How To Bleed Brembo Brakes

[Rynil2000]

I have decided the next planned upgrade on my GT1 is going to be the brake system. After a few hard runs through the mountain twisties over the past two years, the junk NA OEM pads have left their mark (literally) on the rotors and are causing the dreaded vibration. I have give them the temporary fix through aggressive re-bedding, but it's become a more frequent occurrence. With some interest in trying a couple of track days and wanting a better pedal feel and stopping power overall, my goal is to swap out to the Cquence slotted rotors, EBC Yellow Stuff all around, and Stoptech SS lines.

Along with all of the upgrades I'll need to bleed the brakes with some new DOT4 fluid. This is where I had some questions:

1. I am referencing the Kia Stinger CK 2018-2021 Service Manual / Brake Bleeding Procedures document, which lists the steps to do the work. However, the bleed order of the calipers is listed in an odd order. See below:


I've never seen a car that didn't follow the [Normal brake] procedure. Can anyone confirm that this method is accurate?

As a note, each Brembo caliper has two bleed screws. The inner most screw should be bled first, followed by the outer for each caliper.

2. I'd like the make the process a little easier on myself and use a Motive Power Bleeder system.

@scy started a good writeup on Non-Brembo Brake Bleeding and mentions that the model 0107 for Ford/Asian cars fit his reservoir. Can anyone confirm if it is the same fit for the 3.3L?

The Motive Application Guide and some Amazon reviews suggest that it may be, but just looking to see if others had experience on their GT. Inspecting the cap also leads me to think that the 0107 is the correct model so this is less of an issue that the weird bleed order above.

 

[MerlintheMad]

(I'm following to learn something. Thanks.)

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Bled my brakes couple weeks ago, when replacing rotors and pads. Used that picture you provided as a reference. Started with front passenger side. But since i don't have any special equipment for bleeding brakes, used "one man" method. Worked out great. No problems since. Just remember, it will be little softer for first several stops after you bleed them.

 

[Rynil2000]

Just remember, it will be little softer for first several miles after you bleed them.

Why would the pedal feel be softer after changing fluids?

 

[Ohiocruiser]

Why would the pedal feel be softer after changing fluids?

Might be because of the bleeding method i use. But several hard stops usually solve that.

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

#bookmarked

fantastic thread

 

[scy]

I have decided the next planned upgrade on my GT1 is going to be the brake system. After a few hard runs through the mountain twisties over the past two years, the junk NA OEM pads have left their mark (literally) on the rotors and are causing the dreaded vibration. I have give them the temporary fix through aggressive re-bedding, but it's become a more frequent occurrence. With some interest in trying a couple of track days and wanting a better pedal feel and stopping power overall, my goal is to swap out to the Cquence slotted rotors, EBC Yellow Stuff all around, and Stoptech SS lines.

Along with all of the upgrades I'll need to bleed the brakes with some new DOT4 fluid. This is where I had some questions:

1. I am referencing the Kia Stinger CK 2018-2021 Service Manual / Brake Bleeding Procedures document, which lists the steps to do the work. However, the bleed order of the calipers is listed in an odd order. See below:
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I've never seen a car that didn't follow the [Normal brake] procedure. Can anyone confirm that this method is accurate?

As a note, each Brembo caliper has two bleed screws. The inner most screw should be bled first, followed by the outer for each caliper.

2. I'd like the make the process a little easier on myself and use a Motive Power Bleeder system.

@scy started a good writeup on Non-Brembo Brake Bleeding and mentions that the model 0107 for Ford/Asian cars fit his reservoir. Can anyone confirm if it is the same fit for the 3.3L?

The Motive Application Guide and some Amazon reviews suggest that it may be, but just looking to see if others had experience on their GT. Inspecting the cap also leads me to think that the 0107 is the correct model so this is less of an issue that the weird bleed order above.

Kia Parts Now shows two brake fluid reservoir cap part numbers for the Stinger.

58531-B1500 (09/2017 to 04/2020 production)

58531B1500 Genuine Kia Cap Assembly-Reservoir

Genuine 58531B1500 Cap Assembly-Reservoir fits 2015-2024 Kia models. KiaPartsNow offers 58531B1500 for $20.51.

www.kiapartsnow.com

58531-P2100 (04/2020 to present production)

58531P2100 Genuine Kia Cap Assy-Reservoir

Genuine 58531P2100 Cap Assy-Reservoir fits 2018-2024 Kia Carnival, Sorento, Stinger. KiaPartsNow offers 58531P2100 for $16.22.

www.kiapartsnow.com

Both part numbers say that they fit 2.0T and 3.3T cars, Brembo and non-Brembo.

There is a very strong likelihood that the brake fluid reservoirs and caps are identical between the Brembo and non-Brembo cars.

I also found an app that may activate the ABS pump to allow ABS bleeding.

OBD2 Adapter and App That Can Read ATF Temp

I have an OBDLink MX bluetooth adapter and I've looked for an app that can read ATF temperature in the Stinger. I previously tried Torque, Advanced EX for Kia, and others. None of them could read ATF temp. I finally found an app named Car Scanner ELM OBD2 that seems to correctly read ATF...

stingerforum.org

 

[Rynil2000]

Kia Parts Now shows two brake fluid reservoir cap part numbers for the Stinger.

58531-B1500 (09/2017 to 04/2020 production)

58531B1500 Genuine Kia Cap Assembly-Reservoir

Genuine 58531B1500 Cap Assembly-Reservoir fits 2015-2024 Kia models. KiaPartsNow offers 58531B1500 for $20.51.

www.kiapartsnow.com

58531-P2100 (04/2020 to present production)

58531P2100 Genuine Kia Cap Assy-Reservoir

Genuine 58531P2100 Cap Assy-Reservoir fits 2018-2024 Kia Carnival, Sorento, Stinger. KiaPartsNow offers 58531P2100 for $16.22.

www.kiapartsnow.com

Both part numbers say that they fit 2.0T and 3.3T cars, Brembo and non-Brembo.

There is a very strong likelihood that the brake fluid reservoirs and caps are identical between the Brembo and non-Brembo cars.

I also found an app that may activate the ABS pump to allow ABS bleeding.

OBD2 Adapter and App That Can Read ATF Temp

I have an OBDLink MX bluetooth adapter and I've looked for an app that can read ATF temperature in the Stinger. I previously tried Torque, Advanced EX for Kia, and others. None of them could read ATF temp. I finally found an app named Car Scanner ELM OBD2 that seems to correctly read ATF...

stingerforum.org

Thanks for the reply @scy - solid research.

I'm pretty convinced that between your part numbers and me walking out the car and checking that the same power bleeder would work for both engines.

Cool find with the app to bleed the ABS pump. You'll have to follow up if it works.

 

[Hojae84]

Combo below worked great today
Easiest brake bleeding process I've ever done, no rush, no helper needed. fluid wasn't bad 1st flush since getting the car 2018

pressure bleeder:

ARES 70921-2-Liter Manual Brake Fluid Pressure Bleeder​

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CP79C7S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Master Cylinder Adapter​

ARES 18002-50.7mm Master Cylinder Adapter​

Amazon.com: ARES 18002-50.7mm Master Cylinder Adapter - Use with Most Imported and Some Domestic Vehicles - Use with Brake Fluid Bleeders : Automotive

Buy ARES 18002-50.7mm Master Cylinder Adapter - Use with Most Imported and Some Domestic Vehicles - Use with Brake Fluid Bleeders: Brake System Bleeding Tools - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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[JSolo]

^^Why'd you go with the above product over a motive bleeder?

I actually have the motive tool from the last car with the 0107 cap which should fit the stinger.

 

[AusStinger]

I agree with the Motive pressure bleeder being the best way to go.
So easy, and if used correctly, the safest way ( you won't chance getting air in the ABS module ( pain to clear ).

Using the old pump it up, hold it down method is a sure way to a softer pedal and early piston seal failure ( unless you're someone who changes their brake fluid every 24months or less religiously since new. )

BTW, The correct sequence for bleeding all brakes is to start at the caliper furthest from the master cylinder, then the next closest and so on.

 

[Hojae84]

^^Why'd you go with the above product over a motive bleeder?

I actually have the motive tool from the last car with the 0107 cap which should fit the stinger.

No reason just came up first in my Amazon search for a pressure bleeder
I guess the version I got just has an extra fill hole
Whereas the motive hole to fill and pump is same
But really do same thing

 

[Hojae84]

I agree with the Motive pressure bleeder being the best way to go.
So easy, and if used correctly, the safest way ( you won't chance getting air in the ABS module ( pain to clear ).

Using the old pump it up, hold it down method is a sure way to a softer pedal and early piston seal failure ( unless you're someone who changes their brake fluid every 24months or less religiously since new. )

BTW, The correct sequence for bleeding all brakes is to start at the caliper furthest from the master cylinder, then the next closest and so on.

You know I always did furthest to closet on my past cars
But the manual says otherwise I just followed that.
And doing the inner most bleeder first before outer using the manual sequence/order

 

[JSolo]

ref "03 Brake Bleeding Procedure.pdf", page 3

On page 4 they talk about bleeding the ESP unit with the KDS system. I think this is referring to the abs module?

Anyone try this app for the abs?

Non-Brembo Brake Bleeding

I decided to bleed/flush my non-Brembo brakes today because the car was built two years ago. Manual says brake fluid capacity is 0.42 quart (395 ml) of DOT 3 or DOT 4 brake fluid. I bought two 32oz (1qt) bottles of Walmart Super Tech DOT 4 brake fluid at about $6 per bottle. I ended up using...

stingerforum.org

 

[Rev_Night]

Hey I have a motive bleeder, and the attachment that I have is for my previous car (nissan 350z). I measured it last night, it has an external diameter of 2.5", ~63.5mm. Will this fit my 2019 stinger?

 

[Gonzo]

ref "03 Brake Bleeding Procedure.pdf", page 3

On page 4 they talk about bleeding the ESP unit with the KDS system. I think this is referring to the abs module?

Anyone try this app for the abs?

Did anyone ever follow up or answer this question?

Also, is the Motive pressure bleeder safe to use given the above guidance?


One last question. Does using the Motive pressure bleeder work better than gravity and/or pumping the pedal?

Thanks to anyone who knows the answer 's

Gonzo

 

[oddball]

Yes, ESP is their terminology for the ABS pump.
Specifically bleeding the ABS pump is required whenever replacing the ABS pump, and I would want to do that if air is introduced before the ABS unit, such as replacing the master cylinder. It is not necessary if you're just working on the calipers as long as you don't let air into the system all the way back to the pump.

Basically the internals of the pump are fairly complex, so it has to do a diaphragm dance to get the air out.

I'm not personally aware of any cheap/free tools that access Kia/Hyundai ABS, but the search you want is "ABS service for hyundai". Usually you need to get into the higher quality OBDII tools that specifically have ABS service.

Yes, a pressure bleeder is perfectly safe. All methods work just fine, it's just a matter of preference, time, money, and available helpers. Only caveat is I have had difficulty getting air out of a new master cylinder (yes, it was bench bled) when doing pressure bleeding. A combo of pedal and pressure bleeding was necessary on that particular system. But just doing a straight fluid exchange can be anything.

 

[Gonzo]

Yes, ESP is their terminology for the ABS pump.
Specifically bleeding the ABS pump is required whenever replacing the ABS pump, and I would want to do that if air is introduced before the ABS unit, such as replacing the master cylinder. It is not necessary if you're just working on the calipers as long as you don't let air into the system all the way back to the pump.

Basically the internals of the pump are fairly complex, so it has to do a diaphragm dance to get the air out.

I'm not personally aware of any cheap/free tools that access Kia/Hyundai ABS, but the search you want is "ABS service for hyundai". Usually you need to get into the higher quality OBDII tools that specifically have ABS service.

Yes, a pressure bleeder is perfectly safe. All methods work just fine, it's just a matter of preference, time, money, and available helpers. Only caveat is I have had difficulty getting air out of a new master cylinder (yes, it was bench bled) when doing pressure bleeding. A combo of pedal and pressure bleeding was necessary on that particular system. But just doing a straight fluid exchange can be anything.

Thank you !!

 

[Rodtheviking]

Speed bleeders have been great for me on other Brembo equipped cars, I just got a full set for the Stinger and will be adding them when I swap rotors/pads and steel lines.

Brake Bleeder / Brake Bleeding / Speed Bleeder Products / USA

store-speedbleeder-com.3dcartstores.com

 

[JSolo]

Used speed bleeders on the bike. They were great the first few times until the coating wore off. Granted, bike brakes got bleed annually.