need to do this in ATL). I remember when I owned my 370z an oil cooler was basically mandatory if you do any sort of track events

Very true. I’m not sure if the car needs more oil, or coolant capacity. I’ll be on the track again, this summer. I’m sure it will be a struggle. I will say, after pitting I let the car run for about 10 minutes with the hook popped (not open) and after shutting the engine off the fans kept going for about 10-15 minutes.
 
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The 3.3T already takes 8qt of oil, I'm pretty sure it just needs better coolers. I haven't even looked at the radiator to see where an improvement might be seen - a better fan? more capacity? I don't think surface area or airflow would be an issue on this car
 
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The 3.3T already takes 8qt of oil, I'm pretty sure it just needs better coolers. I haven't even looked at the radiator to see where an improvement might be seen - a better fan? more capacity? I don't think surface area or airflow would be an issue on this car

I'm wondering if the K&N Hot Air Intake played a roll in the temperature issues? Oil cooler is a must from what I can tell already.
 
Brilliant review mate, Cheers.
 
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