Can't keep a wheel alignment!

[basysmith]

I've had bad inner toe wear on my rear tyres since lowering. I thought it was camber so bought some adjustable camber arms but it hasn't solved it. I need to tweak the numbers and possible try some subframe bolts.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Im going to put the heat on Kia to find something. The suspension experts did have an observation lets see what Kia have to say. This is the third alignment.

Oz, where did you go? I completely forgot about this.

 

[NYBIOMED]

Normally I would agree with you but after installing the ATQ Subframe Collars on my Stinger recently I was shocked by two things.

1. There is a rather large difference between the bolts O.D. and I.D. of the holes they go through and therefore could allow lateral movement over time. If lateral movement happens, the bolts can become more and more lose. I also noted that there was no thread locking compound on the bolts from the factory.

2. My car has ONLY ~6,000KM on it and although I did the installation for peace of mind, I could instantly, and still can feel the difference which means something has changed ( no it's not in my mind ) It's subtle, but it's there, and it's better.

Mass produced cars are built quite differently now than they were in the past and as such, new / different issues immerge.
Like: Since 2010 car manufacturers are being pushed to more and more to use recyclable materials in their cars, and as such, the plastics that are being used now days are far less resilient ( but much more recyclable ). Great for the planet but not so good for the longevity of your new car.

Anyway, 'if' your Stinger has a moving subframe, there is a solution. If not, it's one thing ticked off your list

I agree with the subframe collars/bolts. I ordered whiteline sways with adjustable end link, well sways are on BO for another few weeks, but I had the ATQ kit installed with the endlinks that did ship, and there is indeed a difference...I want to say 15-20% of the rear wiggles is gone, when the sways get installed it'll button things down completely, but the ATQs with adjustable endlinks do produce a noticeable difference in themselves.

 

[Ozstung]

Oz, where did you go? I completely forgot about this.

I went and got the Super pro camber-caster kit which apparently straightens things out. It doesn't change the camber though.

Two weeks in and the pull to the left has completely gone. Took the car to the capital a 1200km round trip couldn't be happier.

 

[byebyeSTI]

step 1 , get subframe collars
step 2 , get a real alignment at a real shop .

this was my fix for what you are describing

 

[Tarmacturtle]

I went and got the Super pro camber-caster kit which apparently straightens things out. It doesn't change the camber though.

Two weeks in and the pull to the left has completely gone. Took the car to the capital a 1200km round trip couldn't be happier.

I have a new stinger i picked up last week.
It pulls to the left too I have taken it back 3 times to two different kia dealerships and tyrepower and had 3 different alignments and each say it was out and adjusted it but still it does exactly the same thing pulling to the left.
I have looked at that camber kit and now thinking about taking it to fullcrum to get installed.

 

[NYBIOMED]

+1 Subframe collars and bolts, one of my very first mods.

 

[Ozstung]

I have a new stinger i picked up last week.
It pulls to the left too I have taken it back 3 times to two different kia dealerships and tyrepower and had 3 different alignments and each say it was out and adjusted it but still it does exactly the same thing pulling to the left.
I have looked at that camber kit and now thinking about taking it to fullcrum to get installed.

Superpro camber kit 100% its what i had to get. The specialist said the Stinger has a built in pull to the left which he said isn't uncommon. Also mentioned Camry's and Aurion's being that way.

 

[SKStinger]

Another +1 for the Subframe collars. I had 2 alignments done in 1 year due to uneven tire wear in the front. It was out of spec every time i'd go in and I don't drive the car in the winter so i'm not hammering potholes.

Installed the ATQ subframe bolts and went for an alignment after. It's been almost 2 years now without an alignment. Tires are wearing evenly.

The camber kits would bring your alignment into spec but keeping it there could be an issue. That's where the ATQ subframe bolts have made a difference. Less/no slop in the subframe keeps the alignment dialled in.

 

[SKStinger]

Superpro camber kit 100% its what i had to get. The specialist said the Stinger has a built in pull to the left which he said isn't uncommon. Also mentioned Camry's and Aurion's being that way.

Is this the kit you have?

Front Radius Arm To Chassis Mount Bush Kit - Caster Adjustable Kia Stinger

Control arm bushings form the vital pivot and link between all core suspension components. SuperPro's 'offset' bushing options introduce additional positive caster into the front end suspension geometry. With a small but significant change the additional caster delivers several benefits...

superprousa.com

 

[Boogetsbizzy]

Kia Stinger - ATQ Subframe Chassis Collar Kit

These brand new ATQ subframe Chassis Collars make a night & day difference in the way your Kia Stinger feels when doing day to day driving. Used to correct the chassis basic geometry by filling the gap between the subframe bolts, subframe, and the cars chassis bolt holes. In stock with free...

www.k8stingerstore.com

Has anyone used these? I’m thinking about installing.

 

[bfglitch]

Kia Stinger - ATQ Subframe Chassis Collar Kit

These brand new ATQ subframe Chassis Collars make a night & day difference in the way your Kia Stinger feels when doing day to day driving. Used to correct the chassis basic geometry by filling the gap between the subframe bolts, subframe, and the cars chassis bolt holes. In stock with free...

www.k8stingerstore.com

Has anyone used these? I’m thinking about installing.

I'm guessing you didn't see the post 2 up from yours

Installed the ATQ subframe bolts and went for an alignment after. It's been almost 2 years now without an alignment. Tires are wearing evenly.

 

[Boogetsbizzy]

I'm guessing you didn't see the post 2 up from yours

Wow not sure how I missed that one haha

 

[Tarmacturtle]

Is there a retailer in Australia where I can order the ATQ subframe colars and bolts from?

 

[Ozstung]

Is this the kit you have?

Front Radius Arm To Chassis Mount Bush Kit - Caster Adjustable Kia Stinger

Control arm bushings form the vital pivot and link between all core suspension components. SuperPro's 'offset' bushing options introduce additional positive caster into the front end suspension geometry. With a small but significant change the additional caster delivers several benefits...

superprousa.com

Yep thats the kit I've got.

 

[Realist_Sting3r]

Yep thats the kit I've got.

did that help because my right caster is off by 0.8°

 

[Ozstung]

Yes its finally working a lot of it had to do with my passenger rear shock absorber failing .Not that any of the suspension "Experts" found it.

So far fingers crossed it stays straight.

 

[Realist_Sting3r]

Thats

Yes its finally working a lot of it had to do with my passenger rear shock absorber failing .Not that any of the suspension "Experts" found it.

So far fingers crossed it stays straight.

Thats good to hear I recently got the caster kit installed last weekend and my wheel is now straight again.

 

[SRV]

Yes its finally working a lot of it had to do with my passenger rear shock absorber failing .Not that any of the suspension "Experts" found it.

So far fingers crossed it stays straight.

I'm glad you finally got that straightened out!

 

[Ozstung]

I'm glad you finally got that straightened out!

What a relief so much wasted time and money and Kia didn't pick it up with their machine that was designed to test each corner. I said "Is that normal that there's an extra 52kg over the back rear passenger wheel?" They said they didn't expect the weight distribution to be equal. What are these guys being payed for!