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[SKStinger]

Thanks for all your feedback guys, I'm still a bit on the fence but I think I'm going to eventually order one, worst case I just remove it if I don't like the results.

The main reason I started this thread was because my last car had a N/A v6 with 280hp and 252lbs of torque and the low-end suffered ALOT when I installed a short ram intake. It sounded magnificent and pulled harder in high rpm but the throttle response and low-end tq suffered when I installed it.

Check out the classifieds. There is a new K&N intake for sale from a member in the Toronto area. Good price at $390 CAD plus shipping.

 

[Mike04SVT]

Your butt dynos must be fine tuned machines to feel a few difference in HP.

Have the K&N installed on mine, they work awesome. Sound is decently loud and nice to the ears, easy install. Can't say I feel any difference in torque, even if it's a loss.

Also have K&N on mine. Cant really tell if I lost low end torque, but car definitely sounds nice and intimidating especially when you start hearing the turbo spool up

Injen intakes here. Love them. Engine runs cooler and noticeably for power.

 

[brancky3]

~20whp is more than a 'few difference' IMO

 

[SilverNitr8]

Your butt dynos must be fine tuned machines to feel a few difference in HP.

Mike I think you misread my response along with Lay's because we both said we can't feel any difference. We never claimed we felt any performance boost or loss, only that it sounds nice.

 

[Doel]

~20whp is more than a 'few difference' IMO

I think you added a 0 to that number by accident, they all claim 10-20 whp but that just isn't what people get in the real world.

I think most people feel the extra HP in their "brain dyno" lol

 

[Kamauxx]

I think you added a 0 to that number by accident, they all claim 10-20 whp but that just isn't what people get in the real world.

I think most people feel the extra HP in their ears lol

Fixed that for ya.

 

[WildBill]

I think you added a 0 to that number by accident, they all claim 10-20 whp but that just isn't what people get in the real world.
I think most people feel the extra HP in their "brain dyno" lol

Dragy says I dropped a tenth of a second 0-60 just a few hours apart on the same section of road. The only change between runs was a Stillen Intake. A tenth of a second is a bit more than 2 HP.

The top two images are the manufacturer dyno charts for Stillen and K&N. The bottom one is a KIA Stinger owner that had their K&N dynoed before and after intake installation. I have not seen a independent Stillen dyno but it makes you question the legitimacy of any manufacturers claim. I'd link to the independent K&N source but it is on a different Stinger forum... you can google "Dyno results : Stock vs K&N Typhoon on 3.3TT"

All this said I like my Stillen intake. I don't feel as though I lost much in the low end. Makes up for it in the mid to high end at least. Dragy proves that.






There appears to be quite a difference in the low end

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Dragy says I dropped a tenth of a second 0-60 just a few hours apart on the same section of road. The only change between runs was a Stillen Intake. A tenth of a second is a bit more than 2 HP.

The top two images are the manufacturer dyno charts for Stillen and K&N. The bottom one is a KIA Stinger owner that had their K&N dynoed before and after intake installation. I have not seen a independent Stillen dyno but it makes you question the legitimacy of any manufacturers claim. I'd link to the independent K&N source but it is on a different Stinger forum... you can google "Dyno results : Stock vs K&N Typhoon on 3.3TT"

All this said I like my Stillen intake. I don't feel as though I lost much in the low end. Makes up for it in the mid to high end at least. Dragy proves that.
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There appears to be quite a difference in the low end

I and a few people confirm the quicker 0-60 times and got similar results with just intakes as well. Here’s my thread describing the same improvements.
3.3TT - DIY intakes w/Heat shielding drop about 0.2sec off 0-60

However the torque curve on the last dyno must be completely incorrect. There’s no way any intake would lose over 100TQ@3k RPM... Even down 50TQ@3500 is way off. I cant imagine losing more torque at low RPM than HP gained at the top end. I think losing 10TQ initially may be reasonable if gaining 12HP throughout the power curve is accurate.

I agree, the little loss I feel on the bottom end is easily made up for by the stronger mid & top end HP. IMO dropping 0.1-0.2 off 0-60 times is well worth losing a little TQ under 2k RPM. I don’t spend much time accelerating under 2k so I don’t find this to be a problem at all.

 

[Kazz]

Has anyone compared OEM intake & filter vs. OEM intake & K&N filters?

 

[NS_Stinger]

One thing I'll point out is that even when you do suffer low-end power loss from installing one of these remember that when you're actually heavy on throttle the transmission is going to be shifting above the rpm range where that powerloss is at. The only downside is on initial takeoff.

I do a ton of city driving and initial takeoff is important to me when jostling for a space in traffic and merging. I'm still on the fence...

 

[WildBill]

However the torque curve on the last dyno must be completely incorrect. There’s no way any intake would lose over 100TQ@3k RPM... Even down 50TQ@3500 is way off. I cant imagine losing more torque at low RPM than HP gained at the top end. I think losing 10TQ initially may be reasonable if gaining 12HP throughout the power curve is accurate

I find it surprising but without another data point I wouldn't say that it's incorrect. I honestly would trust that any shop that has a dyno would know how to install a CAI and use that dyno for comparison purposes.

Has anyone compared OEM intake & filter vs. OEM intake & K&N filters?

Not to my knowledge.

One thing I'll point out is that even when you do suffer low-end power loss from installing one of these remember that when you're actually heavy on throttle the transmission is going to be shifting above the rpm range where that powerloss is at. The only downside is on initial takeoff.

Great point!

 

[niko]

i had K&N typhoon intakes and i switch to the SSR Performance intakes. i can say i honestly love them the power is there on low end. it sucks in the cold air and gets directed through the pipes, no hot air from inside the engine bay like the k&n provided. so people may say oh but what happens when it rains would water get in. a couple weeks ago it rained heavy and i drove it my car. took off the bumper 15min job. and took of the intakes to see if i see any water residue of some sort and sure enough there wasn't any i was very surprised. it may not be for everyone but u should check out there dyno they had on it really good numbers.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Has anyone compared OEM intake & filter vs. OEM intake & K&N filters?

There wouldn’t really be a need to test this combo. Since K&N doesn’t claim any gains with their drop-in filters and the OEM intake box is very restrictive, there wouldn’t be a measurable change either way.

One thing I'll point out is that even when you do suffer low-end power loss from installing one of these remember that when you're actually heavy on throttle the transmission is going to be shifting above the rpm range where that powerloss is at. The only downside is on initial takeoff.

I do a ton of city driving and initial takeoff is important to me when jostling for a space in traffic and merging. I'm still on the fence...

I agree and 95% of my driving is city only too, but with all the Stingers low end torque it’s really not an issue. Very rarely does the engine operate below 2k RPM, especially in Sport mode. Even on initial takeoff the change isnt significant and just feels like a little more turbo lag until 2k. If you’re worried just test DIY intakes for less than $100 and put everything back to stock if you don’t like the upgrade.

I find it surprising but without another data point I wouldn't say that it's incorrect. I honestly would trust that any shop that has a dyno would know how to install a CAI and use that dyno for comparison purposes.
Not to my knowledge.
Great point!

Yeah but this shop obviously doesn’t know what they’re doing, or they are specifically trying to inflate bad numbers. Why didn’t they include other data points or multiple dyno runs for comparison. Most dynos have trouble accurately measuring low end torque so a reputable tuner would have done multiple runs for verification of the initial test. That’s another reason why good tuners do at least 3 runs for testing. IMO the odds are much higher that they simply had 1 inaccurate run over losing 100TQ from intakes.

 

[Tonkabob]

My 0-60 dropped .2 with JT intake with cold air funnel mod. Immediately after intake install the 0-60 did not change. 2 days later it dropped. I think K&Ns dyno is actually low. They probably dynoed back to back without giving the ECU time to adjust.
.1 to .2 0-60 drop is your stop light merging measure. You may not hit 60 but first gear goes to 37.5 mph so in the high 30s you enjoy the +40 hp peak than many intakes give. Torks $200 intake is 42 hp at redline. DIY short ram intake should be the same.
I had my car on the dyno and did back to back runs with stock airbox then no filter, no airbox at all and no change in HP. ECU didnt adjust.

 

[Kamauxx]

My 0-60 dropped .2 with JT intake with cold air funnel mod. Immediately after intake install the 0-60 did not change. 2 days later it dropped. I think K&Ns dyno is actually low. They probably dynoed back to back without giving the ECU time to adjust.
.1 to .2 0-60 drop is your stop light merging measure. You may not hit 60 but first gear goes to 37.5 mph so in the high 30s you enjoy the +40 hp peak than many intakes give. Torks $200 intake is 42 hp at redline. DIY short ram intake should be the same.
I had my car on the dyno and did back to back runs with stock airbox then no filter, no airbox at all and no change in HP. ECU didnt adjust.

What is the funnel mod you speak of? Are you talking about the loudmouth things?

 

[Tonkabob]

What is the funnel mod you speak of? Are you talking about the loudmouth things?

No the metal funnels that come with the JT intake.

 

[Kamauxx]

No the metal funnels that come with the JT intake.
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Ahhh yea forgot about that.

 

[NS_Stinger]

Anyone running the Tork intakes? The numbers they claim seem insane for what is basically just a airbox replacement with a small elbow. I like that it's a simple setup to add or remove but I don't like the lack of a heat shield.

 

[Joshua]

Anyone running the Tork intakes? The numbers they claim seem insane for what is basically just a airbox replacement with a small elbow. I like that it's a simple setup to add or remove but I don't like the lack of a heat shield.

I had them installed and I love the way they sound. They numbers they posted was why I pulled the trigger, but I honestly couldn't tell the difference from stock in terms of performance.

 

[brancky3]

Anyone running the Tork intakes? The numbers they claim seem insane for what is basically just a airbox replacement with a small elbow. I like that it's a simple setup to add or remove but I don't like the lack of a heat shield.

I think the Stinger engine bay design does a really good job removing hot air and bringing in ambient air; the only time I'd be concerned with heat soak personally would be sitting in traffic (and then I wouldn't really be worried about performance)