Paul32
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Stinger vs. Infiniti Q50 Redsport
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There is so much feelings in your post? Lol. Says the guy that literally a few post ago said and I quote, "More premium materials to the touch? Why would someone want to touch that interior in the first place?"
That sounds like you have more feelings and emotional attachment to the Stinger. It sounds like you are almost border-line butt-hurt that someone actually said the Infiniti interior has better materials.
Hatred? Dude. All I said was the Infiniti Q50 has a better interior quality and materials than the Stinger then a whole lot of you started getting your panties twisted. But yeah, my post was obviously hated filled.
Ugly or not - that isn't the point of my post. My post was that the materials and the interior quality of the Infiniti is better than of the Stinger. We can debate on looks all we want but that's subjective. What's not is the material. The fact that you are refusing to even debate on the topic of the quality of the interior shows you are already made up your mind and refusing to even acknowledge this.
The Q60 and Q50 interior uses similar material is my point.
I was actually trying to. I literally listed out reasons why I think the material of the Infiniti Q is better than the Stinger. Willing to actually debate on this. However - majority of the members here - just refuse to and just say "I'm hating" or "I'm emotional." Its quite funny.
I just read the Jalopnik article and I pretty much agree with everything they said.
The power is good.
The infotainment system is outdated.
The handling is horrible with DSA. Majority of people out opt of the DSA from what I read.
The car isn't worth over 55K. (Note: No one buys this thing over 55K too. You buy it during December or March for 40-45K OTD)
If you read my comments, these are all the things I have said.
Secondly - Jalopnik didn't call the interior outdated. They called the tech outdated. Maybe they merged the two together? Perhaps? Not sure. Jalopnik furthers my point - they addressed the interior quality. They didn't claim it was amazing nor did I. But from their words - Jalopnik claims the interior is pretty decent overall. IE: They gave it some credit and took some back.
My post has always been and still is the Q50 RS and Stinger both have good to decent interiors - the Infiniti Q50 just feels more premium at the end of day. This - this was the main point and this for some reason got people so twisted.
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Let me requote, what I said, "Maybe they merged the two together? Perhaps? Not sure."
I was referencing they could have merged the interior and the tech together to call the interior outdated. If this, and only this, is what they are doing then I agree. As I previously stated before, the only "tech" within the car that is actually outdated is the infotainment system, no e-gear, and no electric e-brake. Other that - the Infiniti Q50 RS tech interior is pretty much run of the mill standard.
Please, Mr. I'm not about emotions/feelings (but yet you took the time to screen shot a picture, edit the picture with a line, and post it here)
lets hear your opinions on why you think the interior is outdated. I keep seeing you calling outdated but without actually addressing your reasons.
Side note: The Japlonik writer's opinions on the Audi is ridiculous at best. As a owner of the B7 A4, B8 S4 and currently B9 S4 Audi. The writer is smoking out of his ass if he thinks the B8 or B7 interior is equivalent or better than the Infiniti Q50 RS interior.
Was the B7 A4 interior good for its time? It was okay. I thought the Lexus IS/Infiniti G/Acura TSX of the same year had better interiors. The B7 A4 interior was junk, to be honest. But I was an Audi-fan so I got one. But is it equivalent to the Infiniti Q50 RS interior like hes suggesting? F no.
Was the B8 S4 interior good? Better than the B7 for sure but it still feels like the B7 but just more modern. Overall, during my ownership, I felt the B8 interior was decent at best. There was a bunch of cheapo plastic everywhere. But is it the equivalent and better than the Infiniti Q50 interior? No.
Only the B9 A4/S4 interior is better than the Infiniti Q50 out of all the generations of the A4/S4s. The writer was throwing shade at Infiniti for saying previous gen Audis are better.
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Thank for at least posting a reason. So your reason is because it looks like a 10 year old Hyundai?
To be real with you - the interior design looks nothing alike. The only thing that's similar is that side vent stripe that's on both cars and that's it. Just because Infiniti used the similar side vent stripe design as the Hyundai did 10 years ago doesn't mean the interior design is "outdated". Note: I said similar - the left vents don't go down for the Infiniti - it transitions into soft padded leather on the side of the console while the right side flows into the actual center console. The Hyundai design doesn't do this. On top of that, the Infiniti is actually using real aluminum on those pieces while the Hyundai wasn't.
By your logic - every BMW/Porsche interior design would be outdated because they all look pretty much the same.
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There are other cars with a pretty similar layout around the same time. It was kind of the trend 10 years ago. The trend has evolved since then, but maybe Infinity didn't get the update.
There are other cars with a pretty similar layout around the same time. It was kind of the trend 10 years ago. The trend has evolved since then, but maybe Infinity didn't get the update.
I'm confused by this. Just because the Infiniti Q50 RS one similar style que from cars designed from years ago - that makes it outdated? Nothing else on the Infiniti Q50 RS looks like the cars back in the day other than the those side vent stripes you pointed out.
Look - I'm not saying the Infiniti Q50 RS interior is the beauty queen of all car interiors but its pretty good.
But do feel like like you are almost nic picking the Infiniti to make it seem outdated to fit your narrative. It would be similar to if I nic picked the KIA Stinger's small infotainment screen. No car north of 40K-50K offer a screen that small anymore. The trend is large screens.
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If you don’t want to get stung don’t put your hand in a hornets nest!
We love our cars, yes.
We do make comparisons but we don’t want to turn the forum into a state where the forum ideal is lost in a thread about another car.
I think you have got my opinion by now. It’s not that youre not welcome but it appears you are asking Pro Stinger owners about other cars they don’t really care about.
It’s like going into a ford dealership and saying I don’t want to buy your car but I think Nissan makes better cars. The outcome is obvious.
We love our cars, yes.
We do make comparisons but we don’t want to turn the forum into a state where the forum ideal is lost in a thread about another car.
I think you have got my opinion by now. It’s not that youre not welcome but it appears you are asking Pro Stinger owners about other cars they don’t really care about.
It’s like going into a ford dealership and saying I don’t want to buy your car but I think Nissan makes better cars. The outcome is obvious.
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Well, I am not the only one saying it. You seem to have a very good argumentation to defend your case, so maybe try sending an email to Jalopnik and ask them why they think so too.
(Personally I don't care if it is dated if it is good looking)
For me the only edge the Q50 400 has over the Stinger is 35hp on the spec sheet, and maybe less plastic here in the interior. That's it for me. The rest.. name any category and the Stinger will beat it.
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I love your Stinger and hornet example. Made me laugh. +1
I really didn't mean any ill. I browsed this forum to learn more about the Stinger and decided to post on this thread to start a debate. What I really wanted was just a chat with some Stinger owners feel. I didn't expect such a high level of defense. I mean - if people insult my Audi S4 small tablet screen, I would agree. The Audi after thought tablet screen is stupid af. Its like Audi engineers forgot about it and glued it on last minute. I wish I could rip it off.
Thanks for the compliment. I really only feel that its only fair we shouldn't nic pick design ques from the pass to prove a car is outdated. If we did that, we would be calling a lot of cars outdated.
I wouldn't call the KIA Stinger interior outdated, its modern. But if we nic pick similar design ques, one could literally call the KIA Stinger outdated too. The aluminum piece that flows through the radio switches and across the steering wheel and the passenger dash was done before. The 2004 Acura TSX had something similar but just a thicker piece. Similarity - this can be done in a different style in the 2011 Lexus CT as well.
What I'm trying to say is - many many cars share design ques from across time and used in a different way. This doesn't make something outdated. An outdated interior should subject to materials and tech.
I feel like Jaloponik thinks its outdated because of the tech rather than the design.
I would like to point out that the VR engines in the Infiniti Q50 are highly underrated. The Infiniti Q50 RS is likely to have more than 400HP/350TQ. Dyno videos on YouTube of this proves it.
Because of this - I think the Q50 edges out the Stinger in performance.
And yes - the Q50 will have a bit less plastic and a more premium feel. This isn't to take anything away from the KIA Stinger. Given the price - the Q50 should have a more premium.
I mean... a few other categories I would give to the Q50 are:
Brand: Ehh. Infiniti isn't prestige like MB but we can admit they are more prestige than KIA.
Dealership experience: Off chance you service your stinger and you walk away with a KIA Rio loaner. I have argued for the Stinger at launch that Hyundai eff up 1 thing. They should have Genesis badge this Stinger. This car would have definitely given the Genesis brand some edge.
MPG: (Stinger: 19/25 \\\ Q50 RS: 22/26)
Stinger definitely best the Q50 in:
Utility
Tech
Uniqueness (Lets be real - no one is gonna stare at a Q50. Its too run of the mill even for the RS design)
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Its all ok, just tread lightly here as some people can be upset. I understand where you are coming from but we are a tight bunch here and usually a spoonful of honey goes a lot better than a spoonful of vinegar. I wish you luck on your quest for information and ultimately the purchase of your new car.
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A car purchase is a personal thing for most. Some people do it for practical reasons, some for emotional reasons, while some want to impress friends and family and others just want something they enjoy driving. I'm sure there are other reason out there as well. While KIA designed teh KIA to compete with the Germans, they did so at a price point that will undercut them. The materials may not up to the same level as those guys but the majority of the touch points are nicely done and makes it a nice place to sit. Which anyone chooses is based on personal preferences. I've been a fan of Infiniti when they first came out but the recent models aren't my cup of tea. It's lovely outside to look at which is what got me to go into the store to check it out. I din't like the interior design so I didn't even bother to test drive it. I spend the majority of my commute behind he steering wheel and look at the dash day in and day out and I prefer the way KIA has done things for the past few years.
I actually was in a BMW 535 M-Sport which broke down a few times and once stranded me in NY. After the repair, it seems like I was at the dealer a couple of time s month, in the beginning it wasn't an issue as I got pretty good loaners a few days to a weeks at times and I really wanted to keep that car. I went to get a used one and ended up with a new one that was loaded with the things I wanted and a couple others that were nice to have, the 20 way seats were nice but I never could find a comfortable setting. I got tired of the car being in the shop so I went looking for something reliable (had my experience with Audi and knew folks with MB so I wasn't going there). The Optima caught my eye and it drove well, ended up going with a hybrid though (story for another time). 3 hybrids in, I still prefer KIA to the other brands. Yeah, they aren't a luxury brand but for what you get on the upper trim Optima and up, they are close without the cost and potential headaches.
The Stinger is a new thing for KIA, with design and engineering from some top Germans (which is why it looks and drives like one) and mechanicals from the Koreans (yes, they tend to go their own way with building engines, transmission and infotainment system for their vehicles). They have a good warranty and do their best to resolve issues that crop up, typically in the next year, not next design cycle. If someone likes the car, I tell them to get one, if not get what you like. In the end no amount of debate matters if you end up not happy if you chose something based on what someone else says. My suggestion, test drive them as much as you want, spend time checking them out and see what works for you then make your decision.
I actually was in a BMW 535 M-Sport which broke down a few times and once stranded me in NY. After the repair, it seems like I was at the dealer a couple of time s month, in the beginning it wasn't an issue as I got pretty good loaners a few days to a weeks at times and I really wanted to keep that car. I went to get a used one and ended up with a new one that was loaded with the things I wanted and a couple others that were nice to have, the 20 way seats were nice but I never could find a comfortable setting. I got tired of the car being in the shop so I went looking for something reliable (had my experience with Audi and knew folks with MB so I wasn't going there). The Optima caught my eye and it drove well, ended up going with a hybrid though (story for another time). 3 hybrids in, I still prefer KIA to the other brands. Yeah, they aren't a luxury brand but for what you get on the upper trim Optima and up, they are close without the cost and potential headaches.
The Stinger is a new thing for KIA, with design and engineering from some top Germans (which is why it looks and drives like one) and mechanicals from the Koreans (yes, they tend to go their own way with building engines, transmission and infotainment system for their vehicles). They have a good warranty and do their best to resolve issues that crop up, typically in the next year, not next design cycle. If someone likes the car, I tell them to get one, if not get what you like. In the end no amount of debate matters if you end up not happy if you chose something based on what someone else says. My suggestion, test drive them as much as you want, spend time checking them out and see what works for you then make your decision.
More for my cousin. Because hes not really that into cars but hes trying to get into it. I'm pretty much an Audi person for life. I owned the horrible B7 A4 Audi - says a lot about me. Lol.
Good write up. Definitely a useful post for my cousin. +1 Thanks for that. I do agree - you should always be happy with what you buy and no amount of reviews, forums or suggestion can decide that. This is why in the pass - I got the B7 A4 even though the interior was total ass.
Oh man. I'm sorry about your BMW woes. BMW is just horrible at reliability. Not saying Audi and MB is great but they are slightly better than BMW at the end of the day. Definitely - if reliability is your cup of tea and Japanese cars don't offer you anything you want. The Korean brands are the way to go. They have gotten way more reliable over the years and their warranty is pretty much second to none.
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Thanks. I didn't like it when it first came out, never even went to look at them until years later, after that the looks grew on me but the interior was pretty nice and the drive/handling was fantastic. If it had no issues, I would still have it well, the Stinger would make me give it up as it just looks so much better (in my eyes) to other cars on the market. With the talent Genesis/Hyundai/KIA has now, they will only get better and soon things will go from "Oh, it's a KIA" to"Yep, it's a KIA!"
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Design is strictly a matter of opinion. As far as construction and materials, I can't comment on as I've never been n one.
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I agree , but from a design perspective that linear stacked centre colums looks like they said lets do somethong different for the sake of being different , it certainly doesnt look intuitive or functional ( my neighbour has one and wished she'd bought a Stinger! ) form should follow function ...................
imho !!
As a current owner of a sportish 2015 KIA Forte Turbo, based off my limited exposure and experience with the Stinger, below are the following reasons why I am leaning towards the Q50. Don't get me wrong, the Stinger is a good car and a fresh breathe of air. However, as I tend to keep my cars forever, therefore I have a very stringent selection criteria and a very particular eye for vehicles.
Primary Considerations,
*Interior Design (I'm not a fan of pop up displays and more importantly the stinger lacks a premium design. It just doesn't look plush, whereas the Q50 feels like you are cocooned in wrap-around luxury. The Stinger interior feels extremely cold and sterile by comparison)
*Interior Quality (No comparison here - The Q50 interior is typical Japanese luxury which means high quality surfaces and a very comfortable and plush cabin that will age well and hold up incredibly well over time, in 10yrs time the Q50 interior will still look and feel nice, I can assure everyone here the same cannot be said for the Stinger)
* Paint Quality (Stinger's paint job looks dull even in the showroom, and all the premature wear and tear the owners are experiencing with the paint reaffirms this view. There was a red stinger in the showroom and It just didn't gloss, sparkle and pop out like the way it should with a car of this class. Instead the paint gave the Stinger a very dull "plastic" look)
* Longevity (The Infiniti is a tried and proven formulae and the Japanese produce cars with the best drivetrains, engine and overall longevity and they're generally easy to work on)
*Age (The Q50 will age more gracefully inside and out than the Stinger)
Below are my secondary considerations,
*Compromise (I have driven plenty of cars, and every time I compare the Camry/Accord to Optima/Sonata, or Forte/Elantra to Corolla/Civic the former brands always drive better, I'm talking about power delivery, overall road holdings and balance. I clearly feel with Koreans - the overall ride and handling are always too compromised, either it's too hard and sporty or too floaty. There is no balance, this may impress the reviewers who spend 2 hours with the car, but for someone who will be living with the cars for years to come, it's not good. It's the same with power, the Koreans have a tendancy to overrate their power and the delivery of power is not smooth like the way Japanese vehicles - i.e transmission, throttle calibration, shift points, power management etc etc)
At the end of the day a vehicle is made up of thousands of different components and it's fair to say the Japanese have mastered the art of making all those components work in harmony to produce a more satisfying end product for the driver.
Primary Considerations,
*Interior Design (I'm not a fan of pop up displays and more importantly the stinger lacks a premium design. It just doesn't look plush, whereas the Q50 feels like you are cocooned in wrap-around luxury. The Stinger interior feels extremely cold and sterile by comparison)
*Interior Quality (No comparison here - The Q50 interior is typical Japanese luxury which means high quality surfaces and a very comfortable and plush cabin that will age well and hold up incredibly well over time, in 10yrs time the Q50 interior will still look and feel nice, I can assure everyone here the same cannot be said for the Stinger)
* Paint Quality (Stinger's paint job looks dull even in the showroom, and all the premature wear and tear the owners are experiencing with the paint reaffirms this view. There was a red stinger in the showroom and It just didn't gloss, sparkle and pop out like the way it should with a car of this class. Instead the paint gave the Stinger a very dull "plastic" look)
* Longevity (The Infiniti is a tried and proven formulae and the Japanese produce cars with the best drivetrains, engine and overall longevity and they're generally easy to work on)
*Age (The Q50 will age more gracefully inside and out than the Stinger)
Below are my secondary considerations,
*Compromise (I have driven plenty of cars, and every time I compare the Camry/Accord to Optima/Sonata, or Forte/Elantra to Corolla/Civic the former brands always drive better, I'm talking about power delivery, overall road holdings and balance. I clearly feel with Koreans - the overall ride and handling are always too compromised, either it's too hard and sporty or too floaty. There is no balance, this may impress the reviewers who spend 2 hours with the car, but for someone who will be living with the cars for years to come, it's not good. It's the same with power, the Koreans have a tendancy to overrate their power and the delivery of power is not smooth like the way Japanese vehicles - i.e transmission, throttle calibration, shift points, power management etc etc)
At the end of the day a vehicle is made up of thousands of different components and it's fair to say the Japanese have mastered the art of making all those components work in harmony to produce a more satisfying end product for the driver.
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