AWD Drifting

[zbc1969]

The torque vectoring has a bad habit of killing drifts in this car. Does anyone know how to disable it? Does pulling the AWD fuse stop it from kicking in?

Also with the new GTS having drift mode I'm assuming that it turns off the torque vectoring? So does that mean that it is something that could be turned off with an ECU piggyback/tune? I'm thinking similar to the speed limiter being turned off? It would be nice if there was a way to shut it off and turn it back on like with the traction control.

 

[Revvdmedia]

For the normal AWD cars, I believe pulling the AWD fuse actually turns the car into RWD only, so yes drifts should be possible (I haven't tried). I also agree that the AWD system is rather sensitive and likes to pull throttle when you push it hard. It WILL NOT drift in the dry, but does OK on snow.

The GTS would have specific ESC tuning, I somehow doubt tuners would add that to a tune. Where a tune can adjust a myriad of engine parameters to maximize performance, ESC tuning is a whole other beast that I just don't see a tuner getting into even if they could, there is a lot of math and physics calculations that go into that I'm sure, well beyond what a normal tune is.

 

[BertBert2019GT]

I remember having to use axle plugs to delete the AWD in my galant.

@zbc1969 torque vectoring isn’t your primary issue for drifting—it’s your differential. The GTS has a limited slip differential like the 2018 GT2/2019+ RWD’s. It’s drift mode disengages power to the front wheels which assists getting into and holding a drift but it’s that limited slip differential that locks up both back tires together. The non GTS AWD stingers have an open differential and torque vectoring.

I know that theres posts on here with people discussing the possibility of swapping the differentials. And then you’d be facing the torque vectoring and AWD issues.

 

[Callum]

It you pull the fuse on the GT2 AWD and turn off traction it will boil the back tires. It's very simple, but keep in mind you still have the open diff in the rear. Something that I have been trying to solve, by adding a LSD to the rear of mine. I would assume, and if possible I can try is to order the GTS TCU and plug it in. You might get a VIN Mis-Match, but hey...who cares right?

It is possible to slide the AWD, I would not call it a drift but the back end does actually swing around under full throttle. I've been on the track a bunch with my AWD, and it will slide if you make it.

 

[turboAWD]

It you pull the fuse on the GT2 AWD and turn off traction it will boil the back tires. It's very simple, but keep in mind you still have the open diff in the rear. Something that I have been trying to solve, by adding a LSD (Limited Slip Differential) to the rear of mine. I would assume, and if possible I can try is to order the GTS TCU and plug it in. You might get a VIN Mis-Match, but hey...who cares right?

It is possible to slide the AWD, I would not call it a drift but the back end does actually swing around under full throttle. I've been on the track a bunch with my AWD, and it will slide if you make it.

Let me know if you come up with anything - I wish I had an LSD for my GT1 AWD. Not sure my wife (or I) are ready to give up the cooled seats so I can have a slightly more fun car

I recently took a left-turn out of a parking lot onto a 4-lane Blvd (2 lanes each way, median in the middle) and gunned it in 1st in sport. No traction control off, IIRC. It surprised me by fish-tailing a little bit - the rear end swung out, not more than the side of the lane I was turning into, but faster than expected. I don't think I could have pulled something like that in my Legacy GT. It had factory spring/plate in the rear diff for a little bit of LSD, but that was probably long worn out..

 

[zbc1969]

So you're saying it might be worth trading the GT1 in for the GTS...

 

[turboAWD]

So you're saying it might be worth trading the GT1 in for the GTS...

Yes, depending on priorities. Personally, not sure I could live with that orange - my MO here in the Silicon Valley has always been to fly under the radar in my black station wagon (the now-dead subie). The grey Stinger sticks out SOME, but it's not flashy red or green or yellow, so it still blends in some and doesn't look THAT wild.

 

[Revvdmedia]

My biggest gripe with the GTS is the fact you can't get it fully optioned. I would miss my HUD, maybe cooled seats...

 

[Callum]

They should have used the GT2 for the GTS and upped the power 15-30HP.

I’d would have paid for that.

 

[turboAWD]

And maybe a super-aggressive throttle/shift mode (sport++).

 

[Tonkabob]

It you pull the fuse on the GT2 AWD and turn off traction it will boil the back tires. It's very simple, but keep in mind you still have the open diff in the rear. Something that I have been trying to solve, by adding a LSD (Limited Slip Differential) to the rear of mine. I would assume, and if possible I can try is to order the GTS TCU and plug it in. You might get a VIN Mis-Match, but hey...who cares right?

It is possible to slide the AWD, I would not call it a drift but the back end does actually swing around under full throttle. I've been on the track a bunch with my AWD, and it will slide if you make it.

Results vary with awd and the fuse pulled. Some people including myself get throttle cut after 1 second of wheel spin even with traction and stability turned off.

 

[BertBert2019GT]

You need a LSD to ‘drift’. The non GTS folk pulling fuses are power sliding, not drifting

 

[BertBert2019GT]

Upgrading to a limited slip differential

 

[Tonkabob]

You need a LSD (Limited Slip Differential) to ‘drift’. The non GTS folk pulling fuses are power sliding, not drifting

Some AWDs in RWD mode can't spin the tires in a straight line for more than a second is what I am saying.

 

[BertBert2019GT]

Some AWDs in RWD mode can't spin the tires in a straight line for more than a second is what I am saying.

tire* singular

 

[BertBert2019GT]

swap your rear differential and do the brake wire switch and you can spin both tires in a straight line all day

 

[Tonkabob]

tire* singular

Tires plural. Open diffs will spin both if traction is equal. I broke lose going straight 30 mph and the ass end kicked out about a foot before my 1 second was up.
Tork motorsports has a you tube of his open diff GT doing a nice long 2 tire burn out.

 

[Callum]

Results vary with awd and the fuse pulled. Some people including myself get throttle cut after 1 second of wheel spin even with traction and stability turned off.

That is correct. Mine is temperamental.

There are days where the rear will light up and days where the throttle is cut on me even with traction and stability turned off. More so the car just doesn't want to do anything, every now and then it just lets them rip.

I'm really curious as to why.

 

[Tonkabob]

Since you are Gt2, leave your oil temp gauge up. I know LC will cut 100% of the time under 200 degrees. I haven't played as much with doing burnouts but my car was warm enough.

 

[Manaz]

That is correct. Mine is temperamental.

There are days where the rear will light up and days where the throttle is cut on me even with traction and stability turned off. More so the car just doesn't want to do anything, every now and then it just lets them rip.

I'm really curious as to why.

Even with traction and stability turned "off", they're likely never completely gone (many manufacturers run a 2-stage system where turning it "off" just gives more leeway before it's triggered).

Traction control detects loss of traction by comparing wheel speeds - if you've pulled the AWD fuse, it won't use front wheel speeds as an input, if you're RWD, it won't use front wheel speeds anyway.

It may be that the times that traction control is cutting in is because your left and right rear tyres have different levels of traction and the open diff is causing one wheel to spin much more than the other, causing the traction control to cut power. The times where you get solid twin black lines, either the traction across the axle is relativrly even, or the LSD (if you're in a RWD car with one) has detected slip and adjusted behavior before the traction control has seen enough variation in wheel speeds to trigger.