GT2 Shifter swap?

[Anden L Schmitt]

Has anyone or does anyone know if I can swap the GT2 shifter + electronic parking button to a shifter like the Gt1 model. I cant stand the parking button nor do I like the fact that I cant manually shift into manual mode, gt2 shift mode is activated by the paddle shifters and than deactivates if no shift happens after 60 seconds, super annoying. I rather like the standard PRND shifters

 

[CeramicGT001]

Has anyone or does anyone know if I can swap the GT2 shifter + electronic parking button to a shifter like the Gt1 model. I cant stand the parking button nor do I like the fact that I cant manually shift into manual mode, gt2 shift mode is activated by the paddle shifters and than deactivates if no shift happens after 60 seconds, super annoying. I rather like the standard PRND shifters

Its definitely not going to be as simple as just changing the handle out. The entire system is electronic in the gt2 compared to the manual mechanism in the other trims.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Lol, you're swimming against the stream of popular opinion: I haven't heard of a GT2 owner until now who wanted the GT1 shifter (though some do covet manual gate).

I understand that the GT2 shift by wire will remain in a manually selected gear as long as you are in Sport Mode; until you come to a complete stop; then a pull on the paddle (either one, I believe) will engage 1st gear again: or, you just take off in "D" (1st gear) and start upshifting right away and you're back in manual mode until you exit by holding back the right paddle, which returns to "D"; or you come to a complete stop again.

 

[Anden L Schmitt]

Yup that's what I hate

Lol, you're swimming against the stream of popular opinion: I haven't heard of a GT2 owner until now who wanted the GT1 shifter (though some do covet manual gate).

I understand that the GT2 shift by wire will remain in a manually selected gear as long as you are in Sport Mode; until you come to a complete stop; then a pull on the paddle (either one, I believe) will engage 1st gear again: or, you just take off in "D" (1st gear) and start upshifting right away and you're back in manual mode until you exit by holding back the right paddle, which returns to "D"; or you come to a complete stop again.

 

[turboAWD]

Lol, you're swimming against the stream of popular opinion: I haven't heard of a GT2 owner until now who wanted the GT1 shifter (though some do covet manual gate).

Well, there ARE those of us who specifically bought a GT1 because of the annoying GT2 shifter.. So, it's not that no one prefers the GT1 shifter - it's just that for those of us who really care about it, we just never bought a GT2 in the first place.

However, the actual physical GT1 shifter is ugly - looks MUCH better with the i30 N shifter in there... And such a quick mod.

 

[Anden L Schmitt]

That's what I was hoping to do, but idk ifnits possible.

Well, there ARE those of us who specifically bought a GT1 because of the annoying GT2 shifter.. So, it's not that no one prefers the GT1 shifter - it's just that for those of us who really care about it, we just never bought a GT2 in the first place.

However, the actual physical GT1 shifter is ugly - looks MUCH better with the i30 N shifter in there... And such a quick mod.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Well, there ARE those of us who specifically bought a GT1 because of the annoying GT2 shifter.. So, it's not that no one prefers the GT1 shifter - it's just that for those of us who really care about it, we just never bought a GT2 in the first place.

However, the actual physical GT1 shifter is ugly - looks MUCH better with the i30 N shifter in there... And such a quick mod.

The "T" shifter is part of the retro GT concept of the interior. That's why Kia included it in most of the trims.

 

[eflyguy]

The GT1 has a mechanical linkage b/w the shifter and the transmission. The GT2 has actuators/servos directly bolted to the transmission, which are controlled by an electronic control system which receives input from the shifter.

If you ripped out the servos and shifter, you could probably rig up a mechanical solution, but I doubt the other control systems would allow the vehicle to operate without the appropriate electrical signals.

You'd be better off trading in your GT2 for a GT or GT1..

 

[Anden L Schmitt]

I think I just cried a little.

The GT1 has a mechanical linkage b/w the shifter and the transmission. The GT2 has actuators/servos directly bolted to the transmission, which are controlled by an electronic control system which receives input from the shifter.

If you ripped out the servos and shifter, you could probably rig up a mechanical solution, but I doubt the other control systems would allow the vehicle to operate without the appropriate electrical signals.

You'd be better off trading in your GT2 for a GT or GT1..

 

[Dia1Up]

But why do they have mechanical linkages at all? I'd imagine all new autos are 100% computer controlled. Hence why we can have drive modes that will have totally different shifting patterns and characteristics, that you adjust via menus or digital switches. Hence why you can get a "mechanical" shifter and still have paddles on many other cars. Or cars that have CVTs with a "mechanical" shifter.

I don't know much, but I do remember something about old non-computerized transmissions using some really cool and very clever completely mechanical way of deciding what gear to be in. But its my understanding, any auto at all that you can manually select a gear in, is computerized. Nothing but a control chip telling what solenoid to flip.

Can anyone give a definitive answer? Maybe someone with a full maintenance manual?

EDIT: After some googling I'm even more confused. From what I can see pretty much any car with an ECU has a computerized auto. With a "solenoid pack" that is controlled by a computer. But many shifter assemblies still have mechanical linkages? That seems a bit redundant to have a whole mechanical linkage system just to flip switches to tell the computer what you want to do. Now I want to know even more heh

Ok I managed to find a 3d diagram. The only mechanical linkage is the parking cable. Ie: the cable that mechanically engages the transmission lock for "Park". Which makes sense from a safety stand point. Other than that, it's completely separate. Just the electrical plug. It looks like it gives you a pin out
I'd post the link, but too new heh.

 

[MerlintheMad]

But why do they have mechanical linkages at all? I'd imagine all new autos are 100% computer controlled. Hence why we can have drive modes that will have totally different shifting patterns and characteristics, that you adjust via menus or digital switches. Hence why you can get a "mechanical" shifter and still have paddles on many other cars. Or cars that have CVTs with a "mechanical" shifter.

I don't know much, but I do remember something about old non-computerized transmissions using some really cool and very clever completely mechanical way of deciding what gear to be in. But its my understanding, any auto at all that you can manually select a gear in, is computerized. Nothing but a control chip telling what solenoid to flip.

Can anyone give a definitive answer? Maybe someone with a full maintenance manual?

EDIT: After some googling I'm even more confused. From what I can see pretty much any car with an ECU has a computerized auto. With a "solenoid pack" that is controlled by a computer. But many shifter assemblies still have mechanical linkages? That seems a bit redundant to have a whole mechanical linkage system just to flip switches to tell the computer what you want to do. Now I want to know even more heh

Ok I managed to find a 3d diagram. The only mechanical linkage is the parking cable. Ie: the cable that mechanically engages the transmission lock for "Park". Which makes sense from a safety stand point. Other than that, it's completely separate. Just the electrical plug. It looks like it gives you a pin out
I'd post the link, but too new heh.

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Welcome to the forum. This question of the difference between "shift by wire" and the physical shifter has never been cleared up for me. But I have to say that any difference is moot because I don't have "shift by wire" (whatever that actually means ), and I get manual gate. (and I happen to like the "T" shifter just fine)

 

[Dia1Up]

Welcome to the forum. This question of the difference between "shift by wire" and the physical shifter has never been cleared up for me. But I have to say that any difference is moot because I don't have "shift by wire" (whatever that actually means ), and I get manual gate. (and I happen to like the "T" shifter just fine)

Heh thanks!

Shift by wire just means there's no *physical* control over the transmission. You just use a shifter to tell the computer what you want to do

It looks like both the shift stick pictured above and the dial are shift by wire. It would be cool if the pins on the connector matched. But that's way over my head heh

 

[MerlintheMad]

So, if the GT2 is the only trim with "shift by wire", how are the rest of "us" shifting?

I've been trying to visualize a difference that makes sense; but obviously, this "moot" distinction hasn't occupied my attention deeply enough to make me motivated to go look for an answer. I draw most of my knowledge from the universe by osmosis (aka being a lazy academic, hah).

 

[Dia1Up]

That's what I'm saying

They BOTH are. One just happens to have a stick thingy to control the switches instead of a little dial. At least as far as I can tell. I'm no expert or mechanic, but if I had to guess from the maintenance diagram, it just has an electronic connector. I'd imagine if the pins match up you might be able to swap for the little dial. **That's assuming there's no ECU differences**

Car makers are here to make money, so they will make things as cheap as possible, which also means a few different parts as possible. So it very well could be the same connector

 

[vipeboy2000]

So, if the GT2 is the only trim with "shift by wire", how are the rest of "us" shifting?

I've been trying to visualize a difference that makes sense; but obviously, this "moot" distinction hasn't occupied my attention deeply enough to make me motivated to go look for an answer. I draw most of my knowledge from the universe by osmosis (aka being a lazy academic, hah).

not getting into why or reasons but it looks like the gt2,(shift by wire) has this module that does the "shifting" instead of the cable.



while the non shift-by-wire does not have this module as you can see the holes where the module/solenoid thingy would attach?


always fun researching these kinds of stuff for me.

 

[Dia1Up]

That's what I'm saying

They BOTH are shift by wire. One just uses a stick thing to flip switches, the other is a dial.

Now the cool thing is, car manufacturers are here to make money. So to reduce costs, they will try and use as many of the same parts as possible... So hopefully the connectors and pins are the same just to swap in ***assuming there is no software differences***



That cable you see is just the transmission locks for putting the transmission in park. That's not a shifting cable. Id imagine that's a safety thing to have a manual override for park. The gt2 needs a solenoid because you aren't pulling the parking lock manually. That's my guess anyways

You have to remember, if it's not shift by wire, what are you shifting? It's not a manual... It's not an old 60s completely mechanical automatic. It is 100% computer controlled. It's a safe guess that anything with a proper ECU is shift by wire

 

[nhcowboy28]

Part out

 

[SmallAxe]

Speaking of the GT2 shifter, has anyone changed the top to one of the after market options? Like the element6 carbon fiber shit knob cover or something similar. Haven't been able to find much on the topic, kinda small in the whole scheme. Was wandering about install and just the feel of it.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Speaking of the GT2 shifter, has anyone changed the top to one of the after market options? Like the element6 carbon fiber shit knob cover or something similar. Haven't been able to find much on the topic, kinda small in the whole scheme. Was wandering about install and just the feel of it.

I know there is a buried thread on swapping shifter knobs. If I recall, the thread was two years ago. And yes, the GT2 knob has been swapped out. I specifically remember a knob from another model being used; I want to say a Genesis knob. I didn't see the attraction myself.

 

[Casey]

Well this thread is exactly what I was looking for, Im curious to see where this goes. I would absolutely love the GT1 shifter function.

When I test drove the car, they didnt have a GT2, so i drove a GT1 and commented at how i was so glad to have a shiftable-shifter again, since my XJ has a stupid dial and forces me to use the paddles. of course the salesman didnt say anything to the contrary.

Fast forward to getting my GT2 delivered, and obviously quickly worked out that i am back to having to use the paddles again.

Im just not sure I want to be the guinea pig for trying this little experiment.