Car and Driver - Stinger vs BMW 430 x drive VS. Audi A5 Sportback

[kevin simard]

Got my new issue delivered today (electronically on texture app) and they have a good shootout article.. any guesses who wins??

 

[westcoastGT]

Got my new issue delivered today (electronically on texture app) and they have a good shootout article.. any guesses who wins??

Stinger GT all day long !!!

 

[kevin simard]

Nope they gave it to the Audi..but... they tested only 4cyl turbos.. stinger was the slowest and tied with BMW. But .. it’s also $11,000 cheaper.. I hate reviews that makes the stinger look bad..for the price they should have compared the other two with the v6 Stinger. And it still would be cheaper..!

 

[CO-bound]

It's Car and Audi magazine, pretty easy to guess which one they'll pick each time.

 

[westcoastGT]

It's Car and Audi magazine, pretty easy to guess which one they'll pick each time.

Right , I made the mistake assuming it was the GT , my bad !

 

[MarkyMark]

It's Car and Audi magazine, pretty easy to guess which one they'll pick each time.

Exactly right. My understanding is the 2.0L and GT both have the same handling/tuned characteristics of one another, yes? I've only test driven the 2.0L Premium and it was fantastic.

 

[hej]

Exactly right. My understanding is the 2.0L and GT both have the same handling/tuned characteristics of one another, yes? I've only test driven the 2.0L Premium and it was fantastic.

With any car, the bigger and heavier engines up front will certainly affect the handling of the car.

 

[Aquadog]

No kia wins in my book . If you're going to compare the GT to the BMW and the Audi or even the Mercedes you got a move up to the M-series the AMG Or the S series Granted there are a few tenths of a second faster and handle a little better in some situations but for what you get with the stinger it's a hell of a bargain . And the stinger beats them all hands down , 10 years 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. I don't know how much it will be on the stinger I have to go by what they quoted me on my Genesis which is about the same price but for 2500 bucks you can get the bumper to bumper warranty so literally all it's going to cost you for 10 years his tires brakes and alignment .

 

[MarkyMark]

No kia wins in my book . If you're going to compare the GT to the BMW and the Audi or even the Mercedes you got a move up to the M-series the AMG Or the S series Granted there are a few tenths of a second faster and handle a little better in some situations but for what you get with the stinger it's a hell of a bargain . And the stinger beats them all hands down , 10 years 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. I don't know how much it will be on the stinger I have to go by what they quoted me on my Genesis which is about the same price but for 2500 bucks you can get the bumper to bumper warranty so literally all it's going to cost you for 10 years his tires brakes and alignment .

It all depends on what you value (and of course, what one can afford). I always use Mac's and iPhones. They just work for me, no virus crap all that, I don't want a hobby toy, or gaming whatever machine, I just want a tool that works and has great support when I drop something, etc... it's a tool and I use them as such. Now, Mac's and iPhones are not cheap, but for work, it's about the value - not price - these tools bring to the table for me.

So for some, the price for a Stinger is key. It represents a great value for them. I get that. Others want German handling when taking their car on a track, or want to know they have that ability if they ever take their car and push it to the brink. Every review I've read has Audi and BMW - non S or M series vehicles - topping the Stinger in handling control when really, really pushed hard. Minimum to no body roll, the back end stays put, etc... while the Stinger's back end breaking loose has been the number one gripe, along with the suspension being software when pushed into corners with a lot of yaw...

Some people value that highest end performance. It's not cheap, but that's what they value. I get that also.

Now, that's not for me, not when it comes to a car. A. I can't afford it, nor the maintenance, and I want reliability. Sorry, but German cars are NOT known for their reliability. My luxury german car friends always love to brag about their cars, how great and reliable they are. And then when I ask them where it is, or remember when, they are "Oh yah, well, there was that one thing..."

They conveniently have a LOT of "one things" going on with their cars.

A friend of mine once bought a 3-year old Audi for $30k. 3 years later he sold it for just under $10k and put $9k into it in repairs. Never again he said!

If you truly cannot afford a luxury car, don't buy a luxury car. This is why the survey on this forum shows the majority of new Stinger buyers being folks like me moving "up" into the Stinger from standard brand 4-door sedans. Kia has worked hard to produce very reliable products w/a great warranty, and a low cost of ownership brand.

 

[Aquadog]

It all depends on what you value (and of course, what one can afford). I always use Mac's and iPhones. They just work for me, no virus crap all that, I don't want a hobby toy, or gaming whatever machine, I just want a tool that works and has great support when I drop something, etc... it's a tool and I use them as such. Now, Mac's and iPhones are not cheap, but for work, it's about the value - not price - these tools bring to the table for me.

So for some, the price for a Stinger is key. It represents a great value for them. I get that. Others want German handling when taking their car on a track, or want to know they have that ability if they ever take their car and push it to the brink. Every review I've read has Audi and BMW - non S or M series vehicles - topping the Stinger in handling control when really, really pushed hard. Minimum to no body roll, the back end stays put, etc... while the Stinger's back end breaking loose has been the number one gripe, along with the suspension being software when pushed into corners with a lot of yaw...

Some people value that highest end performance. It's not cheap, but that's what they value. I get that also.

Now, that's not for me, not when it comes to a car. A. I can't afford it, nor the maintenance, and I want reliability. Sorry, but German cars are NOT known for their reliability. My luxury german car friends always love to brag about their cars, how great and reliable they are. And then when I ask them where it is, or remember when, they are "Oh yah, well, there was that one thing..."

They conveniently have a LOT of "one things" going on with their cars.

A friend of mine once bought a 3-year old Audi for $30k. 3 years later he sold it for just under $10k and put $9k into it in repairs. Never again he said!

If you truly cannot afford a luxury car, don't buy a luxury car. This is why the survey on this forum shows the majority of new Stinger buyers being folks like me moving "up" into the Stinger from standard brand 4-door sedans. Kia has worked hard to produce very reliable products w/a great warranty, and a low cost of ownership brand.

It all depends on what you value (and of course, what one can afford). I always use Mac's and iPhones. They just work for me, no virus crap all that, I don't want a hobby toy, or gaming whatever machine, I just want a tool that works and has great support when I drop something, etc... it's a tool and I use them as such. Now, Mac's and iPhones are not cheap, but for work, it's about the value - not price - these tools bring to the table for me.

So for some, the price for a Stinger is key. It represents a great value for them. I get that. Others want German handling when taking their car on a track, or want to know they have that ability if they ever take their car and push it to the brink. Every review I've read has Audi and BMW - non S or M series vehicles - topping the Stinger in handling control when really, really pushed hard. Minimum to no body roll, the back end stays put, etc... while the Stinger's back end breaking loose has been the number one gripe, along with the suspension being software when pushed into corners with a lot of yaw...

Some people value that highest end performance. It's not cheap, but that's what they value. I get that also.

Now, that's not for me, not when it comes to a car. A. I can't afford it, nor the maintenance, and I want reliability. Sorry, but German cars are NOT known for their reliability. My luxury german car friends always love to brag about their cars, how great and reliable they are. And then when I ask them where it is, or remember when, they are "Oh yah, well, there was that one thing..."

They conveniently have a LOT of "one things" going on with their cars.

A friend of mine once bought a 3-year old Audi for $30k. 3 years later he sold it for just under $10k and put $9k into it in repairs. Never again he said!

If you truly cannot afford a luxury car, don't buy a luxury car. This is why the survey on this forum shows the majority of new Stinger buyers being folks like me moving "up" into the Stinger from standard brand 4-door sedans. Kia has worked hard to produce very reliable products w/a great warranty, and a low cost of ownership brand.

I hear you on the German cars had a 633 back in the day fortunately I only spent 650 bucks on the time that I owned it. I definitely know what they're talking , When we took the GT 2 Rear Wheel Dr. out for a spin the Rear end definitely wanted to dance . It was a dealbreaker for us, we were just going to go back and get another genesis G 80 love the one that we have. Went back about two weeks later and took an all wheel drive for a spin . I don't know about anybody else but it was the difference between night and day , enough so that we're now going to get a GT2 AWD .