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They're jacking everything with 4 wheels here in Chiraq and a Stinger is a hard target to pass up. Haven't heard of it happening yet but it's just a matter of time. We had over 1400 car jackings last year...up from 550 the previous year. Luckily, Stingers here are few and far between. I'm constantly on my guard when I'm out driving and I only relax when I'm outside of the city limits. Over the summer, a conceal carry Porsche owner canoed a guys head that tried to jack him. Should give that Porsche owner a key to the city :thumbup:
 
"Don't need a key fob". So, how are they getting away with the cars? The article doesn't say squat. Is it about reading the fob and then signaling the car with a 'puter/cellphone? Busting in a window and then crawling inside, then what do they do from there? (they wouldn't need to bust a window if they read the fob from outside)
 
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I think the article is referring mainly to Kias and Hyundais that don't have push button start. Here's a similar article from Denver where the owner had not one but TWO Sportages stolen within a month. He's noted as saying that his next vehicle will likely be a VW or some other car car with a push button starter.


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Or, maybe not so much....

". . . a thief can steal the key’s signal by using an RFID reader or transmitter device. The signal can be “stolen” by holding the device nearby when the car’s owner uses the fob to lock or unlock the vehicle and then used to trick the vehicle into thinking there’s a legitimate key nearby."

 
They're jacking everything with 4 wheels here in Chiraq and a Stinger is a hard target to pass up. Haven't heard of it happening yet but it's just a matter of time. We had over 1400 car jackings last year...up from 550 the previous year. Luckily, Stingers here are few and far between. I'm constantly on my guard when I'm out driving and I only relax when I'm outside of the city limits. Over the summer, a conceal carry Porsche owner canoed a guys head that tried to jack him. Should give that Porsche owner a key to the city :thumbup:
Don't have to worry about Covid in your part of town. Too many car jackers by the sounds of it.
 
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Saw this story about my home town. I moved years ago but I just got to wondering if this applies to our cars too? Hope not.........


Disgusting. I hate thieves lmfao.

Could you imagine how quickly this wave of crime would disappear if the punishment was your left hand getting cut off on live television after being publicly shamed for stealing?

kidding... not kidding?

Jeez... now I regret selling my WRX which was manual transmission. It was the ultimate anti-thief tool in the USA haha!
 
I think the article is referring mainly to Kias and Hyundais that don't have push button start. Here's a similar article from Denver where the owner had not one but TWO Sportages stolen within a month. He's noted as saying that his next vehicle will likely be a VW or some other car car with a push button starter.


ETA:
Or, maybe not so much....

". . . a thief can steal the key’s signal by using an RFID reader or transmitter device. The signal can be “stolen” by holding the device nearby when the car’s owner uses the fob to lock or unlock the vehicle and then used to trick the vehicle into thinking there’s a legitimate key nearby."

What does "hold nearby" mean? Six feet? Fifteen feet from inside a parked vehicle? I park in the "north forty", typically to get an unwanted end stall; and this means that most of the time I'm far from other vehicles as well. But sometimes, like last night at Chuck-A-Rama, I had a car parked next to me. There were people in it. I clicked the door button and got in and started it up (waited for my wife to finish in the restroom); "they" could have been using one of those "RFID readers" from inside their car. Then they'd have to follow me home and wait till the coast was clear to walk up to my Stinger in the carport, open, start it and drive away. While I'm home, at night, I keep the fob inside a faraday bag. Since I'm writing about this, just now I took the fob off my belt and popped it into the faraday bag I keep here in my desk drawer.

So, if a car thief is sitting in the mall parking lot, sees you get out of your Stinger right next to them, they can read the fob as you walk away and lock it? Or is that hype? How close is "nearby"?
 
caranddriver.com/news/a38491394/hyundai-kia-thefts-milwaukee-action/
The article in C/D says they use the USB port to start the car.
I actually have "The Club" and "The Shield" that I used to use on my old car. But these devices marr the steering wheel so I haven't used them on the new Stinger.
 
Disgusting. I hate thieves lmfao.

Could you imagine how quickly this wave of crime would disappear if the punishment was your left hand getting cut off on live television after being publicly shamed for stealing?

kidding... not kidding?

Jeez... now I regret selling my WRX which was manual transmission. It was the ultimate anti-thief tool in the USA haha!
I don't think that would make it disappear at all. What you speak of is the rational decisions that rational people make, like you and me. But these aren't rational people, they don't think about the consequences. This is like thinking that there can't be suicide bombers because you will die or that no one would ever go to war because they might get hurt. Even more importantly, if they think there's a decent chance they can get away with it, they'll try it. The only way to stop that is 100% enforcement, as in every last person gets "caught", and that is not realistic in any realm. Multifaceted problems require multifaceted approaches and punishment is only one of those facets.
 
caranddriver.com/news/a38491394/hyundai-kia-thefts-milwaukee-action/
The article in C/D says they use the USB port to start the car.
I actually have "The Club" and "The Shield" that I used to use on my old car. But these devices marr the steering wheel so I haven't used them on the new Stinger.
You know how many stolen Honda Civics and CRVs I've seen over the years with the clubs either cut off or intact just sitting inside the car?

Too many to count..........
 
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I'm still unsure about this fob-reading procedure. Information is incomplete and contradictory. From what has been said so far, that I have seen at any rate, there is "something out there" that can be used to hack your keyless entry: all that "they" have to do is be close enough to capture the code on a detecting device and then show up later, when nobody is around, and use that (via USB, sure, why not) to start and drive off. So, it's a roll of the dice if you are the mark or not. How to be less likely to be that mark is the problem: we all get absorbed in our thoughts and don't notice people around us, especially inside other cars parked "within range" (whatever that is: I can't find that either).
 
If you are very worried about your car being stolen you could always create a battery disconnect switch that is hidden.
Basically, it would just cut the power to the battery (you could also take out the main fuse as an alternative).

The only downside would be no remote start and you'd need to use the physical key every time you unlocked your car.
 
I'm still unsure about this fob-reading procedure. Information is incomplete and contradictory. From what has been said so far, that I have seen at any rate, there is "something out there" that can be used to hack your keyless entry: all that "they" have to do is be close enough to capture the code on a detecting device and then show up later, when nobody is around, and use that (via USB, sure, why not) to start and drive off. So, it's a roll of the dice if you are the mark or not. How to be less likely to be that mark is the problem: we all get absorbed in our thoughts and don't notice people around us, especially inside other cars parked "within range" (whatever that is: I can't find that either).
You have it mostly right. Maybe the easier way to think of it is they record the signal from your keyfob, then play it back later to open/operate the vehicle.

I'm not sure how many vehicles with keyless entry are susceptible to this vulnerability, I would suspect a lot of them since they probably all operate within a certain frequency bandwidth and can only have a certain level of encryption/complexity in the information being sent (due to range and ease of detection requisites). It's an intriguing field in the automotive industry [all this tech]. So much good, but so much can go wrong too.
 
I don't think the Stingers are one of the Kia vehicles being stolen. My understanding is that is that the problem vehicles are vehicles without engine immobilizers. I don't think the cars being stolen are cars with key fobs; I think the cars being stolen have actual turn-keys for the ignition. Engine immobilizers were not standard on every Hyundai/Kia. If you have pushbutton start (all Stingers do), you are probably fine.

I also think news articles are intentionally not trying to be too specific when detailing what the cause of the problems are. From what i've patched together:


> "Kia thieves know they can break the back window without setting off an alarm, unlock the door, quickly peel back the steering column, and either use a screwdriver or a USB port to crank the car and go."

> "City council members are blaming the automakers for allegedly not installing anti-theft devices such as engine immobilizers in their cars."

> "The police are providing anti-theft steering-wheel locks to owners of Hyundai and Kia vehicles that don't have an engine immobilizer, a transponder in the ignition key that communicates with electronic devices inside the vehicle to prevent theft."


> "What's known is that the vehicles don't have an engine immobilizer, and breaking in through a rear window doesn't trip an alarm. Once thieves get the glass out of the way, they peel back the steering column cover and start the car with a tool like pliers or, in some cases, a USB cable."

I think talk of the USB port/cable have people thinking there is some higher-tech hacking going on, but not according to this article:


> "There's a mechanism that they manipulate and it could be as easily manipulated with a USB cord," Cornejo said. When asked specifically how, he said, "I don't want to get into the particulars of it just because, you know, it is a concern that we have for other individuals to find out," although the exponential increase in numbers indicates the word and method is out there in the public domain. "It's not connected or plugged into anything else. They use it kind of like you would use the tip of a screwdriver, for example," he said.
 
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