Vibration When Braking

OEM rotors are fine. They're Brembo. If you get all giddy over slots and holes that's alright. I have over 70,000 on my original brakes and never a hint of shudder. But I tend to drive more toward the hypermiling end of the spectrum. Downhill conditions require the correct way to use the brakes, which is a stiff, brief application to reduce speed and let off, repeat as required to maintain speed. That will not heat up the brakes.
Unfortunately the brakes heating up aren't the issue, it's a byproduct of the airflow issue I think is the culprit. As I say in my reply yes the rotors are fine, they don't warp. But where they are not fine is they don't shed the dust causing an uneven surface that brings on the shudder. This was reproduced with the kia brakes, low dust ceramics and one other brake set that I lost the name for lol.

Yes you can fix it if you want to re-bed the brakes every 2k miles, but that process puts a giant strain on your braking system not to mention destroying the life of your brakes. So your not wrong the Brembo rotors are holding up by not warping, but they fail the car because they retain the dust that leads to the issue.

Trust me I tried it all, even having Kia replace the brakes and rotors for a fresh start, same result. It also says something when there own service manager comes out and says replacing the rotors will inevitably lead to the same result.

To sum it up, I would rather have a car that doesn't shake, has nothing to do with getting gitty over the new look. It's been a year ride that has come to a close and unfortunately the only solution to gain my enjoyment back of the car is to ditch the rotors. I have seen a possible other solution is euro brakes, although they are squeaky, no thanks. And I live in the US so no thanks again to the price. Not to mention I am not buying my 4th set of different brakes to try to make stock rotors work that obviously are the issue.
 
The air theory is def a hypothesis as I have no way to say it's 100% the issue
Kia advertised this as being, completely dealt with...

This is from a 2018 advert directly from Kia.

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I am not buying my 4th set of different brakes to try to make stock rotors work that obviously are the issue.
You are on your third set of brakes in how many miles? And your new slotted, drilled rotors are c. 3,000 miles old. There isn't anything flawed about the Stinger's airflow, as pointed out in the post above mine. This was all part of the designed in performance characteristics with the brakes. Somehow you trashed the OEM rotors such that only by rebedding them every couple of thousand miles could you obtain relief from shuddering. Did you ever try resurfacing them?
 
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You are on your third set of brakes in how many miles? And your new slotted, drilled rotors are c. 3,000 miles old. There isn't anything flawed about the Stinger's airflow, as pointed out in the post above mine. This was all part of the designed in performance characteristics with the brakes. Somehow you trashed the OEM rotors such that only by rebedding them every couple of thousand miles could you obtain relief from shuddering. Did you ever try resurfacing them?
I started this at 12k miles, I am at 25k miles now, technically my 4th set of brakes and 1 set of rotors. The first set was a replacement of brakes and rotors from kia shortly after I bought the car at the start of vibrations about 500 miles in. Yes they were resurfaced after replaced. About 2 brake pads sets later is when I called the Kia tech and was forwarded to the manager who said that the rotors could be replaced but the problem would resurface. It's a bold statement to completely disregard that there is an obvious problem with the stock setup despite all the recorded incidents.

This is a forum for people seeking a fix, not to be told that what fixed there problem won't help others, because you are wrong. To say it's how people drive is irrelivent because a driving environment is ever changing.
 
Kia advertised this as being, completely dealt with...

This is from a 2018 advert directly from Kia.

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Well I unfortunately have a 2022 Stinger and I can tell you, it is not fixed lol. Kia also says there is nothing wrong with the braking system and us not in need of a recall sooooo.... yea.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
I started this at 12k miles, I am at 25k miles now, technically my 4th set of brakes and 1 set of rotors. The first set was a replacement of brakes and rotors from kia shortly after I bought the car at the start of vibrations about 500 miles in. Yes they were resurfaced after replaced. About 2 brake pads sets later is when I called the Kia tech and was forwarded to the manager who said that the rotors could be replaced but the problem would resurface. It's a bold statement to completely disregard that there is an obvious problem with the stock setup despite all the recorded incidents.

This is a forum for people seeking a fix, not to be told that what fixed there problem won't help others, because you are wrong. To say it's how people drive is irrelivent because a driving environment is ever changing.
I didn't say that your fix is "wrong". I am saying that your input isn't revelation, it's just anecdotal. Somebody will read your theory and try out new aftermarket rotors and drive away happy as a clam. Others will have issues still and air not getting to the rotors won't make sense for them either way, or it will. We can argue anecdotal evidence day after day. In fact, the number of threads on brakes is just exactly that. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Well I unfortunately have a 2022 Stinger and I can tell you, it is not fixed lol. Kia also says there is nothing wrong with the braking system and us not in need of a recall sooooo.... yea.
What exactly would KIA recall for? Free replacement of pads and rotors? They know that there is no universal issue with the Stinger's brakes system, so, no fix-all by replacement. There would be no end of carping over dissatisfaction with the recall.
 
While this might contribute, I don't think it can be the primary cause. How many people have reported brake vibration, and how many of those are regularly using smart cruise on long downhills?

The fact that it happens to US cars which are known to use a softer/quieter pad material, and that switching to other pads seems to resolve it, makes me think it's primarily the compound (probably combined with the weight & performance nature of the car --> probably more heat than these pads might see in other uses).

At ~25k miles I've noticed the occasional mild pulsing, but one or two moderate brake applications (maybe 6/10, nowhere near threshold) from cruising speed cleans them right up, so I'm sure it's tied to driving style.
For the 1st paragraph: I think it might be a *lot* of people who use smart cruise to just set the car at a given speed and let it run--especially when not driving spiritedly. But that being said I don't think it's necessarily *the* major cause. Anecdotally (not tested control vs variable), we have a 16% downgrade hill near where I live with a 25mph limit that I don't take too often, but think that it too might cause issues. I'll look into it.

The fix is as you say, of course. Re-bedding the brakes scrapes off the pad deposits because of the additional pressure, and not causing the rotors to come to a complete stop means that additional material is not transferred unevenly. I think that if the brakes are ridden and lightly applied, there's not enough pressure from the pads to cause that uniform material transfer layer--especially if the pads and rotors get hot from long periods of friction contact.

I never intended that this was *the* cause, but a major contributing factor; as well as a possible fix if you (royal you) do brake overly gently for long periods of time or rely on the smart cruise control to maintain speed: Don't brake too lightly over long distances and don't rely on smart cruise control to maintain your speed while it's braking. Instead downshift and apply the brakes periodically (which I think most of us were taught to do before cruise control--especially cruise control which also slows the car down, became a thing).
Guess that can be a thing in a perfect world, but most times I nor morst people get the opportunity for perfect braking situations especially with long commutes, or even small ones for that matter. The air theory is def a hypothesis as I have no way to say it's 100% the issue, although it's the best I can come up with especially with how easily the dust accumulates even with low dust brake solutions. Air flow would make more sense though if it's a cold temp issue too though as the dust would still collect :(

I do use the cruise at times as well so you may have something there too, but I can tell you that even with using cruise with the new rotors the problem has not re-surfaced thank the car gods. So hopefully my trial and error can help end the pain I had to go through to get the win with little effort for people just starting out with this frustrating situation.
I think the Stinger has decent (not perfect) airflow through the front wheels. The brakes are much better than some of my other cars but I do think that the shuddering is the result of some design flaws.

Having slotted/dimpled/drilled rotors would provide an interface where the hot brake pad surface which lays down the deposits becomes scraped off should help the issue, but I think the trade-off is that your pad life suffers. More airflow might help in keeping stuff cool but I think that if the brakes are engaged lightly over a long period of time it exacerbates the issue--especially with stock rotors and pads. Aftermarket pads could help (my Z26 pads are much more resilient that the stock pads, but not perfect), and I think different rotors can mitigate the issue (neither hurt at all ;)), but the core I think is not braking lightly for long periods of time like the car was programmed to do.

All of this is of course observation and conjecture at this point. The only think I've experienced is that on a long highway descent, letting the car coast, downshifting, and braking in firmer pulses doesn't accumulate the deposits as readily as letting smart cruise maintain speed. I'd still have the flesh out slower speed descents, etc.
 
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