Stinger just crushed the stock turbo record and made 490whp/574wtq on e30 without WMI

[StungBlueGT2]

Using stock IC?

His mods are listed in post above but yes he has stock IC.

Lets see the AFR graph.

I’ll ask him but not sure he ran a log, or if Lap3 even logs that accurately due to only having a 1hz sample rate.

 

[Yaro]

My buddy just tied the current stock turbo WHP record and smashed the WTQ record without using WMI.
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He has the lap3V2, intakes and catless exhaust. He made ~380whp from just the bolt-ons before so the piggyback added about 100whp+ on a custom “kill mode” map. Congrats to @blueberry_gt(IG) and good to see our Stingers just getting better & better.

Very strange numbers. I tested stingers on various dynos and on the flywheel stock stinger shows on 95 ron 331hp, with 100 octane fuel it shows 358hp, with full bolt ons + big intercooler it shows on 100 octane 376-404hp (different cars, stock ecu, same mods) with stock tune untouched.

With lap3protuner it shows maximum on 100 octane fuel 480hp (flywheel) and wmi 505-510 hp.

Stock 95 octane


Thats stock car 100% 358hp on 100 octane.



Big Intercooler, no air filters, no catalysts, custom exhaust straight through, 100 octane, maxed out turbos on Lap3pro v2 (can't get any more boost from them), maxed out ignition.



Those numbers are at flywheel. They are similar at 3 different dynos Superflow, Maha and V-tech dyno. Usualy Dynojet shows XX% higher output at the wheel horsepower then Superflow / Mustang dynos. So 490 dynojet who is approximately 440 mustang who or 500-510 hp

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Very strange numbers. I tested stingers on various dynos and on the flywheel stock stinger shows on 95 ron 331hp, with 100 octane fuel it shows 358hp, with full bolt ons + big intercooler it shows on 100 octane 376-404hp (different cars, stock ecu, same mods) with stock tune untouched.

With lap3protuner it shows maximum on 100 octane fuel 480hp (flywheel) and wmi 505-510 hp.

Stock 95 octane
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Thats stock car 100% 358hp on 100 octane.

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Big Intercooler, no air filters, no catalysts, custom exhaust straight through, 100 octane, maxed out turbos on Lap3pro v2 (can't get any more boost from them), maxed out ignition.

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Those numbers are at flywheel. They are similar at 3 different dynos Superflow, Maha and V-tech dyno. Usualy Dynojet shows XX% higher output at the wheel horsepower then Superflow / Mustang dynos. So 490 dynojet who is approximately 440 mustang who or 500-510 hp

No offense but your results are slightly low for both stock and tuned. Maybe Moscow Stingers got different ECU tuning but dozens of stock Stinger dynos in the USA show 320-340whp(380-400bhp) & 380-395wtq.

A JB4 Stinger with only intakes on 91octane made 417whp/515wtq, then 93octane+e30 made 441whp/518wtq and lastly 462whp/531wtq with WMI.

I personally know multiple JB4 Stingers that gained around 120whp/120wtq and run about 450whp/500wtq with just a few bolt-on mods. And a couple lap3 WMI Stingers that make around 480whp/530wtq. Lastly, one of the quickest WMI Stingers(11.5sec 1/4m) produced 442whp/525wtq on a Mustang dyno or about 490whp on a dynojet, and he had a JB4 with completely stock exhaust and no intercooler.

Those results are very common here, but I do agree that dynojets typically run about 10% higher than Mustang or load based dynos. Load based dynos may be more realistic, but the load can be adjusted on each dyno so dynojets are more consistent, especially for comparisons. I know different dynos with different conditions may vary significantly, but dynojets are much more widely used and is the “rule of thumb” dyno in the states.

In the end these numbers arent much different than yours and likely the extra 20-30whp is because this was a “kill mode” custom map with TDC ignition timing spoofing that added a few degrees timing advance on the first run before it was pulled on the second run.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

@suburbandoom @Rysiek112 Please comment if you actually have something to say otherwise your “disagree” & “optimistic” tags mean nothing.

For the record my thread is just reposting a dyno and stating facts about tying/breaking lap3s record so not either of your tags make sense.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Is there a benefit to comparing dyno numbers with one another? Where I come from, a dyno is used to upgrade and tune your vehicle.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Is there a benefit to comparing dyno numbers with one another? Where I come from, a dyno is used to upgrade and tune your vehicle.

For sure. To know what different mods and tunes are able to achieve in different regions of the country, and to compare those gains before purchasing the products.

However I will admit that a lot of people, especially on the internet, use it for bragging rights and comparing mods/brands.

 

[Thorne]

I would love to see this in SAE showing the correction factor as well by RPM instead of mph. Also can we see the AFR graph? Great numbers I'm just curious how your not crashing your fuel system.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I would love to see this in SAE showing the correction factor as well by RPM instead of mph. Also can we see the AFR graph? Great numbers I'm just curious how your not crashing your fuel system.

I agree on seeing the RPM vs MPH results, but “correction factors“ are just estimated changes to STD Dyno results and are rarely accurate. They vary too much and best to keep STD HP results like most tuners do in order to keep things uniform.

Unfortunately he didn’t have a log setup for this run so no AFR. I assume it’s similar to the JB4 and around 11.5-12 but know lap3 doesn’t have dynamic fuel control so not 100% sure.

Also nobody should be having fuel system issues with only e30 like he did for these runs, that usually only happens when running e40-50+ with extra high boost.

 

[xot1]

Most people show STD numbers.

 

[xot1]

I agree on seeing the RPM vs MPH results, but “correction factors“ are just estimated changes to STD Dyno results and are rarely accurate. They vary too much and best to keep STD HP results like most tuners do in order to keep things uniform.

Unfortunately he didn’t have a log setup for this run so no AFR. I assume it’s similar to the JB4 and around 11.5-12 but know lap3 doesn’t have dynamic fuel control so not 100% sure.

Also nobody should be having fuel system issues with only e30 like he did for these runs, that usually only happens when running e40-50+ with extra high boost.

Few cars I know with Lap3 has AFR in the 12~13 when pushing high numbers on the dyno.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Few cars I know with Lap3 has AFR in the 12~13 when pushing high numbers on the dyno.

Wow that’s lean and sure that’s one reason some of their their numbers seem higher.

 

[PUNKIN]

Wow that’s lean and sure that’s one reason some of their their numbers seem higher.

These direct injected engines are very different beasts than the old port injection, so they can run higher afr safely. I spent years tuning LS engines and when I got my first 6.2 LTI to tune, it was like learning all over again. It’s nearly a full point higher with DI motors, just shows how efficient DI is.

Tuning by afr is mostly an old school way. More important is EGT. Too lean is hot, but if you can keep egt down, you can run leaner. DI cools cylinder temps more because of the greater pressure drop at injection. Hope that makes sense. Lol

 

[xot1]

Wow that’s lean and sure that’s one reason some of their their numbers seem higher.

I've seen up a Lap2 dyno sheet showing target afr 11.6 and 13.5 on the same car, same day.
11.6 => 480whp
13.5 => 507whp
It seems to make a big difference, but reliability is a concern.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

These direct injected engines are very different beasts than the old port injection, so they can run higher afr safely. I spent years tuning LS engines and when I got my first 6.2 LTI to tune, it was like learning all over again. It’s nearly a full point higher with DI motors, just shows how efficient DI is.

Tuning by afr is mostly an old school way. More important is EGT. Too lean is hot, but if you can keep egt down, you can run leaner. DI cools cylinder temps more because of the greater pressure drop at injection. Hope that makes sense. Lol

I understand and agree, but multiple tuners for our engines have shown that 11.5 to 12:1 seems optimal for the most power while keeping EGTs in check.

I've seen up a Lap2 dyno sheet showing target afr 11.6 and 13.5 on the same car, same day.
11.6 => 480whp
13.5 => 507whp
It seems to make a big difference, but reliability is a concern.

Good info and makes sense how some people get those record numbers for 1-2 runs before detonation or our ECU adjusts timing etc. to protect the engine.

Curious if that 507whp result was using big turbos as I still haven’t seen anyone surpass 490whp on stock turbos. Do you have any details on their mods?

 

[xot1]

I understand and agree, but multiple tuners for our engines have shown that 11.5 to 12:1 seems optimal for the most power while keeping EGTs in check.

Good info and makes sense how some people get those record numbers for 1-2 runs before detonation or our ECU adjusts timing etc. to protect the engine.

Curious if that 507whp result was using big turbos as I still haven’t seen anyone surpass 490whp on stock turbos. Do you have any details on their mods?

Nope, only piggyback wmi full exhaust.
I have seen over 520 on stock turbos, in Korea.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Nope, only piggyback wmi full exhaust.
I have seen over 520 on stock turbos, in Korea.

That’s impressive but unless there is a dyno available showing those results nobody is going to believe it. There was someone in the US that ran over 500whp but he did that on a dynocom and they run up to 10% higher than the dynojets that almost everyone uses so 490whp is still the current legitimate record.

It would be awesome if you can get some evidence of those claims, as the more the better for our Stingers bragging rights.

 

[xot1]

There was someone in the US that ran over 500whp but he did that on a dynocom and they run up to 10% higher than the dynojets that almost everyone uses so 490whp is still the current legitimate record.

In the US maybe...
We've seen several cars exceeding 500 on dynojet, since over a year ago.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I've had JB4 customers report > 500whp as well for what it's worth. I try not to take dyno numbers too seriously because they can vary a lot based on the dyno, conditions, and how aggressively the tuning is set. Sometimes the same tuning will make 460whp on one car and 500whp on the next so you know something is off somewhere. Also some tuners will set the tuning aggressive for glory numbers but then the car goes down the track and dramatically under-performs. Take all of it with a healthy dose of salt.

 

[turboAWD]

I've had JB4 customers report > 500whp as well for what it's worth. I try not to take dyno numbers too seriously because they can vary a lot based on the dyno, conditions, and how aggressively the tuning is set. Sometimes the same tuning will make 460whp on one car and 500whp on the next so you know something is off somewhere. Also some tuners will set the tuning aggressive for glory numbers but then the car goes down the track and dramatically under-performs. Take all of it with a healthy dose of salt.

Really appreciate that attitude, Terry. Not getting fixated on a peak number, but rather, overall results..

 

[StungBlueGT2]

In the US maybe...
We've seen several cars exceeding 500 on dynojet, since over a year ago.

That’s great to hear but unless they can share dynojet results showing 500whp+ it’s just hearsay. If any of them have proof please provide it as that would be awesome to see.

I've had JB4 customers report > 500whp as well for what it's worth. I try not to take dyno numbers too seriously because they can vary a lot based on the dyno, conditions, and how aggressively the tuning is set. Sometimes the same tuning will make 460whp on one car and 500whp on the next so you know something is off somewhere. Also some tuners will set the tuning aggressive for glory numbers but then the car goes down the track and dramatically under-performs. Take all of it with a healthy dose of salt.

Awesome! But why is that info being hidden from the rest of the Stinger community?

I understand & agree dynos can vary and should mainly be used for showing gains compared to a baseline. And I know this 490whp example and others are glory runs to maximize results. However 500whp is a big milestone for our platform and would be bragging rights for the whole Stinger community!

Every car community pushes their engines to the max to break records and prove to their competitors what they are capable of achieving. We all know the first time a Supra hit 800whp not every other one was able to show the same results, however it was the talk of the car community and helped the Supra reach the status that it has today.

Yes it’s best to take different dyno results with a grain of salt but all I’m saying is having proof that a stock turbo Stinger finally broke 500whp would be an achievement we could all be proud of and would progress our status amongst auto enthusiasts to the next level.