Traction Control and Stability Control Issues

[Anden L Schmitt]

So I have a Stinger GT2 AWD and I was messing around on some dirt and I noticed that no matter what I disable or don't disable the car will still try to recover from losing traction, I can feel power being taken and brakes being applied. Again this happens no matter if I'm in Sport or not, with TC and SC off or on. I'm just over here trying to get some nice drifting in but the damn car wont let me, any information you guys can give me would be great.

 

[Callum]

Probably the torque vector system. I’ve experienced similar. 1st gen for Kia or Hyundai

 

[Anden L Schmitt]

Probably the torque vector system. I’ve experienced similar. 1st gen for Kia or Hyundai

I understand torque vectoring, its required tbh in order to keep your transmission or torque converter from imploding when one set tires starts spinning faster than the other. Atleast that's my understanding.

 

[Fredman]

So I have a Stinger GT2 AWD and I was messing around on some dirt and I noticed that no matter what I disable or don't disable the car will still try to recover from losing traction, I can feel power being taken and brakes being applied. Again this happens no matter if I'm in Sport or not, with TC and SC off or on. I'm just over here trying to get some nice drifting in but the damn car wont let me, any information you guys can give me would be great.

- I was hoping I was going to read the resolution.
I noticed the same thing today driving mine in the snow for the first time.
The car definitely felt like it was modulating front brakes while doing a slight sideways slide. When I disengaged traction control and was in sport mode it did the same thing. I was looking forward to doing some old-fashioned spirited sideways slides when the time was right but seems like the car doesn’t want to do that. I can attest traction control works well though. Today I disengaged it for a moment and had wake up call. This is about as close as you can get. I think picture is worth 1000 words. (Posted photo already in tire section)

 

[MerlintheMad]

Ah, the old glory days before "Nanny" took over. "She" won't let us have fun. The Stinger is not that kind of drive. I'm not sorry to say that. But you guys who want to abuse your car like a teenage hooning hooligan are just going to have to suck it up and grow up. (see, I can be a prig along with the worst of 'em) Really, if you want to throw your car around, it is possible because there are X number of videos out there showing the Stinger drifting and sliding, and this is before D-AWD: that just makes it easy for low talented drivers to get into trouble. It seems that a "Jim Rockford" level talent knows how to force any car to "behave" as they demand.

 

[Fredman]

I thought that silly traction control button had something to do with nanny. Seems most other vehicles with that button will enable this “insane” behavior.
i’ve been power sliding across lakes and snow covered roads since the 70s. If you didn’t learn how to power slide with some predictability then you would become one of the putzes out there spinning into other cars. Of course this is in Minnesota where we have to crunch up a few thousand cars at the start of each winter before we all remember that stuff is slippery.

 

[Anden L Schmitt]

Exactly my friend, couldnt of said it any better

I thought that silly traction control button had something to do with nanny. Seems most other vehicles with that button will enable this “insane” behavior.
i’ve been power sliding across lakes and snow covered roads since the 70s. If you didn’t learn how to power slide with some predictably then you would become one of the putzes out there spinning into other cars. Of course this is in Minnesota where we have to crunch up a few thousand cars at the start of each winter before we all remember that stuff is slippery.

 

[Callum]

I understand torque vectoring, its required tbh in order to keep your transmission or torque converter from imploding when one set tires starts spinning faster than the other. Atleast that's my understanding.

it shifts torque to the wheel with the most grip, via the brakes. The Stinger will send 100% power to the front or rear wheels if needed.

you can’t shut the off, so that’s probably what your feeling, the car braking to send power to a wheel with more grip to try and spin the others. However, the car just bogs down.

 

[NismoDPB]

You will have to be going at speed to hold any sort of slip angle, otherwise the torque vectoring will intervene it seems. Low speeds the car steps in a lot because of some torque limiting nanny that assume is there to preserve our axles or something

 

[Fredman]

It all kind of makes sense to me now. If I recall correctly, the GTS all-wheel-drive packaged stinger features a drift mode button. I remember seeing that bit of information a few months back on that car and thought why would they offer that if the standard GT design had a traction control button that you could turn on and off.
Now I know.

 

[MerlintheMad]

It all kind of makes sense to me now. If I recall correctly, the GTS all-wheel-drive packaged stinger features a drift mode button. I remember seeing that bit of information a few months back on that car and thought why would they offer that if the standard GT design had a traction control button that you could turn on and off.
Now I know.

The GTS Stinger doesn't have a "traction control button". It's funny, some of the earliest video reviews talked about D-AWD, but wondered where "Drift mode" engage was. Ironic, doing a review, and not knowing what you're talking about.

It is simply entering Launch Control. The car does the rest. When you want to hoon and do it "right", the power goes one hundred percent to the rear wheels. Obviously, to make this work, the "Nanny" has to sit in the back seat with her arms folded, i.e. ESC of any kind has to not get in the way. Kia has to send the cars out with programming revised to retard all that Nanny stuff; otherwise, the "Drift mode" won't work.

As for the rest of you: just pummel your car in varying situations and at varying speeds, to find out what she's capable of. I'm sure that when you're smarter than the car, she'll turn into a backseat Nanny with that look on her face while you enjoy yourself.

 

[Fredman]

When you want to hoon and do it "right", the power goes one hundred percent to the rear wheels. Obviously, to make this work, the "Nanny" has to sit in the back seat with her arms folded, i.e. ESC of any kind has to not get in the way. Kia has to send the cars out with programming revised to retard all that Nanny stuff; otherwise, the "Drift mode" won't work.

As for the rest of you: just pummel your car in varying situations and at varying speeds, to find out what she's capable of. I'm sure that when you're smarter than the car, she'll turn into a backseat Nanny with that look on her face while you enjoy yourself.

When you are doing this “hooning”...
Is there snow on the ground??

wait...
what is hooning?
Lol !

 

[MerlintheMad]

When you are doing this “hooning”...
Is there snow on the ground??

That is the only kind of "drifting" I have ever done, or will ever do with a car of mine. I haven't used snow/ice to play around with my GT1 … yet.

wait...
what is hooning?
Lol !

"Down Under" term for driving like a maniac.

 

[Ucinn]

I wonder if you can do some snow drifting if you take the AWD fuse out? That should stop the torque vectoring from entering the equation.

 

[Fredman]

I wonder if you can do some snow drifting if you take the AWD fuse out? That should stop the torque vectoring from entering the equation.

Until torque vectoring blows up.

 

[TerryBerg]

You are all wrong. It has nothing to do with torque vectoring. This is clearly a traction control thing. Power is lost/removed when traction is lost. Stop trying to make it all sound complicated in an effort of making you seem smart.

The real question is why can’t we completely disable traction control. Why would they have this high performance car that can’t do anything?

I have this highly modded 450hp(probably) car that I can’t even get a decent launch from. All four tires chirp, then power is momentarily lost and then the car finally takes off. Embarrassing to say the least.

If anyone comes up with a way to turn off traction control please let us know.

 

[Deleted member 11966]

You are all wrong. It has nothing to do with torque vectoring. This is clearly a traction control thing. Power is lost/removed when traction is lost. Stop trying to make it all sound complicated in an effort of making you seem smart.

The real question is why can’t we completely disable traction control. Why would they have this high performance car that can’t do anything?

I have this highly modded 450hp(probably) car that I can’t even get a decent launch from. All four tires chirp, then power is momentarily lost and then the car finally takes off. Embarrassing to say the least.

If anyone comes up with a way to turn off traction control please let us know.

I am not sure how you can't disable traction control and still have it active. My MY19 AWD is the best snow drifting vehicle I've tried or been in with just tcs off. Stability, when on, is still allowing angles and slip. The only system correction when bot yc and stability are off is if you do a full 180 spin and continue going backwards, it will cut the power as a safety thing. Whic I don't see as an issue or nanny as the only scenarios where you would want that is rear entry drifting, and sorry but stock stinger won't be the best choice to do that in.


TLDR: TC off allows full wheel spin on any mode. Stability only interfere when there is too big of a yaw angle. Disabling both alows pretty much all fun to be had.

 

[Deleted member 11966]

Probably the torque vector system. I’ve experienced similar. 1st gen for Kia or Hyundai

Its actually second gen. I had a bk1 Genesis Coupe and unless the ECU was flashed you had all systems on or all semi off.