EK1Pro Tune - Sixth Element

[Terry@BMS]

So would this allow for a map suitable for flex-fuel (any combo of 91 / E85 up to full E85), when combined with CPI?

Yes, that is the plan. JB4 only we're a little limited on a few fronts. Once I can also make flash changes in conjunction with what we're doing on the JB4 end, we'll have few limitations.

 

[Baluchitherium4]

Remote unlocking....that sounds awesome! This looks very promising for the stinger community!

 

[AWDGT2]

So would this allow for a map suitable for flex-fuel (any combo of 91 / E85 up to full E85), when combined with CPI?

Yes, I got a tune from Nate labeled E50 but I've run between E27 and E64 without issues at all. I'm not sure about full E85, that would probably take an additional tune.
FYI.. Flex fuel cars have built in sensors, and the ECU can adapt to the fuel it sees. Our Stingers are not there yet. My guess is you can go mid range like I did and you'll be fine with just about anything. E45 is all you really need to meet the Octane requirements to run low 11's or even High 10's without race gas.

 

[turboAWD]

Yes, I got a tune from Nate labeled E50 but I've run between E27 and E64 without issues at all. I'm not sure about full E85, that would probably take an additional tune.
FYI.. Flex fuel cars have built in sensors, and the ECU can adapt to the fuel it sees. Our Stingers are not there yet. My guess is you can go mid range like I did and you'll be fine with just about anything. E45 is all you really need to meet the Octane requirements to run low 11's or even High 10's without race gas.

I see you're running CPI + meth.. My pump says "E70 minimum". I want to fill up STRAIGHT, no mixing.. If that's a no-go, I'll stick to mixing E30 + jb4 - not spending $2K+ to just mix a different ratio - but still be able to run straight 91 on road trips, without having to reflash..

Don't really care about 1/4 mile times - and I'm probably already overpowered for the chassis / tires at Sears Point, Laguna Seca, etc.. Hit the throttle too early, tires spin, AWD transfers power to front, etc..

 

[AWDGT2]

I see you're running CPI + meth.. My pump says "E70 minimum". I want to fill up STRAIGHT, no mixing.. If that's a no-go, I'll stick to mixing E30 + jb4 - not spending $2K+ to just mix a different ratio - but still be able to run straight 91 on road trips, without having to reflash..

Don't really care about 1/4 mile times - and I'm probably already overpowered for the chassis / tires at Sears Point, Laguna Seca, etc.. Hit the throttle too early, tires spin, AWD transfers power to front, etc..

I don't run both WMI and CPI together, ever. If you wanted a full flex fuel car then the Stinger isn't the car. The difference between 91 and E70 is over 10 points of octane. Not many cars can pull that off unless you have the ability to flash your own tunes on the fly. Good luck

 

[AWDGT2]

Thanks for pitching in, I am really looking forward to the hybrid turbo kit.

Ok back to the subject. So how does it work exactly, Sixth will send you an unlocked ECU/TCU and the EK1Pro loaded with a flash tune?

Also,
How does the EK1Pro technically do the flash, through the OBD2?
Is the power source for the EK1Pro the OBD2 or it needs a direct source by tapping a fuse?
How is the quality of the monitor and how does it look installed on the Stinger?
How much are you relying on JB4 Map 6 fine tuning?

Please share as much data as possible, pics/videos if any. Literally, your possibly the only Stinger on the forum with this so we are relying on you

Sorry I missed this earlier. I can answer almost all your questions.
I already had a tuned ECU, well before the EK1 came out. So I bought one and asked Nate if he had any revisions. Within an hour he emailed me a file. He supplies a thumbdrive that also fits a supplied SD card. You simply put the file on the SD card and insert it into the EK1. It connects to the ODBii and powers up. A few menu pushes on the screen and it grabs that file and pushes it to the ECU. Process is about a minute, that easy.
You can Also pull a current load from the ECU and save it as a backup. If you've logged at any point you can Also copy those to the SD card for review and customization.
I'm still hanging on to the JB for fine tuning the ewg and more importantly CPI. The screen is bigger than your phone obviously and I'll try a few short videos of the gauge tomorrow.

 

[turboAWD]

I don't run both WMI and CPI together, ever. If you wanted a full flex fuel car then the Stinger isn't the car. The difference between 91 and E70 is over 10 points of octane. Not many cars can pull that off unless you have the ability to flash your own tunes on the fly. Good luck

Subarus seem to do it pretty easily.

I'm ok if it ends up being 2 different jb4 maps on top of a sxth ecu flash - I can adjust jb4 maps with the wiper setting.

I didn't buy the stinger expecting flex fuel capability. Just stating what would make me happy and make me buy a sxth tune + cpi.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Kind of a Cobb setup here. Device in car, grab tune from ECU, save it. Load new tune, etc, etc. SD card transfer is cool. If you could buy the EK1, with a stage 3 tune on it, and just plug it up and go, that would be incredible. If memory serves, that's how the Cobb works. My son uses Cobb on his GTI and has maybe 4 or 5 different tunes outside of the ones Cobb comes with. I guess remote unlocking would essentially allow the same?

 

[STINGER]

Sorry I missed this earlier. I can answer almost all your questions.
I already had a tuned ECU, well before the EK1 came out. So I bought one and asked Nate if he had any revisions. Within an hour he emailed me a file. He supplies a thumbdrive that also fits a supplied SD card. You simply put the file on the SD card and insert it into the EK1. It connects to the ODBii and powers up. A few menu pushes on the screen and it grabs that file and pushes it to the ECU. Process is about a minute, that easy.
You can Also pull a current load from the ECU and save it as a backup. If you've logged at any point you can Also copy those to the SD card for review and customization.
I'm still hanging on to the JB for fine tuning the ewg and more importantly CPI. The screen is bigger than your phone obviously and I'll try a few short videos of the gauge tomorrow.

Thanks for the reply I am pretty much sold, just waiting for the remote unlock capability.

I presume the TCU flash is the same process and is part of the upcoming remote unlock as well?

Would appreciate if you can inform Nate about this thread and if he would like to pitch in.

With the ECU/TCU remote unlock feature, flash capability and JB4 support this in my opinion is the game changer, especially when going hybrid turbos.

Also, any vids/pics would be appreciated.

 

[AWDGT2]

Kind of a Cobb setup here. Device in car, grab tune from ECU, save it. Load new tune, etc, etc. SD card transfer is cool. If you could buy the EK1, with a stage 3 tune on it, and just plug it up and go, that would be incredible. If memory serves, that's how the Cobb works. My son uses Cobb on his GTI and has maybe 4 or 5 different tunes outside of the ones Cobb comes with. I guess remote unlocking would essentially allow the same?

Yes exactly and from what I hear Nate is close.

 

[GennyGuy]

Thanks for the reply I am pretty much sold, just waiting for the remote unlock capability.

I presume the TCU flash is the same process and is part of the upcoming remote unlock as well?

Would appreciate if you can inform Nate about this thread and if he would like to pitch in.

With the ECU/TCU remote unlock feature, flash capability and JB4 support this in my opinion is the game changer, especially when going hybrid turbos.

Also, any vids/pics would be appreciated.

Would love to have a rep from SXTH here on the forums. Maybe even in a vendor capacity. Will definitely help us all push the platform and community further.

 

[General_Vodka]

Apparently they worked with NKLAB to develop it.

 

[AWDGT2]

Would love to have a rep from SXTH here on the forums. Maybe even in a vendor capacity. Will definitely help us all push the platform and community further.

I sent Nate the link, he should be popping in soon

 

[nathan@sxth]

Hello,

Nathan here, I am the lead calibration engineer at SXTH Lots of good questions so I will try to go over them in a succinct manner.

The EK1 Pro was our first venture into the ECU flashing realm. We worked with NKLAB in Korea to create and manufacture the device and have since started a new joint company to handle all of our calibrations and device development: SXTHNK.

For the Stinger platform we currently operate by unlocking an ECU, be it a spare or original, which then allows us to flash tunes through OBD in a matter of minutes. The EK1 Pro handles all flashes through an SD card and files are stored as an encrypted format...no file sharing!

We also support reading and writing of the TCU (no unlock or spare necessary). The TCU takes about 15 minutes to read, but writing is faster. This will allow you to store multiple TCU calibrations for daily, track, etc. Super handy!

The device is locked to your VIN to prevent you from flashing an unrelated file to another person's car and causing damage. This can be reset if you choose to sell the device.

Lastly, as some have alluded, we are currently testing and finalizing a remote unlock which does not require you to send in your ECU or purchase a spare. The unlock will be applied through OBD, after which you will be able to flash files the same way as the previous method. This will reduce cost for those who do not want to purchase a spare or have the downtime of sending in an ECU.

We work with several people right now for tuning on our platform and hope to add more in the future.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Hello,

Nathan here, I am the lead calibration engineer at SXTH Lots of good questions so I will try to go over them in a succinct manner.

The EK1 Pro was our first venture into the ECU flashing realm. We worked with NKLAB in Korea to create and manufacture the device and have since started a new joint company to handle all of our calibrations and device development: SXTHNK.

For the Stinger platform we currently operate by unlocking an ECU, be it a spare or original, which then allows us to flash tunes through OBD in a matter of minutes. The EK1 Pro handles all flashes through an SD card and files are stored as an encrypted format...no file sharing!

We also support reading and writing of the TCU (no unlock or spare necessary). The TCU takes about 15 minutes to read, but writing is faster. This will allow you to store multiple TCU calibrations for daily, track, etc. Super handy!

The device is locked to your VIN to prevent you from flashing an unrelated file to another person's car and causing damage. This can be reset if you choose to sell the device.

Lastly, as some have alluded, we are currently testing and finalizing a remote unlock which does not require you to send in your ECU or purchase a spare. The unlock will be applied through OBD, after which you will be able to flash files the same way as the previous method. This will reduce cost for those who do not want to purchase a spare or have the downtime of sending in an ECU.

We work with several people right now for tuning on our platform and hope to add more in the future.

Would you be willing to work with someone like Lozic? This would make getting his stuff from Korea much easier and faster to boot, even though its technically not your tune. Just curious about your thoughts on that. Thanks!

 

[STINGER]

Hello,

Nathan here, I am the lead calibration engineer at SXTH Lots of good questions so I will try to go over them in a succinct manner.

The EK1 Pro was our first venture into the ECU flashing realm. We worked with NKLAB in Korea to create and manufacture the device and have since started a new joint company to handle all of our calibrations and device development: SXTHNK.

For the Stinger platform we currently operate by unlocking an ECU, be it a spare or original, which then allows us to flash tunes through OBD in a matter of minutes. The EK1 Pro handles all flashes through an SD card and files are stored as an encrypted format...no file sharing!

We also support reading and writing of the TCU (no unlock or spare necessary). The TCU takes about 15 minutes to read, but writing is faster. This will allow you to store multiple TCU calibrations for daily, track, etc. Super handy!

The device is locked to your VIN to prevent you from flashing an unrelated file to another person's car and causing damage. This can be reset if you choose to sell the device.

Lastly, as some have alluded, we are currently testing and finalizing a remote unlock which does not require you to send in your ECU or purchase a spare. The unlock will be applied through OBD, after which you will be able to flash files the same way as the previous method. This will reduce cost for those who do not want to purchase a spare or have the downtime of sending in an ECU.

We work with several people right now for tuning on our platform and hope to add more in the future.

Thanks for joining and all the details.

Any ETA for the unlock capability?

Any detailed video that goes through the monitor features and menu, install etc?

 

[rpoffen]

Hello,

Nathan here, I am the lead calibration engineer at SXTH Lots of good questions so I will try to go over them in a succinct manner.

The EK1 Pro was our first venture into the ECU flashing realm. We worked with NKLAB in Korea to create and manufacture the device and have since started a new joint company to handle all of our calibrations and device development: SXTHNK.

For the Stinger platform we currently operate by unlocking an ECU, be it a spare or original, which then allows us to flash tunes through OBD in a matter of minutes. The EK1 Pro handles all flashes through an SD card and files are stored as an encrypted format...no file sharing!

We also support reading and writing of the TCU (no unlock or spare necessary). The TCU takes about 15 minutes to read, but writing is faster. This will allow you to store multiple TCU calibrations for daily, track, etc. Super handy!

The device is locked to your VIN to prevent you from flashing an unrelated file to another person's car and causing damage. This can be reset if you choose to sell the device.

Lastly, as some have alluded, we are currently testing and finalizing a remote unlock which does not require you to send in your ECU or purchase a spare. The unlock will be applied through OBD, after which you will be able to flash files the same way as the previous method. This will reduce cost for those who do not want to purchase a spare or have the downtime of sending in an ECU.

We work with several people right now for tuning on our platform and hope to add more in the future.

This is a very nice description of the technology.
Being a software engineer myself, I work closely with firmware and hardware engineers on sophisticated instrumentation, and we use various techniques for reloading firmware and other non-volatile configuration memories. One thing that we design for is robustness during any update process with backup techniques to avoid bricking the device if something goes wrong during any updates.
How safe is your process of unlocking remotely and also flashing the ECU? Is it possible that the ECU or TCU can be rendered non-functional if some unexpected problem occurs during the process?
Thanks

 

[nathan@sxth]

We are willing to work with any tuners, they can apply through our website.

I can't provide an ETAs, but we are testing now. Once we confirm with all testers, we will publish the update.

 

[nathan@sxth]

This is a very nice description of the technology.
Being a software engineer myself, I work closely with firmware and hardware engineers on sophisticated instrumentation, and we use various techniques for reloading firmware and other non-volatile configuration memories. One thing that we design for is robustness during any update process with backup techniques to avoid bricking the device if something goes wrong during any updates.
How safe is your process of unlocking remotely and also flashing the ECU? Is it possible that the ECU or TCU can be rendered non-functional if some unexpected problem occurs during the process?
Thanks

The process of reading is very safe and can be aborted at any time. Writing is another story; it functions in the much same way as UEFI BIOS flashing (for example).

We have built in recovery once the RSA bootloader is unlocked, but before RSA is unlocked the ECU is susceptible to a soft-brick (recovery via JTAG/bootmode is simple).

The only case where you would have an issue is if the checksum was not corrected or if a non-matching file was flashed. These issues also exist on the Hyundai GDS tool, so there really isn't a better way around them.

 

[rpoffen]

The process of reading is very safe and can be aborted at any time. Writing is another story; it functions in the much same way as UEFI BIOS flashing (for example).

We have built in recovery once the RSA bootloader is unlocked, but before RSA is unlocked the ECU is susceptible to a soft-brick (recovery via JTAG/bootmode is simple).

The only case where you would have an issue is if the checksum was not corrected or if a non-matching file was flashed. These issues also exist on the Hyundai GDS tool, so there really isn't a better way around them.

Sounds good.
Thanks!