Bad [Van Nuys Kia] Oil change failure -> full engine replacement, dealership not being responsive

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Avoid Van Nuys Kia in LA at all costs! For a dealership that's only 7 months old, you would expect that they would try to do a better job winning business. I went in for my 6-month old 2020 Stinger GT2 AWD's first oil change and ended up with an out-of-service car in need of a full engine replacement.

Three days after the oil change, my skid plate fell off on the highway because it wasn't tightened correctly. It was an inconvenience, but things only got worse from there. A few weeks later, I was driving to another state, and my engine oil light came on. I pulled off the highway, saw oil dripping, and checked the dipstick to see that it was completely empty. I got towed to a local Kia dealership, and the service department there verified that the drain plug was missing, the engine was toast, and that Van Nuys Kia should be on the hook to cover everything (repair + rental car) because they didn't tighten the drain plug properly.

After multiple phone calls and emails from both myslef and the local dealership's service department, the Van Nuys service manager finally responded and said that they want to tow the car back to Van Nuys for the repair. They told me that the controller or GM would talk to me about next steps, but they never did and are ignoring all of the calls from myself and the local dealership. I'm thinking of invoking the California lemon law, which says that I'm entitled to a full buyback or replacement if the car is out of service for 30+ days (which it definitely will be for a full engine replacement). I've contacted Kia Consumer Affairs online, but they haven't responded yet either. What would you recommend I do?
 
You are on the right path. I would lemon law that bad boy no doubt.
 
You are on the right path. I would lemon law that bad boy no doubt.
Thanks - I assume for the lemon law, I would need to get a lawyer and wait for the 30 days to actually elapse?
 
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Lemon law is either 30 days or multiple repair attempts for the same problem... Either way make sure you're documenting everything meticulously. Good luck and keep us posted!!
 
Unbelievable!!!! I would speak to a lawyer immediately a new Car purchase is not a cheap affair.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
Thanks - I assume for the lemon law, I would need to get a lawyer and wait for the 30 days to actually elapse?
So you can request a buyback through kia without going through the actual lemon law process. If you dont get anywhere with that then yes you will need to get a lawyer. There is a lot of good lemon law FAQ on the web.
 
I'm not up with your Lemon Law but isn’t it intended to cater for persistent issues that can't be rectified?
In this case the damage appears to have been caused by negligence of the Dealer. The Dealer will most likely have Liability Insurance in place to cover property damage. A formal letter of demand to repair the damage may get you a resolution.
 
This is a messy situation.

I know it’ll work out for you but it’s just the hassle, back and forth, downtime, and bitter taste that’s off putting.
 
Review the lemon laws for California. I don’t recall off the top of my head, but there’s a good chance that this incident wouldn’t qualify because the breakdown was caused by neglect/incompetence. In many states, the lemon law refers explicitly to multiple repairs of the same component; once again — double-check your state.

While this is a shitty situation, you have a few things going for you, which should provide a sigh of relief.

1) You have another KIA dealership corroborating your version of events,

2) The incompetent dealership appears to have assumed some level of responsibility by offering to tow the car back to the dealership

If it were me, since you’re pretty early on in the process, I wouldn’t have posted this to a public forum at this time. You need to see how this ordeal plays out first.
Specifically, you need to determine if the incompetent dealer will try to pin this on you as some form of negligence — as absurd as it sounds, you’d be surprised. If not, then allow them to replace the engine if they can provide a loaner for your downtime. Also, continue to push for a buyback, but understand they are under no obligation. That last sentence goes to the point @ShannonC was alluding to, which is if they believe you’ll lawyer up or otherwise become a pain in their butt, then a stubborn dealer may be more willing to work with you. However, if you come right off the bat yelling lawyer, then they have no reason to believe that you were interested in them doing the right thing anyway, and you’ll have a much steeper — and expensive, hill to climb in securing a buyback.

Good luck!
 
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This is why people need checklists. I remember when I was a computer tech, the last two things was always: check the CD drive, and check for audio. The former would keep us from losing our discs. The latter would keep us from having to repair the computer again for free.
 
A friend had same issue with oil change place . Why i change my own oil now. Good luck
 
Hello! First post here, but I've been lurking for a while. I just had a similar experience where I took my car in for the 18k service, and the next day developed some distressing valve noise. Apparently, the oil filter gasket got ripped and the filter didn't seat properly, causing oil to leak out (all over the car, naturally) and take 50k miles off of the life of the engine. The dealership tried to push me off until the following week but I insisted, thankfully, and they were kissing my a** hardcore when they saw what caused the problem. Ugh. Good luck to you! I hope I don't end up in the same boat.
 
Hello! First post here, but I've been lurking for a while. I just had a similar experience where I took my car in for the 18k service, and the next day developed some distressing valve noise. Apparently, the oil filter gasket got ripped and the filter didn't seat properly, causing oil to leak out (all over the car, naturally) and take 50k miles off of the life of the engine. The dealership tried to push me off until the following week but I insisted, thankfully, and they were kissing my a** hardcore when they saw what caused the problem. Ugh. Good luck to you! I hope I don't end up in the same boat.
As previously stated, Liability Insurance should fix it.....just push your case.
 
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Rather than trying Kia Consumer Affairs online, you MAY have better luck calling their "VIP line" at 855-454-2847, which buying a Stinger should qualify for (though I've had reps answer and have no idea what's different). I think the other number is 800-333-4542.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
Rather than trying Kia Consumer Affairs online, you MAY have better luck calling their "VIP line" at 855-454-2847, which buying a Stinger should qualify for (though I've had reps answer and have no idea what's different). I think the other number is 800-333-4542.
It can't hurt, but the problem is with the Dealer and not Kia.
 
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Yea I get that, wmz mentioned they contacted Kia Consumer Affairs online. Might be more effective to call. If anything, can at least start a case # for it. I had a concern about an invoice item from the dealership that I called the line and they contacted the dealership and got them to call me back. May help to nudge things along.
 
I rarely allow dealerships to do oil changes on my cars. Too many bad experiences. On top of that, its usually a half a day event. The last BMW I owned the dealership gave me free oil changes for 5 years. I went once... Was not worth the hassle.
 
Avoid Van Nuys Kia in LA at all costs! For a dealership that's only 7 months old, you would expect that they would try to do a better job winning business. I went in for my 6-month old 2020 Stinger GT2 AWD's first oil change and ended up with an out-of-service car in need of a full engine replacement.

Three days after the oil change, my skid plate fell off on the highway because it wasn't tightened correctly. It was an inconvenience, but things only got worse from there. A few weeks later, I was driving to another state, and my engine oil light came on. I pulled off the highway, saw oil dripping, and checked the dipstick to see that it was completely empty. I got towed to a local Kia dealership, and the service department there verified that the drain plug was missing, the engine was toast, and that Van Nuys Kia should be on the hook to cover everything (repair + rental car) because they didn't tighten the drain plug properly.

After multiple phone calls and emails from both myslef and the local dealership's service department, the Van Nuys service manager finally responded and said that they want to tow the car back to Van Nuys for the repair. They told me that the controller or GM would talk to me about next steps, but they never did and are ignoring all of the calls from myself and the local dealership. I'm thinking of invoking the California lemon law, which says that I'm entitled to a full buyback or replacement if the car is out of service for 30+ days (which it definitely will be for a full engine replacement). I've contacted Kia Consumer Affairs online, but they haven't responded yet either. What would you recommend I do?
Any updates on progress getting this resolved?
They might argue that if it took several weeks for the drain plug to come out, that it might have been caused by something else.
 
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