GarageLine Spacers 20mm Front 25mm Rear Photos OEM Wheels

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My winter wheels have a nice offset that became obvious after I switched back to my summers. I've noticed this before and decided to take action. I researched spacers, decided they're safe if installed well and of high quality.

I purchased the GarageLine 20mm/25mm set for the 2018+ Kia Stinger (link below, no affiliate). I installed them today and am super happy. They nailed the look I want. I have driven minimally. I was skeptical when I read that people could feel the difference but when I drove it I could immediately feel a difference. I will feel it out to make sure I'm comfortable. I enjoy tossing around my Stinger. My wife also likes the new look :)


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Full walk-around video (minus a cut to remove my wife's license plate, cover fell off):

2018 Kia Stinger GarageLine Spacers 20mm Front 25mm Rear.mp4


Product Link (no affiliate):

2018+ Kia Stinger GarageLine Wheel Spacers
 
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Sorry, I don't know what you're communicating.
 
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You're going to end up rubbing with those.
 
They're poking...if that's the look you were going for ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
 
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You could immediately feel a difference?
 
You could immediately feel a difference?
That's my question too. Other than rubbing, what would you "feel" exactly, having your tire patches further out by an inch or less?
 
You could immediately feel a difference?

That's my question too. Other than rubbing, what would you "feel" exactly, having your tire patches further out by an inch or less?
Surprising, I know, but hard to describe, truly. I was skeptical when I read that about others feeling different. I don't have a ton of cars under me nor any racing experience to draw from to communicate well, sadly. I felt what seemed to be at first a little more resistance (though my mileage has not dropped yet after a good hard 30m run today), as though the steering was a little heavier, but once I started driving it went away: and during this 30m run and driving to church this morning, the car just feels more planted, more solid, more stable.

At least, that's what my brain is telling me.

You're going to end up rubbing with those.
I do rub, but only with large bumps/compression events. I mounted my insta360 to my fender with a brand new magnet mount (which was rock solid, btw) and I pushed through a couple tight corners with positive banking: no rubbing.

Here's an image of the compression departing my old-school high-bump Ohio driveway.
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Here's an image of the compression of coming up my old-school high-bump Ohio driveway. It looks to me like it's not hitting the paint, but the fender panel inside. I'm going to put in some blue painters tape for my drive to work tomorrow to see what it looks like.

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I get "the look" inducement. But I cannot fathom why you would put up with any rub no matter how slight. Just pull the spacers in to 20 mm in the back. You aren't rubbing at all in front, I gather?
 
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During this drive I started feeling a little vibration in the front end, took it easier, and retorqued everything. The front left spacer nuts were loose, retorqued to 90 ft lbs. If it happens again will contact GarageLine. Insta360 x2 with a dual magnet mount which didn't move at all on its first usage.

 
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I get "the look" inducement. But I cannot fathom why you would put up with any rub no matter how slight. Just pull the spacers in to 20 mm in the back. You aren't rubbing at all in front, I gather?
haven't stuck the camera on the front yet to see. I don't hear or feel any rubbing at any point. Only the camera reveals that it appears to be hitting. I'll put some painters tape in there to see for sure tomorrow on the drive to work.
 
During this drive I started feeling a little vibration in the front end, took it easier, and retorqued everything. The front left spacer nuts were loose, retorqued to 90 ft lbs.
It can be hard to torque them with the wheel off the ground -- you can put a long wrench or other rod through your lug nuts and braced against the ground to lock the fronts in place while you torque.

And thread locker on the spacer threads might give you some peace of mind. I also put a small amount of anti-seize on the flat contact surfaces to minimize the chances of them corrosion-welding themselves on in a few years.

If the rubbing in the rear ends up bothering you, I can confirm zero rubbing or contact with 20mm (and it's as aggressive / flush as I'd want to go).
 
It can be hard to torque them with the wheel off the ground -- you can put a long wrench or other rod through your lug nuts and braced against the ground to lock the fronts in place while you torque.

And thread locker on the spacer threads might give you some peace of mind. I also put a small amount of anti-seize on the flat contact surfaces to minimize the chances of them corrosion-welding themselves on in a few years.

If the rubbing in the rear ends up bothering you, I can confirm zero rubbing or contact with 20mm (and it's as aggressive / flush as I'd want to go).
I realized that's exactly the problem. Had my son step on the brake to lock them down better. I'll take them off when switching to my winters which have an offset. I'm considering thread locker, drive to work today was fine, though.
 
So, it appears that I am not actually rubbing, it just looks very close. No marks on any of the tape.

 
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Surprising, I know, but hard to describe, truly. I was skeptical when I read that about others feeling different. I don't have a ton of cars under me nor any racing experience to draw from to communicate well, sadly. I felt what seemed to be at first a little more resistance (though my mileage has not dropped yet after a good hard 30m run today), as though the steering was a little heavier, but once I started driving it went away: and during this 30m run and driving to church this morning, the car just feels more planted, more solid, more stable.
I have to give you credit for keeping an open mind about other possible "felt" traits. Most folks jut jump straight to touting improved stability... often emphatically stating night-n-day difference.

Unfortunately though, reality is quite the disappointment. Jason at Engineering did a couple of videos on the effects of wheel spacer on handling. The first is more comprehensive and an excellent overview. Highly recommend you spend the time to watch and understand fully.

The 2nd video is specifically on the effect of wider track on lateral stability:

So, improvement with adding 25mm spacers on a Subaru BRZ? 1-2%

Stinger's track width is a few inches wider than the BRZ, so the effect would likely be even less. If you can feel 1-2% improved lateral stability... more power to you.
At least, that's what my brain is telling me.
That's the thing, isn't it? Perception doesn't always correlate to reality. Confirmation bias has a powerful influence over "felt" perception. Most folks very much want what they just spent $$ and effort installing to manifest in tangible improvement... whether it does or not.

Then again, sometime placebo effects aren't always completely without merit. If a mod convinces a driver that there are real and tangible improvement, and if that "perception" imparts the driver with real enhanced confidence... that can - and sometimes does - produce improved driver performance and better driving enjoyment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that sort of effect.



That is... if there are no downsides to that mod. Unfortunately, too much deviation from factory offset means the scrub radius would be way off. That can produce some negative handing traits (see Jason's video for explanation). In a straight line over dry smooth pavement, you probably won't feel any difference. However, next time you get caught in a rainstorm, try driving 1 front wheel over a large puddle. If you feel brave enough, try that while in a turn... and see what your car does.

Also, notice what happens when you hit a bump while in a turn - especially a long tight sweeper - with some speed. Experience enough of these things, and I can just about guarantee you will begin to appreciate why thick wheel spacers on stock rims are not such a hot idea.
 
What is rubbing, then? It's just not where you placed the tape.
I drew that conclusion based on the video, because it LOOKED like it was rubbing; that appears to have been an erroneous conclusion. But I never did feel nor hear rubbing. Still don't.

If you look inside the Stinger wheel well, at least on mine, they are very sharply angled up except for a couple spots where the fasteners hold the liner in place. I placed the tape on those spots, along the wheel well rim, and orthogonally inside. I did not cover the entire interior, true, so there are some spots where it's doing so, but not loud enough for me to pick up on it aurally.
 
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