Oil Catch Cans

[Luc343]

That is why the tech said to use premium gas.They also do tests on you tube and it burns hotter--and even though some call it a scam--premium in almost all chemical tests has more cleaning agents to avoid this.I have used premium in all the cars I have ever owned and have never had any major repairs.I also take my car to the dealer for all the service.

check out this video:

the truth about oil catch cans

I think John explains it a lot better then I can.

 

[AusStinger]

I know this is an old thread but I can add > 25 years of actual experience to this debate.
I am a HUGE believer in putting a catch can on almost any engine that recirculates crank case emissions.

So long as the catch can is properly engineered to function as and air / oil separation device ( the whole point of an OCC ), is well manufactured and is installed properly, there are only gains to be had and no losses.

It's better for your pocket ( especially in the long run ) and it's better for the environment.

On the last car I owned, a VE Commodore, I installed an "Elite Engineering" catch can and after many years of driving with it installed, there was minimal carbon build up on the pistons and back of the inlet valves ( checked about 4 months before I sold it ). I would drain a shot glass of oil from the catch can every month. That oil would have otherwise gone into the engine to be burned and become carbon deposits.

I have in the past worked on a number of proper race cars and EVERY ONE of them has had an OCC fitted ( often a combined OCC and oil surge tank ).

I actually ordered a new OCC BEFORE I had even picked up my new Stinger ! That is how much I believe in them.

The question has always been asked as to why they're not installed by the manufacturer as standard?
The answer is that it's an additional cost and doing so would prolong the interval between you buying you last car and a new one.

There are a lot of people out there that buy an OCC that is made in such a way that it's ineffective and just becomes a dead weight and something to look at. There are those who fit an OCC and vent it to atmosphere ( which is good for your engine but bad for the environment and can pose a fire risk ). These are the people who usually speak badly about an OCC.

As for John Cadogan's typically over exuberant rant on the subject ( and every other subject ) well, I'm sure he has a lot of followers and subscribers and I'm sure he's finding a way to make money from convincing people he's correct ( and get some kickbacks along the way ).

I'm a mechanic of over 30 years and I know what I know. There ARE a lot of things you can buy for your car out there that are a placebo ( like the electronic throttle controllers ) but a good OCC properly installed is not one of them.

 

[Flaniganskywalker]

I know this is an old thread but I can add > 25 years of actual experience to this debate.
I am a HUGE believer in putting a catch can on almost any engine that recirculates crank case emissions.

So long as the catch can is properly engineered to function as and air / oil separation device ( the whole point of an OCC ), is well manufactured and is installed properly, there are only gains to be had and no losses.

It's better for your pocket ( especially in the long run ) and it's better for the environment.

On the last car I owned, a VE Commodore, I installed an "Elite Engineering" catch can and after many years of driving with it installed, there was minimal carbon build up on the pistons and back of the inlet valves ( checked about 4 months before I sold it ). I would drain a shot glass of oil from the catch can every month. That oil would have otherwise gone into the engine to be burned and become carbon deposits.

I have in the past worked on a number of proper race cars and EVERY ONE of them has had an OCC fitted ( often a combined OCC and oil surge tank ).

I actually ordered a new OCC BEFORE I had even picked up my new Stinger ! That is how much I believe in them.

The question has always been asked as to why they're not installed by the manufacturer as standard?
The answer is that it's an additional cost and doing so would prolong the interval between you buying you last car and a new one.

There are a lot of people out there that buy an OCC that is made in such a way that it's ineffective and just becomes a dead weight and something to look at. There are those who fit an OCC and vent it to atmosphere ( which is good for your engine but bad for the environment and can pose a fire risk ). These are the people who usually speak badly about an OCC.

As for John Cadogan's typically over exuberant rant on the subject ( and every other subject ) well, I'm sure he has a lot of followers and subscribers and I'm sure he's finding a way to make money from convincing people he's correct ( and get some kickbacks along the way ).

I'm a mechanic of over 30 years and I know what I know. There ARE a lot of things you can buy for your car out there that are a placebo ( like the electronic throttle controllers ) but a good OCC properly installed is not one of them.

I will show this to KIA on my next oil change.The KIA master mechanic who went to Korea to be an expert on the stinger told me otherwise.I would love to see a rep from KIA address this.BTW an extra 500 bucks on a performance car like a stinger is a no brainer.I sprung for the AWD which is 2 to 3k because I know it works well--manufacturers need to have a clear answer on this.

 

[AusStinger]

I will show this to KIA on my next oil change.The KIA master mechanic who went to Korea to be an expert on the stinger told me otherwise.I would love to see a rep from KIA address this.BTW an extra 500 bucks on a performance car like a stinger is a no brainer.I sprung for the AWD which is 2 to 3k because I know it works well--manufacturers need to have a clear answer on this.

Please do, and if you could have him put his detailed response/explanation in writing as to why not to fit any OCC on a Stinger, you could relay it onto this forum for all to digest and make a decision on.

However, having worked for dealerships, I've found that a dealer / manufacturer will NEVER condone the fitment of any item that is not blessed within their four walls. When asked about tyre replacements, the standard answer will usually be "fit the same tyre that the car came out with from the factory" "It's the best tyre for this car". And yet, those of us who know tyres will tell you that the Michelin Pliot Sport Cup is a better tyre than the Sport 4 ( for example ).

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Even "if" you were to find out that a part that's fitted to a Genesis G70 3.3TT is exactly the same fit and form as that which is fitted to a Stinger GT 3.3TT but, provides more power and better fuel efficiency ( etc etc ), KIA would not condone it being interchangeable ( it would probably end up being an upgrade in a future model ).

As for people being sent O/S for "master training" on cars, they 'might' have been sent because they truly deserve it but they often are sent because of "other" reasons.

Any way, this is one of the MANY topics that can be discussed to death but my 2cents is an opinion based on many years of experience and until a suitable justification for me changing my thinking comes along...... It's OCC for me

 

[Flaniganskywalker]

Please do, and if you could have him put his detailed response/explanation in writing as to why not to fit any OCC on a Stinger, you could relay it onto this forum for all to digest and make a decision on.

However, having worked for dealerships, I've found that a dealer / manufacturer will NEVER condone the fitment of any item that is not blessed within their four walls. When asked about tyre replacements, the standard answer will usually be "fit the same tyre that the car came out with from the factory" "It's the best tyre for this car". And yet, those of us who know tyres will tell you that the Michelin Pliot Sport Cup is a better tyre than the Sport 4 ( for example ).

​

Even "if" you were to find out that a part that's fitted to a Genesis G70 3.3TT is exactly the same fit and form as that which is fitted to a Stinger GT 3.3TT but, provides more power and better fuel efficiency ( etc etc ), KIA would not condone it being interchangeable ( it would probably end up being an upgrade in a future model ).

As for people being sent O/S for "master training" on cars, they 'might' have been sent because they truly deserve it but they often are sent because of "other" reasons.

Any way, this is one of the MANY topics that can be discussed to death but my 2cents is an opinion based on many years of experience and until a suitable justification for me changing my thinking comes along...... It's OCC for me

His main answer on when I asked about it months ago was that gunk that you collected in your catch can gets burned out of the Stinger if you take it at HWY speeds once a month--change the oil on the severe schedule if you are worried about it and use premium gas.But I have this saved in my email and will bring it up on my phone next oil change.Dude seems pretty cool and they put R1 geomet rotors on and said they would put bigger tires on my car if I requested it.But some dealers are tight.Honda dealers are very tight on the policy of only using exactly what is on the car and charging a premium to install it.BTW he was honest enough to tell me that our Stinger rotors are not high performance rotors--even with brembos--that is why i got cross drilled geomets and they work fantastic and KIA said the fit was perfect.

 

[AusStinger]

His main answer on when I asked about it months ago was that gunk that you collected in your catch can gets burned out of the Stinger if you take it at HWY speeds once a month--change the oil on the severe schedule if you are worried about it and use premium gas.But I have this saved in my email and will bring it up on my phone next oil change.Dude seems pretty cool and they put R1 geomet rotors on and said they would put bigger tires on my car if I requested it.But some dealers are tight.Honda dealers are very tight on the policy of only using exactly what is on the car and charging a premium to install it.BTW he was honest enough to tell me that our Stinger rotors are not high performance rotors--even with brembos--that is why i got cross drilled geomets and they work fantastic and KIA said the fit was perfect.

Just to see what KIA Australia would actually say when asked, I sent an email to KIA Australia asking the following.......

"I would like to know if fitting the following items will void the KIA Australia Factory warranty?
I would like to do the following:
Replace the air filter panels with K & N filter panels.
Install a Mishimoto Breather Oil Catch Can.
Replacement both front and rear sway bars with Eibach items.
Install a KIA Bi-Modal exhaust rear section.
Could you please respond in writing with regards to the above.
Thank you."

and the answer I got was.....

"Good Morning


Thank you for your email


Please be advised that any repairs that might be required as a result of that aftermarket part will not be covered under warranty


In addition, KIA recommends you not to steer away from the standard manufacturing specification


Regards


Abhi"

So, ( and I find this the most amusing ) KIA Australia have applied the above statement ( in red ) to me the installing a KIA Bi-Modal exhaust rear section", a KIA part, supplied by ( and will be fitted by ) KIA.

 

[1TUFKIA]

KIA Australia are a joke... i didn't buy this thing for warranty concerns i bought it for the awesomness that it is and modify the phuck out of it...

 

[Dwiggy0]

I actually ordered a new OCC BEFORE I had even picked up my new Stinger ! That is how much I believe in them.

May i ask what one you got?

 

[AusStinger]

May i ask what one you got?

I just got the Mishimoto one since it's well made and does a good job.

Kia Stinger 3.3T - Mishimoto Direct Fit Oil Catch Can

Reduce carbon build up in your Kia Stinger 3.3T engine with the Mishimoto Oil Catch Can. This catch can system is installed on the PVC side of the engine. Mishimoto uses a unique design trapping particles with a 50-micron filter instead of draining back into the oil pan of your vehicle. Quick...

www.k8stingerstore.com

It's for the "dirty side" which flows the most crank case vapor, but there are other options for both dirty & clean sides if you want to "cover all bases" like the ADD1 option.

(NEW) ADD W1 V3 - Baffled Oil Catch Can Kits

Oil Catch can's catch the oil and moisture in the blow-by gas that causes carbon and sludge build-up in the intake system and engine. ADD W1's V3 Baffled Oil Catch Can's advanced design assures the best performance & keeps your Kia Stinger's engine clean. Custom brackets are designed...

www.k8stingerstore.com

 

[Dwiggy0]

Thank you. I'll be ordering one shortly.