Help buying a GT1

[Poisns1]

In the market for a 2022 GT1. I'm trying to swing the sale without having to take out a loan. My second choice is a Maserati Giulia. I test drove the Giulia and while it doesn't quite have the brawn of the twin turbo V6, it is a pretty potent and very refined car. They must not be doing well sales wise either because they offered 7K off sticker without even trying. I'm pretty sure based on the conversation that we could probably get close to 10k, maybe a bit more off sticker if we really haggled.

That said and based on recent purchases here, does anyone think I can get near an O.T.D. price of about 36K on a MSRP of $45,510?

 

[DTD]

I think it depends on where you go dealer to dealer can make a difference, but trying to knock off 9K for a 22 GT1 does not seem likely. In my area the Stingers are priced at MSRP and above. I was looking at a 22 G70 3.3 AWD and it was listed at 46K then they bumped it up to 51 K. The dealer was even trying to sell the 5 base G70's with the 2.0 motors for 50K talk about price gouging. If people would stop paying these ridiculous prices the dealers would have to lower the prices. In my area there are Stingers to be purchased but the Audi A4's are pretty much gone just handful.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Maserati Giulia?

 

[Poisns1]

Meant Alpha Romeo. I believe they are tied to Maserati? We test drove at the dealer which was an Alpha/Maserati dealership

 

[StingertimeNC]

ha! OK, will let you off the hook for that. I do like the Giulia, but I want the 600HP one! Although, reliability seems to be an issue...that and price!

 

[Poisns1]

ha! OK, will let you off the hook for that. I do like the Giulia, but I want the 600HP one! Although, reliability seems to be an issue...that and price!

Agreed. That one also has the Ferrari power plant. They refer to that one as the "Cheap Mans Ferrari"


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[jthrelf]

Those Giulias have always caught my eye, though for no real reason it didn't even really enter into the equation when purchasing the Stinger. Kinda curious how they drive.

But for the money and on paper I think the Stinger is the better buy.

Deals are tough to come by in today's market unfortunately. You can figure MSRP or a couple grand below + Kia's rebate at the time which have been trending about $1500 lately. Good luck!

 

[DTD]

Those Giulias have always caught my eye, though for no real reason it didn't even really enter into the equation when purchasing the Stinger. Kinda curious how they drive.

But for the money and on paper I think the Stinger is the better buy.

Deals are tough to come by in today's market unfortunately. You can figure MSRP or a couple grand below + Kia's rebate at the time which have been trending about $1500 lately. Good luck!

I have seen that $1500 rebate but what I have seen with it is market adjustment which when applied makes the purchase price higher than MSRP.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I have seen that $1500 rebate but what I have seen with it is market adjustment which when applied makes the purchase price higher than MSRP.

You simply have to want the car above all other considerations: dealers will apparently cut the price down, then sneak as much back in as they can possibly get away with. Even the good ones do this if it is ethical, i.e., not out and out lies, just industry standard practice. Knowing this well ahead of time, I went in prepared to buy the car for what they asked, because I could afford it and I wanted a Stinger after that test drive (and a winter of reading about it). Almost the first words out of their mouth were: "We take $2,995 off the top". Okay, that sounds good. When they trotted out the lease incentive, I realized that our plan to pay cash was a mistaken notion: Kia did not want cash, they wanted us to lease: the dealer was only going to add a further $500 to their $2,995 discount for cash: I was amazed. So, we went the lease incentive route. But three months later bought the lease out (saved all that lease rent).

You have to want the car: if that isn't your top priority, then you are playing some other mind game with each other.

 

[jthrelf]

I have seen that $1500 rebate but what I have seen with it is market adjustment which when applied makes the purchase price higher than MSRP.

In my case I just had to painstakenly negotiate that crap down. This was back in late May and they had 7 or so Stingers on the lot so maybe nowadays it wouldn't be possible. I just didn't leave until they got into reality.

 

[MerlintheMad]

"Reality": so subjective: so changeable due to circumstances. I would accept the same deal now that I did back in March 2018, so, my reality hasn't changed. Do you want the car? That's the question needing an answer. Are you incapable of getting what you want because of pride of the "kill"?

 

[Poisns1]

I'm interested in the car but I never pay dealers what they want. Never have, never will. I bought the last 6 cars brand new with cash. It's so much easier than trying to deal with their whole "how much can you afford per month" crap and then there's the finance bs.

See, I see plenty of supply around me and, almost no demand. When that happens, it's a "buyer's" market. It's a sellers market when it's just the opposite. The local dealer has 16 Stingers on the ground. If they were selling hot, they wouldn't have 16 sitting on the lot.

So it's really based on getting the best deal I can. Why pay a penny more than you have to? If the car was scorching hot, in high demand and almost no supply, I wouldn't have honed in on a Stinger.

"In my case I just had to painstakenly negotiate that crap down."

This is exactly what I do. I'm extremely patient and I'm not one of those "gotta have it now" kind of guys. Because of this, I almost always get my car for my price. I've just started negotiating so I wanted to know "real world" what kind of discounts were obtained recently on the forum. I did read into the lease then buy idea and not opposed at all, but like it's been said lately it's not worth it based on what they are currently offering. I do see that they have $1500 Kia Cash out there; maybe they will get a bit more aggressive toward the end of the year if all these cars are still sitting on the lots.

I may not get anywhere near 36K OTD, but I'm definitely not paying anywhere near sticker. I'm thinking that late December, right before Christmas would be a great time to stroll in the dealership with checkbook in hand. Who's looking to buy a new car Winter right before Christmas? This has always been a favorite time of mine to buy..

 

[stoopid]

I may not get anywhere near 36K OTD, but I'm definitely not paying anywhere near sticker. I'm thinking that late December, right before Christmas would be a great time to stroll in the dealership with checkbook in hand. Who's looking to buy a new car Winter right before Christmas? This has always been a favorite time of mine to buy..

December 2020 I got mine for about $5k off. That was a decent deal then, but haven't seen many 2022's since with that much knocked off. Pricing crept up with the elimination of the plain GT model (only GT1 and GT2 now) which hasn't helped on top of actual or hyped vehicle stock shortages.

I'm with you on negotiating, especially when a dealer has so many on the lot. But $10k off would have been a stretch even when things weren't randomly chaotic in the market.

The Giulia is a nice looking car and offers okayish performance (I'd also want the bigger 500hp engine/quadrifoglio), but I could never daily drive a brand with such notoriously poor reliability.

 

[monusa]

The Giulia is a nice looking car and offers okayish performance (I'd also want the bigger 500hp engine/quadrifoglio), but I could never daily drive a brand with such notoriously poor reliability.

Not trying throw shade on your choice but regardless of cash or not, Giulia dealers will never beat the Kia warranty unless you pay way extra. I like that car as well but many of my car buddies have been way down on it's build quality and reliability. I have even read of someone test driving one and the darn thing quite during the drive. That would scare the crap out of me. I am sure that is not the norm but in that case, one is enough to make me look elsewhere.

 

[Poisns1]

Yeah thanks for the advice guys and I do agree with both of you. The Alpha is notoriously terrible dependability wise, that's partially why I targeted the Stinger. I know 36K OTD was prolly not reasonable but I'm hoping that my max target of 40K OTD would be in the ballpark. Only time will tell. One think I learned, you gotta start out low because you can never negotiate backwards!

Might make a visit with my checkbook to make the 40K OTD offer (45k sticket give or take) and see if they jump. I can always just leave with the money in the bank and check back at the end of they year to see if incentives, inventory and dealers moods have changed.

 

[monusa]

Yep.

 

[jthrelf]

https://youtube.com/c/KevinHunter

Check out the Kevin Hunter channel on YouTube. Tons of good videos & tips for purchasing cars. (Btw one of his guidelines is to never say you're paying cash up front and he explains why).

 

[zetatai]

See, I see plenty of supply around me and, almost no demand. When that happens, it's a "buyer's" market. It's a sellers market when it's just the opposite. The local dealer has 16 Stingers on the ground. If they were selling hot, they wouldn't have 16 sitting on the lot.

Just curious... where is your 'local'? I'm also shopping (and in no rush), but around here (Pacific Northwest) there probably aren't 16 Stingers combined between the 10 closest dealers (Portland, OR area). Of note, none of these dealers are moving the Stingers they've got.

 

[Poisns1]

Florida, Tampa area. Tons of them within 100 mile radius

 

[metalrocker22]

I think it depends on where you go dealer to dealer can make a difference, but trying to knock off 9K for a 22 GT1 does not seem likely. In my area the Stingers are priced at MSRP and above. I was looking at a 22 G70 3.3 AWD and it was listed at 46K then they bumped it up to 51 K. The dealer was even trying to sell the 5 base G70's with the 2.0 motors for 50K talk about price gouging. If people would stop paying these ridiculous prices the dealers would have to lower the prices. In my area there are Stingers to be purchased but the Audi A4's are pretty much gone just handful.

I have a Scorpion coming in that isn't sold, we are doing MSRP. A lot of dealers are over MSRP though in my area