Buying a piggyback... what one?

[RaceChip]

RaceChip What it all boils down to in the end is "Supply And Demand" nothing more....nothing less Wash

So true. You can try to manipulate it, but at the end of the day it will always be supply and demand. And you can't fool the demand side in the long run.

 

[Terry@BMS]

@Socalstinga I don't think that you will have problems with map2, for starters BMS is headquartered in CA, so the max pump octane is the same as yours (91) therefore the tune is optimized to work great with that octane. I don't think you will need to run octane booster.

We've done plenty of 91 octane testing. I run map2 on ours and it's been solid. If any issues crop up grab a log and maybe we can help you with some custom map6 settings.

 

[Angel]

Thanks for sharing your experience despite opposing wind.
I still have to get used to the American way of companies trying to bash each other. I don't understand why a company might think this is necessary when it really thinks it has a better product while beeing much cheaper.

Anyway, I appreciate all feedback and the common sense I am reading here is that RaceChip is too expensive. It will tell our management about that. I don't make the pricing, but as far as I know it is based on the production costs (superior components & Made in Germany) and the relation of development costs and expected sales quantity. The costs just have to be amortized.
Development costs were not low, because we don't throw products on the market before they are fully developed and let the customers be the guinea pigs. I know, that's very German and sometimes it slows you down.
The expected sales quantity was lower that the actual sales. The Kia Stinger is selling well in the US and apparently Stinger owners love tuning their car (I like you guys). This means there might be some room for better pricing. That's no promise. Don't forget that there already is a $100 discount on the GTS Black specifically for this forum (code: STINGER_FORUM). I'll provide an update whether I was successful, I am on your side

Furthermore, the GTS Black comes with 2 free reprogrammings. So, if you change your car, you get a new software for free incl. the new cable. This cuts your costs in half! If you get a third car, the price is 1/3.

So, what are other advantages of RaceChip? There are existing threads about that, so let me keep it very short. RaceChip does not mess with security systems. It utilizes the power reserves without going beyond them. We don't automatically delete check engine lights every few seconds and we don't manipulate safety relevant sensor values. We have a lot of experience (100,000 products sold per year) and know what a car can do and what is not smart in the long run. I never said that other solutions are automatically bad, they are just different. Believing that one application is the best for everyone, is a bit naive. You want to remove the rev limiter, vmax and install a bigger turbo? Please don't buy our product. Get a remap! You want a safe, high-quality and easy to use plug & play performance upgrade? Here we go...

 

[washguy]

Here is what I gather about RaceChip. If one goes to the RaceChip homepage ,and you read the timeline plus every page of Racechip....do you see any folks working with any cars on a dyno? do you see any shop dynos's? Unless im just plain ol nutz no I didn't.Did I miss that page?
Here is what I did see...all advertising is very slick,but its geared towards the supply chain ,and dealers not the end user....they are making themselves look great to a Wall Street firm, or an investment group that's very easy to gleen....but im not seeing wordage spoken to the actual guy with the tune in his actual car. Show me the many Dyno's they must have to service all those different cars....not one shot of the shop in Germany with a dyno, or a tuner hunkered over a car on their homepage. Why sure a company should be proud of growth,but there seems to be overkill on how they got there and where they are going, and building up their dealer network.. yada yada yada.......prolly a good chip....but one owes to themselves to go to their homepage and take a look at how they approach the end user along with the chip......show me the shop....show me the multiple dynos you must have....show me the actual shop....show me some videos of a stinger on the dyno in Germany.... just my .02 Wash

this pretty much sums it up RaceChip - The fast development of our company

 

[RaceChip]

Here is what I gather about RaceChip. If one goes to the RaceChip homepage ,and you read the timeline plus every page of Racechip....do you see any folks working with any cars on a dyno? do you see any shop dynos's? Unless im just plain ol nutz no I didn't.Did I miss that page?
Here is what I did see...all advertising is very slick,but its geared towards the supply chain ,and dealers not the end user....they are making themselves look great to a Wall Street firm, or an investment group that's very easy to gleen....but im not seeing wordage spoken to the actual guy with the tune in his actual car. Show me the many Dyno's they must have to service all those different cars....not one shot of the shop in Germany with a dyno, or a tuner hunkered over a car on their homepage. Why sure a company should be proud of growth,but there seems to be overkill on how they got there and where they are going, and building up their dealer network.. yada yada yada.......prolly a good chip....but one owes to themselves to go to their homepage and take a look at how they approach the end user along with the chip......show me the shop....show me the multiple dynos you must have....show me the actual shop....show me some videos of a stinger on the dyno in Germany.... just my .02 Wash

this pretty much sums it up

I guess you did not make it to our News page, Facebook page or YouTube channel.
But thank you for the feedback. I will suggest my colleagues to update the homepage. It's indeed a little bit outdated.

E.g. last week we had the new M5 on the dyno

Edit: From minute 2:01

Actually we are pretty proud of our dyno:
MAHA MSR 500/3 4WD
custom-built model
Power measurement up to 2720 hp and 300 km/h

 

[VC1]

JB4....... Do it with Bluetooth module and the fuel wires.

Hi all. First time poster...great to see such a passionate community of Stinger owners.
Can someone explain what the fuel wires are for? Is this only if you want to use different fuel types?
Thanks in advance!

 

[soulevo8]

It modifies the AFR to lean it out a little in the upper RPMs

 

[ScottM]

Here is what I gather about RaceChip. If one goes to the RaceChip homepage ,and you read the timeline plus every page of Racechip....do you see any folks working with any cars on a dyno? do you see any shop dynos's? Unless im just plain ol nutz no I didn't.Did I miss that page?
Here is what I did see...all advertising is very slick,but its geared towards the supply chain ,and dealers not the end user....they are making themselves look great to a Wall Street firm, or an investment group that's very easy to gleen....but im not seeing wordage spoken to the actual guy with the tune in his actual car. Show me the many Dyno's they must have to service all those different cars....not one shot of the shop in Germany with a dyno, or a tuner hunkered over a car on their homepage. Why sure a company should be proud of growth,but there seems to be overkill on how they got there and where they are going, and building up their dealer network.. yada yada yada.......prolly a good chip....but one owes to themselves to go to their homepage and take a look at how they approach the end user along with the chip......show me the shop....show me the multiple dynos you must have....show me the actual shop....show me some videos of a stinger on the dyno in Germany.... just my .02 Wash

this pretty much sums it up RaceChip - The fast development of our company

Full disclosure... I have the racechip XLR and that's probably about the extent to which I'll do "performance upgrades" to my car. Having said that, anyone who bases their buying decisions on a companies website is probably doing the wrong thing. Just my .02 cents.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Full disclosure... I have the racechip XLR and that's probably about the extent to which I'll do "performance upgrades" to my car. Having said that, anyone who bases their buying decisions on a companies website is probably doing the wrong thing. Just my .02 cents.

How do you like it? Have you taken your Stinger to the track for some real world results?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Hi all. First time poster...great to see such a passionate community of Stinger owners.
Can someone explain what the fuel wires are for? Is this only if you want to use different fuel types?
Thanks in advance!

Fuel wires combined with CANbus allow the JB4 to alter the air/fuel ratio directly under boost, which results in 30-40hp more up top on all fuels, and the ability to run higher boost maps and E85 mixtures without misfires/stuttering.

 

[brancky3]

Having said that, anyone who bases their buying decisions on a companies website is probably doing the wrong thing. Just my .02 cents.

I disagree. If a company can't put a little time and money into a website, they're probably not able to put time or effort into support. I always see Burger Motorsports updating their instagram, posting on forums, etc... it makes a big difference in my eyes that they're focusing on the community and actually want their products to succeed

 

[Terry@BMS]

I disagree. If a company can't put a little time and money into a website, they're probably not able to put time or effort into support. I always see Burger Motorsports updating their instagram, posting on forums, etc... it makes a big difference in my eyes that they're focusing on the community and actually want their products to succeed

The biggest difference is that we purchase a car for every tuner we make and then design the JB4 specifically for that model, taking advantage of whatever model specific details we can to optimize performance, offer innovative features, etc. Then we do robust testing including 1/2 mile runs, dyno testing, lots of road testing, CARB submission, TUV submission, etc. There is a reason we've got CANbus, fuel control, E85 support, a robust app with logging, WMI integration, etc, for the Stinger. It's because we live and breath the platform daily.

Most of the "other guys" just take the same generic system and slap it on every turbo car they can get their hands on and then saturate the forums with equally generic advertisements for them.

 

[ScottM]

I disagree. If a company can't put a little time and money into a website, they're probably not able to put time or effort into support. I always see Burger Motorsports updating their instagram, posting on forums, etc... it makes a big difference in my eyes that they're focusing on the community and actually want their products to succeed

If you go to RaceChips website you can tell they spent money on their website, I don't think that means a thing. If you go to BMS's website, you can tell they spent money on their website and I don't think that means a thing. If you look for this or that in the background, you can see what you want. As far as a website goes and the pictures that are on the website, you see what you want to see. A website is ALL a sales pitch, of course. My point only being, if the website is what a person uses to make their buying decision...then in my opinion they are doing things wrong. My opinion only.

When it comes to being active on forums, that can be the same thing...a sales pitch. But that wasn't my point about the website thing. I guess I view most of it as a huge nice brick and mortar store that has great smiley employees coming at you. I mean, it's the product in the end that matters...not the bells and whistles surrounding the product.

Having said all that madness, I can't speak for either item as I don't have them and I depend upon this website and lots of other search tools for me to make my decision on buying stuff for my car. Not a vendor website. That's me, not necessarily a me right and someone else wrong thing. BUT... making a buying decision from a website's look and feel is wrong.

 

[Adamdan]

I don’t see why anyone would pick up anything but the jb4. The only thing would maybe be the other chips are more simple because they do less. I love my jb4 it’s a no brainer for anyone wanting a piggyback.

 

[ScottM]

How do you like it? Have you taken your Stinger to the track for some real world results?

I like it alot. It does exactly what I wanted it to do. I'm not a track guy, so no on the track thing. I got it for relatively simple street driving, with the "feather the pedal feel" and the option to retard the throttle when in stop and go.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I don’t see why anyone would pick up anything but the jb4. The only thing would maybe be the other chips are more simple because they do less. I love my jb4 it’s a no brainer for anyone wanting a piggyback.

Right but you can always just not install the fuel wires, not install the blue tooth adapter, not install the OBDII adapter, and do less with the JB4 also. And always have the option to do more later when the need arises.

 

[Terra]

Ok let's put it like this..... Racechip is like Apple overpriced but does the job in a simplistic way and does it well.

JB4 is like Android, best bang for buck, very customisable and has the community support.

How was that? Have a started a new war?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Not really, because Apple can more or less do everything Android can. It's more like JB4 is Android, and RaceChip is a 2003 Motorola Flip phone. You can still make a phone call on it. But it's night and day in terms of features and functions.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Not really, because Apple can more or less do everything Android can. It's more like JB4 is Android, and RaceChip is a 2003 Motorola Flip phone. You can still make a phone call on it. But it's night and day in terms of features and functions.

I am over-the-moon thrilled with what the JB4 has given me with regard to performance!

 

[washguy]

My whole point was that you dont see a racechip tuner out in the shop thrashing his wrench showing the folks what he is installing or how he is modding the car
You see glamor shots with racechips...you see slick photos and videos..not realistic installs or anyone working with a car like you see Terry out there showing installs and how to actually work on the jb4....its laffable when you look at the glamor team shot of the race chip crew....a hundred people of which maybe theres a few that even know how to open the hood of the car....racechip sells the sizzle....not the steak..is all i meant in my post .. .Wash