Fusion Sport

[WRXtoStingerGT]

My bone stock gt1 awd did 13.006 at 106mph at 1200 miles. Hehe

7 tenths slower looks like a gap

I forget where I read it but stock Stingers (3.3 of course) can get sub 13-second quarter mile times. Not sure if it's the RWD or AWD versions but of course which tires you get from the factory make a big difference too!

 

[MerlintheMad]

I forget where I read it but stock Stingers (3.3 of course) can get sub 13-second quarter mile times. Not sure if it's the RWD or AWD versions but of course which tires you get from the factory make a big difference too!

Stock Stingers almost never break below 13 seconds. It's about optimal conditions, and tires.

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

Stock Stingers almost never break below 13 seconds. It's about optimal conditions, and tires.
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Oh wow!! Well then... so you're saying a Stinger GT with the right tires could get a sub 13-second quarter mile though right? In ideal conditions of course... My Stinger GT has RWD and the summer performance tires from the factory. That is a better setup than AWD for the quarter-mile correct? Due to drive-train loss I believe...

 

[Kamauxx]

Oh wow!! Well then... so you're saying a Stinger GT with the right tires could get a sub 13-second quarter mile though right? In ideal conditions of course... My Stinger GT has RWD and the summer performance tires from the factory. That is a better setup than AWD for the quarter-mile correct? Due to drive-train loss I believe...

It's due to weight. In stock configuration the extra traction provided by the AWD system is a detriment to the quarter mile time. Once the horsepower is increased the AWD Stinger will be faster than RWD because loss of traction will be a bigger issue than heavier weight.

 

[DoctorStiches]

Well well well i guess my driving is just that good hahahaha i was .006 away from a 12.999

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

It's due to weight. In stock configuration the extra traction provided by the AWD system is a detriment to the quarter mile time. Once the horsepower is increased the AWD Stinger will be faster than RWD because loss of traction will be a bigger issue than heavier weight.

Makes sense! Thank you for explaining!

So that's why people who wish to push into the 400 horsepower range or higher prefer the AWD platform to the RWD platform for our cars?

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

Well well well i guess my driving is just that good hahahaha i was .006 away from a 12.999

You're a pro!!

 

[Jayphil]

Makes sense! Thank you for explaining!

So that's why people who wish to push into the 400 horsepower range or higher prefer the AWD platform to the RWD platform for our cars?

It all depends what you want to do and your driving still / habbits.

I am pretty sure that with proper tire setup and good driver, a tuned RWD Stinger will still beat an equally tuned AWD Stinger at a track / circuit.

On the other hand for Drag strip I would vote for AWD and this is incrementally true the more the HP goes up.

Same goes for Street because of different road conditions, weather condition a tuned AWD will "win" in average because of its consistency and predicability. For me predicability is important for high HP/torque car on the road have a look fail Mustang video and you will know what I mean. I prefer to sacrify some driving dynamic of a RWD car for the predicability of the AWD car with still good driving dynamics.

I a coming from FWD cars in my early days to AWD front heavy Audi to RWD based AWD...

Others will think differently though based on their experience and preferences.

 

[Kamauxx]

Makes sense! Thank you for explaining!

So that's why people who wish to push into the 400 horsepower range or higher prefer the AWD platform to the RWD platform for our cars?

Right. However, I was speaking of drag strip/red light to red light type of races. I don't know much about circuit courses, which is what Jayphil is discussing.

From a dig, given two Stingers, one with RWD and one with AWD that have equal mods (let's assume tuned, intake, and exhaust), same tires, the AWD Stinger will beat the RWD Stinger because of the added traction. On the highway things could go the opposite direction, thanks to the lower weight of the RWD car.

My Stinger was RWD. My current car is AWD. I will personally never buy another RWD performance car. The off the line traction difference just can't be beat.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Oh wow!! Well then... so you're saying a Stinger GT with the right tires could get a sub 13-second quarter mile though right? In ideal conditions of course... My Stinger GT has RWD and the summer performance tires from the factory. That is a better setup than AWD for the quarter-mile correct? Due to drive-train loss I believe...

I don't know. That 13.1 rates as about the quickest 1/4 mile time I've heard of for a stock GT, which I assume was RWD. Here's the deal: in nearly all situations, 0-60 is going to the AWD (talking stock, here), but 1/4 mile the less weight of the RWD is going to win vs the AWD. So, ripping light to light on the streets (i.e. not ideal traction conditions) is going to favor the AWD.

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

I don't know. That 13.1 rates as about the quickest 1/4 mile time I've heard of for a stock GT, which I assume was RWD. Here's the deal: in nearly all situations, 0-60 is going to the AWD (talking stock, here), but 1/4 mile the less weight of the RWD is going to win vs the AWD. So, ripping light to light on the streets (i.e. not ideal traction conditions) is going to favor the AWD.

Makes sense. I saw this with my WRX for a while.

Right. However, I was speaking of drag strip/red light to red light type of races. I don't know much about circuit courses, which is what Jayphil is discussing.

From a dig, given two Stingers, one with RWD and one with AWD that have equal mods (let's assume tuned, intake, and exhaust), same tires, the AWD Stinger will beat the RWD Stinger because of the added traction. On the highway things could go the opposite direction, thanks to the lower weight of the RWD car.

My Stinger was RWD. My current car is AWD. I will personally never buy another RWD performance car. The off the line traction difference just can't be beat.

You don't miss the fun of throwing around a RWD car though? I loved my WRX but it was so well planted that you couldn't have fun at times haha!

It all depends what you want to do and your driving still / habbits.

I am pretty sure that with proper tire setup and good driver, a tuned RWD Stinger will still beat an equally tuned AWD Stinger at a track / circuit.

On the other hand for Drag strip I would vote for AWD and this is incrementally true the more the HP goes up.

Same goes for Street because of different road conditions, weather condition a tuned AWD will "win" in average because of its consistency and predicability. For me predicability is important for high HP/torque car on the road have a look fail Mustang video and you will know what I mean. I prefer to sacrify some driving dynamic of a RWD car for the predicability of the AWD car with still good driving dynamics.

I a coming from FWD cars in my early days to AWD front heavy Audi to RWD based AWD...

Others will think differently though based on their experience and preferences.

I've driven all three drivetrains (granted, my FWD experience was in the family's base Camry Le) and would say the most "fun" was in my E36-M3 which was both very light and rwd... I find my Stinger (rwd) pretty fun too even though it's a boat...

 

[DoctorStiches]

I don't know. That 13.1 rates as about the quickest 1/4 mile time I've heard of for a stock GT, which I assume was RWD. Here's the deal: in nearly all situations, 0-60 is going to the AWD (talking stock, here), but 1/4 mile the less weight of the RWD is going to win vs the AWD. So, ripping light to light on the streets (i.e. not ideal traction conditions) is going to favor the AWD.

Dont forget my portland international raceway drag time. It was a warm spring night and i beat a drag mustang II just at the finish.
Edit : obviously a very preped surface can improve 1/4 mile times

 

[MerlintheMad]

Dont forget my portland international raceway drag time.

I did forget. Remind us, please.

 

[DoctorStiches]

I did forget. Remind us, please.

Ill scream it to the mountains!

13.006 at a whopping 106mph

She did the same time a few runs and i stopped trying to hit 12 but if i pulled the spare out hahahahaha

Edit: lauch control, same throttle imput (wot), same small hicup as our launch control is not race spec, but she turned alot of heads.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Ill scream it to the mountains!

13.006 at a whopping 106mph

She did the same time a few runs and i stopped trying to hit 12 but if i pulled the spare out hahahahaha

Edit: lauch control, same throttle imput (wot), same small hicup as our launch control is not race spec, but she turned alot of heads.

Wow. .4 faster than the "world's greatest drag race" finish. That last .7 to get you into the 12s, though, is going to kick your trash stock. Unless you strip.

 

[DoctorStiches]

Wow. .4 faster than the "world's greatest drag race" finish. That last .7 to get you into the 12s, though, is going to kick your trash stock. Unless you strip.

Wait seriously!? I was excited at the time but assumed (in april or may 2018) there were faster times already and didnt make an internet deal about it i hope your not joshing me!!!

 

[MerlintheMad]

Wait seriously!? I was excited at the time but assumed (in april or may 2018) there were faster times already and didnt make an internet deal about it i hope your not joshing me!!!

It'll be a fluke of "perfect storm" conditions for you to break 13.0 with a stock 3.3TT: I think I've read on here of it happening, I think, and that was two years and more ago; and the assertion was questioned and never proven. (If that isn't throwing down the gauntlet, nothing is .)

 

[Oryan]

I really want to say I remember seeing sub-13 slips from stock Stingers on here.

 

[Kamauxx]

I really want to say I remember seeing sub-13 slips from stock Stingers on here.

Both Car & Driver and Road and Track reported results of 4.4 0-60 and 12.9 1/4. Both RWD.

And I also recall a few sub-13 second stock cars posted here.

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[Nocostinger]

It all depends what you want to do and your driving still / habbits.

I am pretty sure that with proper tire setup and good driver, a tuned RWD Stinger will still beat an equally tuned AWD Stinger at a track / circuit.

On the other hand for Drag strip I would vote for AWD and this is incrementally true the more the HP goes up.

Same goes for Street because of different road conditions, weather condition a tuned AWD will "win" in average because of its consistency and predicability. For me predicability is important for high HP/torque car on the road have a look fail Mustang video and you will know what I mean. I prefer to sacrify some driving dynamic of a RWD car for the predicability of the AWD car with still good driving dynamics.

I a coming from FWD cars in my early days to AWD front heavy Audi to RWD based AWD...

Others will think differently though based on their experience and preferences.

Nailed it.
Driving skill matters BIGTIME. My old club back on Maui would drive to the summit a couple times a month and really go hard.
We had a couple of guys in M3's and other German exotics that were pretty good but they were outmatched by this one dude's girlfriend.
She was fearless. She would bring her bone stock 04 STI out and absolutely embarrass most of us with her skill in the corners.
I used to chomp on the STI guys in my old TL Type S. Torque steer be damned!

I chased my buddys Hellcat Challenger up into the twists n' turns in the mountains. The Stinger keeps pace incredibly well. If you're accustomed to heavy RWD or RWD bias cars you'll feel more than comfortable with the Stinger around a bend.

The Fusion Sport is underrated. I say comparing it to the Stinger is unfair. The Fusion line was designed to compete with the Accord and Camry which, it does exceptionally well. The 2.7t Engine is vastly better than Honda's 2.0T and Toyotas ancient 3.5 v6. The AWD is sure appreciated too. For the same price bracket as a fancy Accord or Camry, the Fusion Sport is a better choice.

That said, the Stinger is more Mustang bracket...unless you're at 5,000ft. Then you're chewing on Mustangs in the thin air!