Kia Stinger Introductory Lease Deal

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Hey. Check this out. It's not too bad. $299/month for the base model with a $3000 down payment. $410/month zero down. On the downside you only get 10k miles per year. For 12k miles the payment goes up to $430/month.

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Definitely a decent deal. I couldn't buy a base model though. Less features than the Optima I currently own.
 
So I've never leased a car. I've always heard that leases were bad deals. What are the benefits? What are the downsides?
 
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So I've never leased a car. I've always heard that leases were bad deals. What are the benefits? What are the downsides?
A lot of that depends on the state you live in. Some states force you to pay sales tax on the total MSRP even though you are only leasing it for 3 years. In these states it is a suckers bet to lease the car. In other states they prorate the sales tax, based on what you are actually paying. (Unfortunately if they give you 5k lease cash or whatever you pay sales tax on that too) in these states it *could* be a better deal to lease the car. You need to pay very close attention to the details and see what the finance rate is and what the residual is. Do the math and see if it makes sense. The benefit to leasing is you are letting the dealer take the risk on the depreciation. If you want the car at the end of the lease you can always choose to buy it. If the car is worth less than your residual give the car back to the dealer and buy it back at the lower cost. If it is worth more, just buy out the lease and you are ahead of the game. The downside of the lease is they can be pretty petty about giving the car back, any miles over, or scratches or dings or custom tints or whatever else they can ding you with they definitely will, so you have to be super careful if you think you might give it back.
 
Hmm I think Alabama taxes leases, but at a lower rate 1.5%). But I just read that the tax is on the dealer, not the lessee, but they may pass it on to the consumer. What does "buy out the lease mean?" Is that all the charges they add on when you bring it back?
 
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Hmm I think Alabama taxes leases, but at a lower rate 1.5%). But I just read that the tax is on the dealer, not the lessee, but they may pass it on to the consumer. What does "buy out the lease mean?" Is that all the charges they add on when you bring it back?
No, when you bring back the car at the end of the lease you have the option to buy it for whatever the residual was.
Ex.
In 2013 I leased a Kia optima sx.
MSRP was 32k+
I talked them down to 29k
Residual was 17k
Add tax title license the payments were 313 a month for 36 months. At the end of 36 months I looked and the car was worth 19,800, so I bought the lease out for the original 17k residual. If the car would have been worth 15 k and I still wanted the car, I would have given it back to the dealer and then bought it back from them for 15k.
 
Ah, OK. So what if the car is not to the dealer's liking when you return it, can you still buy it for the residual or for what it is worth? The dings and scratches only come into play if you want to return it.
 
Ah, OK. So what if the car is not to the dealer's liking when you return it, can you still buy it for the residual or for what it is worth? The dings and scratches only come into play if you want to return it.
The lease contract you have means you can buy it for the residual no matter what. So in my example let's say I trashed the car and put 100k on the odometer I either have to buy it for the original residual of 17k or give the car back and pay all the penalties they assess which can be super excessive. The standard seems to be between 10-12 cents per mile if you are over, but I have seen some as high as 28 cents per mile over. That can add up super quick... Like I mentioned before they are super picky about any damage beyond "normal wear and tear" 200 for a scratches rim, 300 for a ding, 300 for a scratch, 250 for stained carpet, etc. the only exception is if you buy another car from them, I've seen them let some things slide if they can profit from you some other way..
 
Ah, OK. My plan would be to buy it at the end of the lease anyway. And I really don't care about depreciation because I keep cars until they die. The website says .20 cents a mile on the lease.
 
Ah, OK. My plan would be to buy it at the end of the lease anyway. And I really don't care about depreciation because I keep cars until they die. The website says .20 cents a mile on the lease.
Have them give you the numbers for both and do the math and see what makes more sense.. if you know you are going to keep it for at least 6 years, my guess would be buying it will be cheaper in the long run. (Assuming you have the credit to get a good rate and can pay it off in no longer than 60 months)The only other thing to check, is some companies will force you to get gap coverage if you lease. (Gap coverage pays the difference between what the car is worth, and what you owe if it gets totaled)
 
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Thanks for the info. I've had my current car for 17 years and I despise car notes. Buying would be my first choice, but that leasing deal is very attractive. Leasing seems like a gamble though.
 
Thanks for the info. I've had my current car for 17 years and I despise car notes. Buying would be my first choice, but that leasing deal is very attractive. Leasing seems like a gamble though.
what do you feel about leasing is a gamble?
 
Thanks for the info. I've had my current car for 17 years and I despise car notes. Buying would be my first choice, but that leasing deal is very attractive. Leasing seems like a gamble though.
Normally I would agree with you, but right now, I believe it would be stupid to buy it, even if you are planning on keeping it forever. Don't let me tell you how to spend your money, but I believe you are interested in the 2.0, correct? Let's look at the numbers.
Look at the deal they are offering on the lease. On that 2.0 car they are offering, 4800 in lease cash. The alternative to buy it is to get .9 percent APR for 60 months. If you do the math, the discounted APR over 60 months does not even come close to 4800. If you take the lease payment and add the 3k they want down that comes out to about 382 a month effective cost. If you buy it at their rate you are looking at 560 a month, and their interest rate over a standard rate you can get at any credit union would save you around 1250 bucks total over 5 years. 4800 is more than 1250 every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Right now it is a no brainier to lease it, and that's before you even start to think about what happens if the car is a lemon and depreciation is horrible. It's a first year car and might not be 100% buttoned down.
 
So I've never leased a car. I've always heard that leases were bad deals. What are the benefits? What are the downsides?
Leases generally have higher finance costs than a car loan, say, through your credit union. Plus, if you exceed the mileage limitations, the overage fees can pile up fast. My preference has always been to take care of my new car and drive it until it rusts apart. At some point it's fully paid off or depreciated and then you're only paying for maintenance and occasional repairs and your property tax is relatively low. However, with a significant part of the Stinger's value tied up in electronic technology, when the main unit goes, it will not be like going to NAPA for a new cap and rotor. If the main electronic unit dies, getting and installing a replacement (if they're even available) will be prohibitively expensive earlier in the car's "life" than frugal Yankees like I am used to.
 
Have them give you the numbers for both and do the math and see what makes more sense.. if you know you are going to keep it for at least 6 years, my guess would be buying it will be cheaper in the long run. (Assuming you have the credit to get a good rate and can pay it off in no longer than 60 months)The only other thing to check, is some companies will force you to get gap coverage if you lease. (Gap coverage pays the difference between what the car is worth, and what you owe if it gets totaled)

KMF provides gap coverage though. That's a plus.
 

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Ouch, that residual is even worse than I thought it might be. Kia is estimating that after 3 years and 30k miles the car will lose between 46% and 49% of it's value. (Depending on model)
Besides the lease cash this is another reason that a lease is the only way to go. Buying it outright IMO would be a horrible idea. (Although those money factor rates aren't real great)
But on the bright side, anyone willing to wait 3 years should be able to find some good deals on a car with 30k miles on it.
 
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I'm curious if anyone has been able to negotiate under MSRP for a GT/GT1/GT2 package. I saw in another search that there is about 2700-2800 dollars worth of wiggle room between MSRP and invoice.
 
Ouch, that residual is even worse than I thought it might be. Kia is estimating that after 3 years and 30k miles the car will lose between 46% and 49% of it's value. (Depending on model)
Besides the lease cash this is another reason that a lease is the only way to go. Buying it outright IMO would be a horrible idea. (Although those money factor rates aren't real great)
But on the bright side, anyone willing to wait 3 years should be able to find some good deals on a car with 30k miles on it.

Question: How would the residual affect me if my plan is to buy it after the lease? Does it make it a bad deal?
 
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