Mustang Dyno Results are In!

[ZyroXZ2]

Some of you might have been wondering how much power my car is making. Granted, I still have to write up my lengthy review of the LAP3 ECU tune (and the absolute shit post-sales customer support, like talking to their FB community is going to "fix" the tune's issues), and also the fact that my experience with Tork wasn't any better (but different). Ah the woes of such low vehicle mod support, the few vendors feel no pressure to care because they know it's either them or the highway.

But anyway, here you go: on a MUSTANG dyno, I'm making 486whp. The operator said he calibrated it against a Dynojet and that it's 6% lower. Thus, if I go with about 12-13% losses on a Dynojet, and add in the 6%, I'm looking at 18-19% losses putting me at ~600HP. And honestly, that feels about right: the car is nigh undrivable under 50MPH at full throttle. Heck, even half throttle under 50MPH is a "problem", it's quite unmanageable since I'm a RWD lmfao

EDIT: Clarity/grammar.

 

[PAdutch]

Alright I'll bite, what are the mods. Sounds like a fun ride.

 

[OHstinger]

An orange blur is all most people will see now!

 

[General_Vodka]

Some of you might have been wondering how much power my car is making. Granted, I still have to write up my lengthy review of the LAP3 ECU tune (and the absolute shit post-sales customer support, like talking to their FB community is going to "fix" the tune's issues), and also the fact that my experience with Tork wasn't any better (but different). Ah the woes of such low vehicle mod support, the few vendors feel no pressure to care because they know it's either them or the highway.

But anyway, here you go: on a MUSTANG dyno, I'm making 486whp. The operator said he calibrated it against a Dynojet and that it's 6% lower. Thus, if I go with about 12-13% losses on a Dynojet, and add in the 6%, I'm looking at 18-19% losses putting me at ~600HP. And honestly, that feels about right: the car is nigh undrivable under 50MPH at full throttle. Heck, even half throttle under 50MPH is a "problem", it's quite unmanageable since I'm a RWD lmfao

EDIT: Clarity/grammar.

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That's some pretty solid numbers. All that power to the rear probably made for some butt clenching moments lol.
How much did you make with Tork?

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Alright I'll bite, what are the mods. Sounds like a fun ride.

Sometimes I forget that my mods aren't listed and that I had relied on my earlier days in the forum on the posts I was making about my mods lol...

K&N Typhoon, Full turboback with quad HFCs, LAP3 ECU Stage 2.5, Snow Performance WMI

An orange blur is all most people will see now!

I think the fun part is that out here, Teslas are as common as Civics, and I've beaten every single performance model except the Model S performance models (PD or Plaid). In fact, it's the slower Teslas that keep trying to pace me into a race (you know, flooring it and backing off like "lesss gooo biiiiii", I've never been challenged by a Model S PD/Plaid model lmao

That's some pretty solid numbers. All that power to the rear probably made for some butt clenching moments lol.
How much did you make with Tork?

It even squirms at freeway speeds, it's pretty nuts lol... My car makes so much creaks and noises now because this is enough power to be "twisting" the chassis, so I'm noticing the more I get on it, the more the car creaks and ticks. Even my alignment was pretty far off from factory, so I have no doubt this is enough power to slowly fatigue the chassis and screw with the suspension and I might have to actually consider braces!

The thing is, we never got that far with Tork. Part of the story there is what's so disappointing: through a comedy of errors, Tork's backend tune combined with the LAP3 Pro Tuner was causing some weird boost bug. Not only was I spiking up to 39 psi (yes, LOGGED 37psi and saw 39psi on my gauge!), but I would be hitting 24-25psi at half throttle. The turbos probably would not have lasted even 3000 miles, but let me just tell you, THAT was some real butt-clenching. The issue there was, as you might guess, it would not last more than a few seconds as the car's overboost would completely kill the throttle. But during those few seconds? Fuuuuuu it felt like I actually got REAR ENDED: the car would rocket forward unbelievably as if I was launching from a stop! If I floored it at freeway speeds, the rear end would DOGTAIL almost into the next lane. It was absolute insanity, and had we figured it out, would probably easily have had a 10 sec Stinger. I was clearly maxing out fuel and WMI as AFR logs during those 1-2 second bursts were around 12.7-12.8, but damn I really wanted that 10 sec daily Stinger lol

But John doesn't like me for reasons he doesn't know are incorrect (perception is everything, right?), and without bringing my car to his shop, he would be unwilling to work on it anyway, so we eventually hit an impasse in both personality and time.

EDIT: Clarity

 

[General_Vodka]

Sometimes I forget that my mods aren't listed and that I had relied on my earlier days in the forum on the posts I was making about my mods lol...

K&N Typhoon, Full turboback with quad HFCs, LAP3 ECU Stage 2.5, Snow Performance WMI

I think the fun part is that out here, Teslas are as common as Civics, and I've beaten every single performance model except the Model S performance models (PD or Plaid). In fact, it's the slower Teslas that keep trying to pace me into a race (you know, flooring it and backing off like "lesss gooo biiiiii", I've never been challenged by a Model S PD/Plaid model lmao

It even squirms at freeway speeds, it's pretty nuts lol... My car makes so much creaks and noises now because this is enough power to be "twisting" the chassis, so I'm noticing the more I get on it, the more the car creaks and ticks. Even my alignment was pretty far off from factory, so I have no doubt this is enough power to slowly fatigue the chassis and screw with the suspension and I might have to actually consider braces!

The thing is, we never got that far with Tork. Part of the story there is what's so disappointing: through a comedy of errors, Tork's backend tune combined with the LAP3 Pro Tuner was causing some weird boost bug. Not only was I spiking up to 39 psi (yes, LOGGED 37psi and saw 39psi on my gauge!), but I would be hitting 24-25psi at half throttle. The turbos probably would not have lasted even 3000 miles, but let me just tell you, THAT was some real butt-clenching. The issue there was, as you might guess, it would not last more than a few seconds as the car's overboost would completely kill the throttle. But during those few seconds? Fuuuuuu it felt like I actually got REAR ENDED: the car would rocket forward unbelievably as if I was launching from a stop! If I floored it at freeway speeds, the rear end would DOGTAIL almost into the next lane. It was absolute insanity, and had we figured it out, would probably easily have had a 10 sec Stinger. I was clearly maxing out fuel and WMI as AFR logs during those 1-2 second bursts were around 12.7-12.8, but damn I really wanted that 10 sec daily Stinger lol

But John doesn't like me for reasons he doesn't know are incorrect (perception is everything, right?), and without bringing my car to his shop, he would be unwilling to work on it anyway, so we eventually hit an impasse in both personality and time.

EDIT: Clarity

Wow that sure sounds crazy. As for the chassis braces, I'm at way less power than what you had but I think they are a must. I have the full set and the subframe collars but my car also creaks. Mostly it's when I'm driving out of my driveway or over a speed bump. Before the braces it came from the frame and the suspension. Now it's from the roof and door panels as those re not reinforced lol. The carbon fiber roof no sunroof thing that some sport cars have actually serves a purpose now that I noticed it. Probably not any way to get rid of roof flex now without a real roll cage lol.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Wow that sure sounds crazy. As for the chassis braces, I'm at way less power than what you had but I think they are a must. I have the full set and the subframe collars but my car also creaks. Mostly it's when I'm driving out of my driveway or over a speed bump. Before the braces it came from the frame and the suspension. Now it's from the roof and door panels as those re not reinforced lol. The carbon fiber roof no sunroof thing that some sport cars have actually serves a purpose now that I noticed it. Probably not any way to get rid of roof flex now without a real roll cage lol.

Yea, I'm considering saving up, but I'm also considering the fact that I'm adding more weight to the vehicle. Part of why I've always stuck with 2WD vehicles is not just because I don't drive in inclement weather, but because AWD adds more weight and reduces top end power to the wheels. I've always felt AWD has its place, but moreso as a technological feat than a driver's preference. I cannot deny that modern systems allow AWD vehicles to handle things in ways no human ever could in a RWD vehicle, but until I have no choice, I'd rather save all the weight possible and not add bracing lol

Yes, I'm anal like this, it's why I still haven't gotten wider tires (drag) nor have done any body mods on cars ever lmao... I mean, to me, 5HP is 5HP

 

[General_Vodka]

Yea, I'm considering saving up, but I'm also considering the fact that I'm adding more weight to the vehicle. Part of why I've always stuck with 2WD vehicles is not just because I don't drive in inclement weather, but because AWD adds more weight and reduces top end power to the wheels. I've always felt AWD has its place, but moreso as a technological feat than a driver's preference. I cannot deny that modern systems allow AWD vehicles to handle things in ways no human ever could in a RWD vehicle, but until I have no choice, I'd rather save all the weight possible and not add bracing lol

Yes, I'm anal like this, it's why I still haven't gotten wider tires (drag) nor have done any body mods on cars ever lmao... I mean, to me, 5HP is 5HP

I would take the additional weight the braces add over the massive chassis flex.

 

[cncBilly]

Some of you might have been wondering how much power my car is making. Granted, I still have to write up my lengthy review of the LAP3 ECU tune (and the absolute shit post-sales customer support, like talking to their FB community is going to "fix" the tune's issues), and also the fact that my experience with Tork wasn't any better (but different). Ah the woes of such low vehicle mod support, the few vendors feel no pressure to care because they know it's either them or the highway.

But anyway, here you go: on a MUSTANG dyno, I'm making 486whp. The operator said he calibrated it against a Dynojet and that it's 6% lower. Thus, if I go with about 12-13% losses on a Dynojet, and add in the 6%, I'm looking at 18-19% losses putting me at ~600HP. And honestly, that feels about right: the car is nigh undrivable under 50MPH at full throttle. Heck, even half throttle under 50MPH is a "problem", it's quite unmanageable since I'm a RWD lmfao

EDIT: Clarity/grammar.

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Where/when are you going to post your Lap3 ECU and support review?

 

[ZyroXZ2]

I would take the additional weight the braces add over the massive chassis flex.

You have to look at it from my perspective, though: it's just creaks/ticks. I'm adding weight just to reduce noises.

If the braces improved my traction or something, then of course I'd consider it. But the braces aren't adding any real performance to the vehicle, just reducing chassis flex/fatigue that inevitably happens anyway thanks to regular driving. I may be speeding up the "aging" of the chassis, but the end result is mostly noises and not any real impact on the vehicle's performance that can't be corrected with alignment. When I say chassis fatigue, it's not like this thing is literally twisting until it's on three wheels lol

Again, though, I clearly said considering, so it's not like I don't understand. I'm just weighing it properly between benefits and drawbacks: I'm adding weight and spending money to reduce noises when I could also just turn up the music for free

Where/when are you going to post your Lap3 ECU and support review?

Eventually... I mean, you know my normal review threads are pretty long, and I'm not exactly sitting around with an abundance of time on my hands lol

Part of that was my disappearance from the forum for a long time: I simply didn't have time to sit and type stuff. BUT, it's not like I'm NOT slowly wording the review together.