Fusion Sport

[Ucinn]

Had a run in with a modified (at least exhaust and wheels) one last night. Wasn't much of a competition. First time was getting on the highway and then second was getting on a connecting highway. Both times I let him go first and get the jump, and both times I immediately took away his advantage and started the gap.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

Good to hear. Got a buddy that's been smack talking about his Fusion Sport with a tune. I've mostly dismissed him.

 

[V6TT_FuSport]

Friend here from the Fusion Sport crowd.

According to C&D, the FS (AWD) is 1/2 second slower than the Stinger GT (AWD):

Fusion Sport AWD
0-60 mph: 5.1 sec
¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 101 mph
Weight: 4127 lbs

Stinger GT AWD
0-60 mph: 4.6 sec
¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 108 mph
Weight: 4157 lbs

Got my FS last year as a new '17 leftover, paid $27k US. Two guys on our forum just purchased new '18 leftovers, paid $24k US. Incidentally, no one is really "talking smack" about the Stinger GT on our forum. As a matter of fact, we've been having a pretty healthy debate on the topic. So ...

Just for fun I had to drive a Stinger GT AWD to see what all the commotion was about. My thoughts:

• GT handles flatter in the corners
• GT's extra power is definitely there, but not day/night difference
• GT has great styling
• GT's interior is upscale by comparison
• GT's optional sound system was ok compared to "base" FS 9 speaker system (req adjusting?)
  
• Remote start (a must for cold climate dwellers) is a $500 option, standard on the FS
  
• No base GT's available within 50 miles of my area, all are 48-52k 2018/2019 GT1's/GT2's

All in all, the GT is a very adept/very capable car. But 24-27k for a new FS leftover makes it enticing.

Peace Out.

 

[Devo9er]

I took a good long look at them and considered buying one when they came out but was really let down with the bland styling and so so performance. They needed to make the styling a little more aggressive. I can't tell the difference from the energi/hybrid? version that has a similar front grille style...Who's bright idea was that? Make the performance version look like the econo plug in? Fail. The back at least gets quad exhaust but it's just meh... Another dime a dozen fusion. They're a victim of their own success because there are so many variants on the road, the sport just blends in with the other trims and isn't exciting and is becoming stale. They could have dressed it up a little more; different bumper, hood buldge, brakes + wheels and 50hp+ would help. Maybe put the 3.5 EB in instead or the 3.0L 400hp Lincoln motor... Would have given it way more tuning overhead!

They have some great deals on them no doubt and still a good value but a stinger competitor they are not.

 

[MerlintheMad]

a stinger competitor they are not.

Agree. Fusion is a sedan. There the similarity ends. Straight line acceleration from a dead stop is probably the least important performance consideration. What kind of torque does the AWD Fusion have? What RPM range?

But style and practicality (that commodious hatch!) all go to the Stinger. Handling and tech and features all go to the Stinger.

(Btw, we won't see Fusions anymore in NASCAR, now that coupes can race; NASCAR has assured the two-door will be the only body style seen going forward: they've reinvented TRANSAM is all.)

 

[V6TT_FuSport]

I took a good long look at them ...

Fair enough then. My thoughts ...

"was really let down with the bland styling and so so performance."
I think that 5.1 sec 0-60 is pretty good for a non-attention getting sleeper.

"They needed to make the styling a little more aggressive." True.

"can't tell the difference from the energi/hybrid? version ...Who's bright idea was that?"
Not mine! I asked Ford about it, but they never return my calls. lol

"The back at least gets quad exhaust"
We didn't want to give everything away. ;-)

"it's just meh... Another dime a dozen fusion."
At 24k for new leftovers, that would be $288,000/dozen. Just saying ...

"They're a victim of their own success ... the sport just blends in with the other trims"
Yup, pretty much. I guess success does that to a car. Oh well ...

"isn't exciting and is becoming stale."
Unless of course, you're behind the wheel of one mashing the accelerator. heh heh

"Would have given it way more tuning overhead!"
They're letting owners go to Unleashed for their tuning, 93 tune is ~100+ horsepower.

"They have some great deals on them no doubt ... but a stinger competitor they are not."
At 24k, they don't have to be!

Fusion is a sedan. There the similarity ends.

Really? V6 Twin Turbo? AWD? Guess there's more similarities than you think!

Straight line acceleration from a dead stop is probably the least important performance consideration.

So you got the 2.0 4 cyl Stinger then, right?

What kind of torque does the AWD Fusion have? What RPM range?

Fusion Sport actually makes a tad more torque than the Stinger GT, but at 2,200 rpm higher:

ENGINE TYPE: Fusion Sport
twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve V-6
iron-and-aluminum block and aluminum heads
direct fuel injection

Displacement: 164 cu in, 2694 cc
Power: 325 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque: 380 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm

ENGINE TYPE: Stinger GT
twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 24-valve V-6
aluminum block and heads
direct fuel injection

Displacement: 204 cu in, 3342 cc
Power: 365 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 376 lb-ft @ 1300 rpm

But style and practicality ... all go to the Stinger. Handling and tech and features all go to the Stinger.

True. But to be fair, at a cost of around double the price of a leftover Fusion Sport.

(Btw, we won't see Fusions anymore in NASCAR...)

Wait, first you mention that straight line acceleration doesn't matter (which is a direct indication of a car's power-to-weight ratio), and then you talk about NASCAR?

So, professional motorsports effects what car you buy for the street? Come on now!

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

A couple of things...

Kia has underrated the 3.3L, especially when it comes to torque. So unless Ford has done the same, you're just comapring marketing numbers.

The Ford Fusion is dead.

 

[Ucinn]

I have to agree, when I had that run in with the non stock FS, it wasn't that close. I expected it to be a lot closer for the numbers. I also had seriously considered the FS, but pretty glad I passed on it.

 

[brancky3]

I'm sure it's a decent car and it's definitely a competitor to the Stinger. Yes the Fusion is a bargain for what you get but I personally would never have considered getting one as I absolutely can't stand Ford interiors.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

It's as much a competitor as a Dodge Dart.

 

[V6TT_FuSport]

A couple of things...

Kia has underrated the 3.3L, especially when it comes to torque. So unless Ford has done the same, you're just comapring marketing numbers.

The Ford Fusion is dead.

A few observations ...

So what torque number should I use when comparing the vehicles, yours? lol

Ford Motor company has been around since 1903, the Fusion since 2006.

So kindly chill out on your "dead" talk, ok?

I have to agree, when I had that run in with the non stock FS, it wasn't that close. I expected it to be a lot closer for the numbers. I also had seriously considered the FS, but pretty glad I passed on it.

You keep mentioning "non stock", as if wheels/exhaust add anything to acceleration times.

Tuned Fusion Sports (with no other modifications) are running 12.9's to low 13's dependent on Density Altitude. If the guy you raced was truly "modified" ("tuned"), you would've known it. His nose would have been on yours. That's the truth, but whatever ...

I'm sure it's a decent car and it's definitely a competitor to the Stinger. Yes the Fusion is a bargain for what you get but I personally would never have considered getting one as I absolutely can't stand Ford interiors.

Finally, a respectfully honest statement!

I said in my first post how great the Stinger looked and how sweet the interior was. Plus, I forgot to mention the Stinger GT has an 8 speed trans vs. the Fusion Sport's 6 speed. There's no comparison between the two transmissions. Paddle shifting with the GT was a joy, with the Fusion Sport it was tedious and better left unused. The reality is that the Fusion Sport sits somewhere in between the Stinger 2.0 and GT (leaning more towards the GT, at least in performance).

But I couldn't pass on the bargain. I never bought a new car before that had $8,500 taken off the sticker with no restrictions on how it could be financed with that discount.

Anywho, just want to reiterate I'm a fan of the Stinger GT and am not here to troll. Just saw this thread and thought I'd add some input.

Enjoy your Stingers everyone, and stay safe!

 

[Ucinn]

I keep mentioning non stock because it was non stock. Exhaust on a Stinger does add HP and can be significant depending on What has been done to the exhaust, sorry that exhaust does absolutely nothing for a stock FS.

 

[Ucinn]

Also sorry if I'm hurting your feelings too, but just expressing real time results I had.

 

[Kamauxx]

This has actually gone slightly better than expected, so far.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Agree. Fusion is a sedan. There the similarity ends. Straight line acceleration from a dead stop is probably the least important performance consideration. What kind of torque does the AWD Fusion have? What RPM range?

Really? V6 Twin Turbo? AWD? Guess there's more similarities than you think!
So you got the 2.0 4 cyl Stinger then, right?

I was referring to looks and utility. You can tell that, because then I addressed zero to sixty.

I have the 3.3TT. (see my signature)

Fusion Sport actually makes a tad more torque than the Stinger GT, but at 2,200 rpm higher:

Well there it is, the big difference in moving acceleration utility. If you have to stomp it and wait till another 2,200 RPM kicks in that is not instantaneous enough. Of course, dropping a couple of gears lower could fix that. Anyway. It's good the Fusion has good torque, that'll make it fun in traffic.

But style and practicality (that commodious hatch!) all go to the Stinger. Handling and tech and features all go to the Stinger.

True. But to be fair, at a cost of around double the price of a leftover Fusion Sport.

This is a funny reversal for us: we like to point out how much more you have to pay to get all the goodies the Stinger has if you buy as much in an Audi or BMW. If you loaded up your Fusion with everything we've got, what would the price difference be then?

Wait, first you mention that straight line acceleration doesn't matter (which is a direct indication of a car's power-to-weight ratio), and then you talk about NASCAR?

So, professional motorsports effects what car you buy for the street? Come on now!

I thought twice before segueing to the Fusion in NASCAR, because it was a completely different topic: but you came here with a Fusion: my wife has a 2006 Fusion; and the new rules allowing coupes have brought in the Mustang: bye bye Fusion forever. But obviously racing world stuff did not influence my interest in the Stinger. Wait, that is not entirely accurate either: Nürburgring interests me quite a bit. I must have reread that chapter in the Stinger promo book a dozen times, shaking my head in disbelief. Kia, at the Ring. Heh! Later I "discovered" that a lot of manufacturers take their performance models for testing there, so that they can say what Kia did about the Stinger: "Developed at the Green Hell!"

 

[V6TT_FuSport]

It's as much a competitor as a Dodge Dart.

Tell me please, what color is the sky in your world?

... sorry that exhaust does absolutely nothing for a stock FS.

The first sign that one does not possess sufficient data to support their position is when they divert attention from the points being discussed via irrational comments.

Sad. Disappointed really.

Also sorry if I'm hurting your feelings too, but just expressing real time results I had.

Here's a valuable life lesson:
Feelings and/or emotions can deceive.

I wanted to discuss facts about the two cars, both positive and negative, but for some reason you find this concept wholly disagreeable. Interesting.

I was also convinced a forum, based on owners of higher end automobiles, would attract those possessing a greater level of maturity/intellect. Except for a few respondents, you can imagine my disappointment.

It reminds me that rudeness and arrogance reaches all levels.

But what I will do going forward is this:
I will make sure I do not see in every Stinger owner what I have encountered here.

Because that is what mature people do.

 

[Ucinn]

No, you obviously don't care about facts...I pointed out and there is supporting data right here on this sight that replacing the stock exhaust on a Stinger does in fact increase the performance of the Stinger. I don't know about the FS mods and what they do for that car, so I took your word for it that exhaust/wheels do nothing for performance.

You keep mentioning "non stock", as if wheels/exhaust add anything to acceleration times.

I have a Mustang which I replaced with shorty headers an O/R X and straight pipes back and it increased the low end torque some, so I apologized for my lack of knowledge about the FS not reacting to exhaust mods. That is why I consider it "not stock". I'll be sure to ask him if I ever see him again why he wasted money on mods that give him no gain. Seems like emotions/feelings are being deceptive here.. Let them go and read carefully.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

So kindly chill out on your "dead" talk, ok?

You obviously are not aware of Ford's production plan moving forward... This is what dead looks like:
Here’s when Ford will stop making most of its cars

It's only a matter of time for the Fusion.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

Tell me please, what color is the sky in your world?

Aurora Black.

You?

 

[Regs120]

Unleashed tuning =100+ HP on a FS is also = guaranteed blown engine. There is so much more head room on a 3.3 V6 than compared to the 2.7 V6.