brakes improvement?

[RLittle]

The Stinger is a much heavier/longer/more powerful car. I'm not at all surprised the Alfa handles better.
I agree that the suspension is a bit soft on the Stinger, and I say that driving on the countries worst roads in NJ.
I bet the Stinger with Eibach sways handle a bit better, but the Alfa rocks.

Since I don't track my Stinger, i'd ask how fast an Alfa is on the back of a flat bed on it's way back to the dealer once again to fix whatever broke this time.

 

[Manaz]

The same inespecific formula:
Stainless steel brake lines
Better brake fluid with higher boiling point
Drilled, slotted and ventilated brake rotors
Maybe a Brembo calipers with one piston more than the OEM???

Drilled rotors don't help.
More piston won't help if the current number of pistons isnt a limiting factor (and zi really doubt it is).
You also missed better/different pads. They can make a world of difference - if you're worried about track performance, you select pads that are designed to be most efficient at higher temps. Road pads need to work from cold, track pads can sacrifice cold performance for better performance when heated up.

 

[Dochidalgo]

Agree, and???

 

[Ruturaj]

So OP, you want to upgrade your brakes because some article says so, not because you felt they are inadequate?

 

[cranman]

Heres my story- 8k miles in shop for break issue, tech sees no issue. just under 12k back in shop for brake issue- tech duplicates issue and resurfaces rotors. 16k car in shop same brake issue- dealer says i have to pay for resurfacing, Kia VIP care says they can authorize resurfacing but nothing else. I am now moving onto brake performance grooved rotors and brake pads from Khartunerz, also going to have braided cables installed while at the shop. Sad that its a known issue and KIA is turning their head.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Sad that its a known issue and KIA is turning their head.

You've posted this twice now that I know of. Kia isn't lying down on the job. They are handling case by case. There isn't a TSB on the brakes of the Stinger because the problem does not affect that many vehicles. Look at how few members here have joined in the discussions/threads on brake issues. Most cars are satisfactory to their drivers. Some drivers have a lower expectation of "brake feel" or they don't feel that anything is wrong with their brakes, where others driving the same vehicles would be going "WTF is this!?" But the bottom line is that Kia does not have an actual TSB issue going on here. Some pads (in a batch?) are apparently less functional, and if/when these are brought in, Kia resurfaces the rotors and replaces the pads as necessary.

 

[itguy61]

You've posted this twice now that I know of. Kia isn't lying down on the job. They are handling case by case. There isn't a TSB on the brakes of the Stinger because the problem does not affect that many vehicles. Look at how few members here have joined in the discussions/threads on brake issues. Most cars are satisfactory to their drivers. Some drivers have a lower expectation of "brake feel" or they don't feel that anything is wrong with their brakes, where others driving the same vehicles would be going "WTF is this!?" But the bottom line is that Kia does not have an actual TSB issue going on here. Some pads (in a batch?) are apparently less functional, and if/when these are brought in, Kia resurfaces the rotors and replaces the pads as necessary.

Are you on any of the facebook Stinger groups? I see a lot more people posting about brake problems on the Facebook Groups.

 

[Kamauxx]

Are you on any of the facebook Stinger groups? I see a lot more people posting about brake problems on the Facebook Groups.

Kia has sold over 45k Stinger between SK, Europe, and North America. This forum has under 8k members and of those probably less than 75% are owners and under 15% active posters. Less than 2% of worldwide Stinger owners actively post on this forum. Using the mentions of brake issues here as a gauge for how many people are experiencing problems is a horrible way to determine how widespread the problem is (or isn't).

Most people don't even get on the internet to talk about problems with their car. They just go straight to the dealership to have it diagnosed and repaired.

This issue is certainly widespread enough for Kia to issue a bulletin about it instead of leaving the handling of it up to each individual service adviser.

 

[Ruturaj]

Sometimes I just forget how many stingers are actually sold and expect every stinger driver I see is from the forum.

Humans do have problems imaging when bigger numbers are involved.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Are you on any of the facebook Stinger groups? I see a lot more people posting about brake problems on the Facebook Groups.

There are likely far more Stingers with brakes that work just fine. Most of the fora respondents are on more than one forum. So the incidence of "reporting" is skewed by duplication.

Kia has sold over 45k Stinger between SK, Europe, and North America. This forum has under 8k members and of those probably less than 75% are owners and under 15% active posters. Less than 2% of worldwide Stinger owners actively post on this forum. Using the mentions of brake issues here as a gauge for how many people are experiencing problems is a horrible way to determine how widespread the problem is (or isn't).

I've posited that "90%" of the forum's members are owners; or soon to be, on here discussing issues/concerns before buying. I think that asserting "less than 75% are owners" is too low.

Pointing out that 15% of the forum's members are active posters just underscores the theory that few drivers have brake or other issues. A higher incidence of issues would naturally raise participation percentages. Silence from the majority either means Stinger drivers don't care, or they can't notice what they are not experiencing.

If less than 2% of worldwide Stinger owners are on this forum, that indicates a lack of issues with their cars, since this forum's posts come up on top with any Net search phrase like "Kia Stinger brakes vibrating" Kia Stinger brakes vibrating - Google Search or "kia stinger warped rotors", etc.​

Most people don't even get on the internet to talk about problems with their car. They just go straight to the dealership to have it diagnosed and repaired.

That is a valid point. I consider that if people experience an issue, e.g. paint flaws/failures, they'll hop on the net to find out about others having the same issues. But the low numbers of membership, on even this the (known) largest Net Stinger forum, could indicate that most owners don't even think about finding a group online to search for information.

But the corollary could be that most Stingers don't have issues, so their drivers don't turn to the Net to find out about something that they are not experiencing. From where we sit, there is no way to find out which is the truth: few owners get on the net to get answers; or few Stingers have issues.

Most members on this forum come here to engage over making their cars unique, i.e. to discuss modding questions and so forth. The active members are a majority of modification enthusiasts.

This issue is certainly widespread enough for Kia to issue a bulletin about it instead of leaving the handling of it up to each individual service adviser.

"Certainly" is not shown. Possibly or probably I can agree with.

At what point does a manufacturer have an ethical obligation to issue a TSB? The wire harness TSB involved a huge number of cars within the established time frame when the assembly was flawed. We've hypothesized that a "batch" of OE brake pads might have been low grade. Not likely, given the sporadic nature of vibrating brake issues. Mostly it has to be how some/many drivers use the brakes. So handling cases as they come in remains the policy, especially if the brakes are still under warranty. Kia does "wait and see", not TSB unless the incidence is obviously their fault from the point of manufacture.

 

[eflyguy]

There might be another category of owners who are simply tired of the discussion and don't feel this is an issue worth discussing further. I would fall into that category. I've had vibration. I know why and it was easily remedied - and I shared that here. I've also had it on my Sorento - although nobody is complaining about "faulty" brakes on that.

 

[MerlintheMad]

There might be another category of owners who are simply tired of the discussion ...

How could they be tired of a discussion that they never engaged in? All it takes is one post on the topic of "faulty" brakes and "you're in". Your participation would count as a percentage of the forum's membership who have voiced their dissatisfaction. You don't have to keep talking about it after that.

 

[eflyguy]

I did, and my comments seemed to go ignored. I don't think there's anything "faulty" about the brakes on the Stinger.

 

[NICK_KHAR]

Weve got the widest variety of options available for the Stinger from mild to wild

The average person will do well with the Stoptech Street pad

Brakes

Link above^^

 

[itguy61]

Nick it sure will be nice when we can do a set, as in front and rear, instead of having to stay on the crap stock rear pads. And Merlin, my only comment is that forums tend to attract enthusiasts of which the majority of Stinger owners may not be. Enthusiasts are way more interested and involved and tend to be more vocal and picky.
I searched the Stinger Owners group in Facebook using the search term "brakes". There are numerous people having the issue. Way larger number of people than here. This seems to not be a problem for everyone but it is common. It has even been reported in the automotive press where a couple of publications had the issue during their extended tests.

My point is that there are enough people having the problem to warrant some type of solution from Kia USA. My service advisor at the dealership stated they are seeing this more and more and people are getting upset due to it happening repeatedly and frequently just beyond the 12K warranty period.

 

[NICK_KHAR]

Nick it sure will be nice when we can do a set, as in front and rear, instead of having to stay on the crap stock rear pads. And Merlin, my only comment is that forums tend to attract enthusiasts of which the majority of Stinger owners may not be. Enthusiasts are way more interested and involved and tend to be more vocal and picky.
I searched the Stinger Owners group in Facebook using the search term "brakes". There are numerous people having the issue. Way larger number of people than here. This seems to not be a problem for everyone but it is common. It has even been reported in the automotive press where a couple of publications had the issue during their extended tests.

My point is that there are enough people having the problem to warrant some type of solution from Kia USA. My service advisor at the dealership stated they are seeing this more and more and people are getting upset due to it happening repeatedly and frequently just beyond the 12K warranty period.

Rear pad deigns have already been completed Just waiting on the actual shipment to come in

 

[MerlintheMad]

And Merlin, my only comment is that forums tend to attract enthusiasts of which the majority of Stinger owners may not be.

The majority of Stinger owners are not going to be enthusiasts. That seems reasonable to assert.

I searched the Stinger Owners group in Facebook using the search term "brakes". There are numerous people having the issue. Way larger number of people than here.

Yes, that would be expected since Facebook attracts millions of users and we have less than 8K members over here. Bigger forum, bigger response/reporting. This forum can be used as a model of Stinger owners worldwide since we have members from everywhere. Anyway, it's all we've got.

My point is that there are enough people having the problem to warrant some type of solution from Kia USA. My service advisor at the dealership stated they are seeing this more and more and people are getting upset due to it happening repeatedly and frequently just beyond the 12K warranty period.

Kia is responding. There are more reports here of brakes getting replaced beyond the 12K warranty. I think we'll see more of that. And finally a TSB is likely, unless the case by case handling of extended warranty work addresses the problem adequately.

 

[Ruturaj]

Aren't we mixing two things in discussion?

As per some people, brakes are not adequate. But for an average rider they are adequate.

Vibrations under braking can be felt by anyone not only by enthusiasts.

I think it's an issue for more than few, I am very light on my brakes (mostly use engine braking and let off the gas very soon) but at 6500 miles I started noticing vibrations.

 

[RLittle]

I am typically light on brakes also and I get them as well.

When it happens, I take the car up to 60 and stop relatively hard to 20 and repeat about 4 times and the vibes subside.

 

[Brews]

www.hyundaipartsdeal.com seems to have them for around $215/axle. Didn't check on shipping costs..

I tried this website today and the Euro spec pad numbers Ty posted were discontinued. Any idea what's going on with these? My Kia dealer also said the numbers were no shown in their database, but I think that was confirmed in a previous post.