Drag/Acceleration Roll Racing

[Terry@BMS]

I always let our Stinger shift itself. Never an issue, done maybe 5-6 rolling and standing 1/2 mile races with it. Tried 1/4 mile runs both ways but short shifting never made it quicker. At best it was the same. So figured why do the extra work.

 

[Tonkabob]

Did you ever figure out why getstungs won't shift into 5th half the time?

 

[xot1]

I'm not better than a computer so i let it shift, especially in the lower gears.
Unless you have a jb4 and it doesn't want to shift, let the ecu do the work.

For the lower gears I cannot agree more, but past the 3rd gear it is slower if you let it rev up all the way. What I usually compare is the 60-150mph times.

 

[xot1]

Did you ever figure out why getstungs won't shift into 5th half the time?

What post are you refering to? I may know the answer.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Did you ever figure out why getstungs won't shift into 5th half the time?

No, I'm not sure why his car doesn't want to shift itself 4->5 sometimes. It's not something I've come across much (maybe 2-3 other reports on higher power cars?) but we've tuned a lot of Stingers. Almost 1000 around the world. So name the issue and I'm sure someone somewhere with a JB4 has experienced it at one point or another by the sheer number of people running it.

 

[19GT-AWD]

Thread got me wondering how the Stinger GT RWD/AWD stacked up against other cars from rolling speeds ...

(data from C&D, top gear/automatic trans only, fastest to slowest)

2018 Cadillac CTS-V
$102,935 (base price: $88,490)
Power: 640 hp Torque: 630 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.0 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible
$84,840 (base price: $61,720)
Power: 460 hp Torque: 465 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.5 sec

2016 BMW M3 DCT
$88,095 (base price: $64,495)
Power: 444 hp Torque: 406 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec

2019 Chevrolet Camaro SS
$49,270 (base price: $37,995)
Power: 455 hp Torque: 455 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.3 sec / 50–70 mph: 2.6 sec

2016 Cadillac ATS-V Sedan
$74,245 (base price: $61,460)
Power: 464 hp Torque: 445 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.4 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.2 sec

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
$79,195 (base price: $73,595)
Power: 505 hp Torque: 443 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec

2020 Toyota Supra
$56,115 (base price: $50,920)
Power: 335 hp Torque: 365 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50–70 mph: 2.8 sec

2018 Ford Mustang GT
$47,160 (base price: $36,185)
Power: 460 hp Torque: 420 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50–70 mph: 2.9 sec

2019 Genesis G70 3.3T
$50,000 (estimated base price: $50,000)
Power: 365 hp Torque: 376 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec

2018 Kia Stinger GT 3.3T RWD
$50,100 (base price: $39,250)
Power: 365 hp Torque: 376 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.2 sec

2018 Kia Stinger GT 3.3T AWD
$52,300 (base price: $41,450)
Power: 365 hp Torque: 376 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.6 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec

2015 Ford Mustang GT
$44,980 (base price $34,120)
Power: 435 hp Torque: 400 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.7 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.0 sec

2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0T AWD
$59,975 (base price: $43,735)
Power: 400 hp Torque: 400 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.8 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec

2018 Buick Regal GS
$44,115 (base price: $39,995)
Power: 310 hp Torque: 282 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.8 sec / 50–70 mph: 3.8 sec

2017 Ford Fusion Sport
$41,470 (base price: $34,350)
Power: 325 hp Torque: 380 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.9 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.5 sec

2019 Ford Edge ST
$52,125 (base price: $43,350)
Power: 335 hp Torque: 380 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.9 sec / 50–70 mph: 3.9 sec

2016 Chrysler 200 V-6 FWD
$28,175 (base price: $27,480)
Power: 295 hp Torque: 262 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.1 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.2 sec

2016 Infiniti Q50 Red Sport 400
$57,475 (base price: $48,855)
Power: 400 hp Torque: 350 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec

2017 Cadillac CTS 3.6L RWD
$67,770 (base price: $54,690)
Power: 335 hp Torque: 285 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.2 sec

2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T AWD
$52,410 (base price: $41,945)
Power: 300 hp Torque: 295 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.3 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec

2018 Kia Stinger 2.0T RWD
$34,800 (base price: $32,800)
Power: 255 hp Torque: 260 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.4 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.4 sec

2018 Kia Stinger 2.0T AWD
$37,000 (base price: $35,00)
Power: 255 hp Torque: 260 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.5 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.5 sec

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0T AWD
$51,490 (base price: $40,990)
Power: 280 hp Torque: 306 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.6 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.3 sec

 

[xot1]

Here, rolling is more like 40~150++mph

 

[19GT-AWD]

As soon as C&D provides quantifiable data of that type, I'll post it.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Thread got me wondering how the Stinger GT RWD/AWD stacked up against other cars from rolling speeds ...

(data from C&D, top gear/automatic trans only, fastest to slowest)

2018 Cadillac CTS-V
$102,935 (base price: $88,490)
Power: 640 hp Torque: 630 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.0 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible
$84,840 (base price: $61,720)
Power: 460 hp Torque: 465 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.5 sec

2016 BMW M3 DCT
$88,095 (base price: $64,495)
Power: 444 hp Torque: 406 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec

2019 Chevrolet Camaro SS
$49,270 (base price: $37,995)
Power: 455 hp Torque: 455 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.3 sec / 50–70 mph: 2.6 sec

2016 Cadillac ATS-V Sedan
$74,245 (base price: $61,460)
Power: 464 hp Torque: 445 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.4 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.2 sec

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
$79,195 (base price: $73,595)
Power: 505 hp Torque: 443 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec

2020 Toyota Supra
$56,115 (base price: $50,920)
Power: 335 hp Torque: 365 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50–70 mph: 2.8 sec

2018 Ford Mustang GT
$47,160 (base price: $36,185)
Power: 460 hp Torque: 420 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50–70 mph: 2.9 sec

2019 Genesis G70 3.3T
$50,000 (estimated base price: $50,000)
Power: 365 hp Torque: 376 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec

2018 Kia Stinger GT 3.3T RWD
$50,100 (base price: $39,250)
Power: 365 hp Torque: 376 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.5 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.2 sec

2018 Kia Stinger GT 3.3T AWD
$52,300 (base price: $41,450)
Power: 365 hp Torque: 376 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.6 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec

2015 Ford Mustang GT
$44,980 (base price $34,120)
Power: 435 hp Torque: 400 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.7 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.0 sec

2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0T AWD
$59,975 (base price: $43,735)
Power: 400 hp Torque: 400 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.8 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec

2018 Buick Regal GS
$44,115 (base price: $39,995)
Power: 310 hp Torque: 282 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.8 sec / 50–70 mph: 3.8 sec

2017 Ford Fusion Sport
$41,470 (base price: $34,350)
Power: 325 hp Torque: 380 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 2.9 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.5 sec

2019 Ford Edge ST
$52,125 (base price: $43,350)
Power: 335 hp Torque: 380 lb-ft
30–50 mph: 2.9 sec / 50–70 mph: 3.9 sec

2016 Chrysler 200 V-6 FWD
$28,175 (base price: $27,480)
Power: 295 hp Torque: 262 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.1 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.2 sec

2016 Infiniti Q50 Red Sport 400
$57,475 (base price: $48,855)
Power: 400 hp Torque: 350 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec

2017 Cadillac CTS 3.6L RWD
$67,770 (base price: $54,690)
Power: 335 hp Torque: 285 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.2 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.2 sec

2018 Infiniti Q50 3.0T AWD
$52,410 (base price: $41,945)
Power: 300 hp Torque: 295 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.3 sec / 50-70 mph: 3.8 sec

2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0T AWD
$51,490 (base price: $40,990)
Power: 280 hp Torque: 306 lb-ft
30-50 mph: 3.6 sec / 50-70 mph: 4.3 sec

The Giulia seems like an afterthought. The only 2.0T in the list. The 2.0T Stinger should be listed too.

The 3.3T Stinger is right in there, especially for the HP and the money.

So, twice the price and twice the HP nets the Cadillac a full second faster time to 70 MPH. If I figure this right, that means that if your Stinger and a CTS-V are rolling side by side at 50 MPH and you both get on it perfectly, that by the time you both hit 70 MPH the Caddy is going to be SIX car lengths ahead: for twice the money and twice the HP.

 

[turboAWD]

The Giulia seems like an afterthought. The only 2.0T in the list. The 2.0T Stinger should be listed too.

The 3.3T Stinger is right in there, especially for the HP and the money.

So, twice the price and twice the HP nets the Cadillac a full second faster time to 70 MPH. If I figure this right, that means that if your Stinger and a CTS-V are rolling side by side at 50 MPH and you both get on it perfectly, that by the time you both hit 70 MPH the Caddy is going to be SIX car lengths ahead: for twice the money and twice the HP.

Also means - in 3 seconds, he'll pull 6 car lenghts, or he can be 1/2 second slower to react than you, and still pull ahead in ~2 seconds..

Of course, modified Stinger / stock CTS-V should be a lot closer..

 

[MerlintheMad]

Also means - in 3 seconds, he'll pull 6 car lenghts, or he can be 1/2 second slower to react than you, and still pull ahead in ~2 seconds..

Of course, modified Stinger / stock CTS-V should be a lot closer..

That just messes with my head. In 2.4 of his seconds he gets six car lengths ahead of you. But in 3.4 of your seconds the Caddy is six car lengths ahead. Are we playing with "time machine" phenomena here?!

 

[turboAWD]

That just messes with my head. In 2.4 of his seconds he gets six car lengths ahead of you. But in 3.4 of your seconds the Caddy is six car lengths ahead. Are we playing with "time machine" phenomena here?!

That's why they call 'em "supercars"

 

[19GT-AWD]

... The 2.0T Stinger should be listed too ...

Sorry. Correction made.

 

[DaJackson]

The Giulia seems like an afterthought. The only 2.0T in the list. The 2.0T Stinger should be listed too.

The 3.3T Stinger is right in there, especially for the HP and the money.

So, twice the price and twice the HP nets the Cadillac a full second faster time to 70 MPH. If I figure this right, that means that if your Stinger and a CTS-V are rolling side by side at 50 MPH and you both get on it perfectly, that by the time you both hit 70 MPH the Caddy is going to be SIX car lengths ahead: for twice the money and twice the HP.

6 car lengths in that short of time is getting destroyed in roll racing.

And the 100k gets you a lot more than just getting walked in a race. Also no one loses a race and says “my car was a better value” and gets respect.

 

[19GT-AWD]

... Also no one loses a race and says “my car was a better value” and gets respect.

The Stinger has already earned accolades from the world automotive community, forget all that "respect" stuff.

 

[MerlintheMad]

6 car lengths in that short of time is getting destroyed in roll racing.

And the 100k gets you a lot more than just getting walked in a race. Also no one loses a race and says “my car was a better value” and gets respect.

I know, but why would a V6 365 HP car even go up against that kind of performance? Might as well challenge a Koenigsegg Agera and really make yourself look stupid.

 

[Ecobust]

On the topic of roll racing, has anyone ever tried brake boosting the Stinger? If so, is it any quicker than just using the paddles to drop a few gears?

 

[xot1]

The problem is that it is hard to time perfectly when racing someone from a roll. You could make more boost but boost is already pretty high in 3rd and 4th gear. I wouldn't want more lol.

 

[P22Tyler]

So I've never been a drag racing guy, I've always preferred some corners in my racing. But I will be taking part in some roll racing coming up soon. We'll be starting at 40 MPH, I'm curious if anyone has any ideas on what gear I should be in, what I want my RPM's at. I've experimented a little bit with it at slower speeds to try and find the optimum power band, but it's kind of hard to do that on the road at 40 without it becoming dangerous (on the freeway) or incredibly illegal (surface streets). Any thoughts?

 

[MerlintheMad]

So I've never been a drag racing guy, I've always preferred some corners in my racing. But I will be taking part in some roll racing coming up soon. We'll be starting at 40 MPH, I'm curious if anyone has any ideas on what gear I should be in, what I want my RPM's at. I've experimented a little bit with it at slower speeds to try and find the optimum power band, but it's kind of hard to do that on the road at 40 without it becoming dangerous (on the freeway) or incredibly illegal (surface streets). Any thoughts?

I would try 4th gear first; then 3rd to see if that gives a quicker jump. 4th Gear is my favorite all around gear: it starts just below 20 MPH and can take you over 100 MPH (I think: I've yet to actually do that, but I'm pretty sure that 4th will red line above 100 MPH): anyway, it's a really useful middle gear that has a lot of torque in a wide band of speed.