Kagantuned is now able to flash tune our ECU via CANBUS!

[StungBlueGT2]

It’s still in the beginning stages, but he just announced that he doesn’t need to open our ECU and will be flash tuning via CANBUS in the near future!

He is currently offering a full ECU tune that made 410whp/470wtq on his completely stock Stinger, and those results are from a Mustang dyno. If that’s like most Mustang dynos that run 10-12% lower than dynojets he potentially could be making upwards of 460whp with NO other mods.

His website is still being worked on, but he has a basic version up with a few vehicles listed and his Stinger ECU tune is on sale for only $750. Kaganader Tuning

I’ll post more info when he shares any new updates, but both these developments are amazing advances for our Stingers!

 

[NS_Stinger]

This sounds great and all but a little too good to be true, no sparkplug upgrades or anything required to put down those kind of numbers? I'm skeptical.

 

[Frenchy_418]

This sounds great and all but a little too good to be true, no sparkplug upgrades or anything required to put down those kind of numbers? I'm skeptical.

Its written in the provided link and I Quote "This Tune is designed for OEM Turbo and no modifications done (With the exception of spark plugs upgraded and gapped appropriately)."

 

[Toddasaurus]

I want to get more details about this. Looks really good, in terms of just numbers. Though I really like the additional features that another ECU tune has where smaller gapped plugs are not needed, along with several other features that result in faster shifting. Hopefully we can get more details about this tune... Also, I see he is mentioning a stage 2 tune, but I don't see anything more about it. Color me curious! Thanks for the find.


Edit: Am I missing something? I don't see anything on their website about flashing via CANBus. The site says to remove your ECU and send it to them just like all other ECU flashes out there.

Edit 2: Re-read your original post and I see that you said it's coming soon. Gotcha. Sorry! Haha.

 

[oddball]

The key here is once one person cracks the security controls, the secret sauce spreads quickly. So once the crack is done, all the vendors will offer flash tunes as quickly as they can.

 

[Regs120]

The key here is once one person cracks the security controls, the secret sauce spreads quickly. So once the crack is done, all the vendors will offer flash tunes as quickly as they can.

All good news!!! I like tunes from reputable companies with a proven track record. Backyard garage tuners scare me and they usually don't care about the longevity or drivability of your car .

 

[StungBlueGT2]

This sounds great and all but a little too good to be true, no sparkplug upgrades or anything required to put down those kind of numbers? I'm skeptical.

Yes as Frenchy reiterated, upgraded & regapped plugs were included to hit these numbers, but absolutely no other mods were used.

I want to get more details about this. Looks really good, in terms of just numbers. Though I really like the additional features that another ECU tune has where smaller gapped plugs are not needed, along with several other features that result in faster shifting. Hopefully we can get more details about this tune... Also, I see he is mentioning a stage 2 tune, but I don't see anything more about it. Color me curious! Thanks for the find.

Edit: Am I missing something? I don't see anything on their website about flashing via CANBus. The site says to remove your ECU and send it to them just like all other ECU flashes out there.

Edit 2: Re-read your original post and I see that you said it's coming soon. Gotcha. Sorry! Haha.

What tuner doesn’t recommend regapped or upgraded plugs? Any reputable tuner knows that higher boost needs smaller gaps so not following that fact is just asking for trouble and gambling with your car.

Also what tuner is adjusting our TCU for quicker shifting? I’m not aware of that feature being available while tuning an ECU and curious where you heard that?

He just finalized the stage 1 tune but the stage 2 is in the works and should be developed in the near future.

And yes so far he only announced the flash tuning via CANBUS in my IG group chat and said he’s working on the details. This is still in the testing phase but he will be trying it on a Stinger very soon.

The key here is once one person cracks the security controls, the secret sauce spreads quickly. So once the crack is done, all the vendors will offer flash tunes as quickly as they can.

I agree and it’s about time someone came through for us. This will be a big advancement for our platform and can’t wait to see what they can do with our Stingers once this is official.

All good news!!! I like tunes from reputable companies with a proven track record. Backyard garage tuners scare me and they usually don't care about the longevity or drivability of your car .

Ditto that and one reason Kagantuned didn’t release his tune until recently was for that exact reason. His motto is “drivability is my #1 priority” and he made sure this tune was that way before releasing it.

 

[NYdito]

Keep in mind guys he bought the car so I know he is series.

 

[Socalstinga]

So if tuning via canbus, I’m assuming he would be remote tuning? Or send you a bench flash to upload via canbus? Although no one is tuning the tcu, shouldn’t you still be able to tune throttle position on shifts?

 

[Toddasaurus]

What tuner doesn’t recommend regapped or upgraded plugs? Any reputable tuner knows that higher boost needs smaller gaps so not following that fact is just asking for trouble and gambling with your car.

Also what tuner is adjusting our TCU for quicker shifting? I’m not aware of that feature being available while tuning an ECU and curious where you heard that?

Woah, not trying to bash anyone or anything here, just asking questions . First of all, I never said they don't recommend a spark plug upgrade. I was only talking about the gap. Second, I never said anything about a TCU flash.

Tork's ECU tune utilises longer dwell time with the ignition coils, overcoming the need to run such a tight gap (ie it can be bigger than 0.020-0.022). They also allow the throttle body to stay completely open during low speed, and during shifts, which results in less power loss during shifts and a higher rpm in launch mode. These details can be seen in the Tork back end flash thread.

My point is that there are several factors to consider when looking at an ECU flash, and I'm curious about this tuner as I've never heard of him. His numbers look fantastic, so I am curious if he's bringing other details to the table in addition to a strong powerband. I brought up home flashing a while ago on another thread, so I'm following up with more questions.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Woah, not trying to bash anyone or anything here, just asking questions . First of all, I never said they don't recommend a spark plug upgrade. I was only talking about the gap. Second, I never said anything about a TCU flash.

Tork's ECU tune utilises longer dwell time with the ignition coils, overcoming the need to run such a tight gap (ie it can be bigger than 0.020-0.022). They also allow the throttle body to stay completely open during low speed, and during shifts, which results in less power loss during shifts and a higher rpm in launch mode. These details can be seen in the Tork back end flash thread.

My point is that there are several factors to consider when looking at an ECU flash, and I'm curious about this tuner as I've never heard of him. His numbers look fantastic, so I am curious if he's bringing other details to the table in addition to a strong powerband. I brought up home flashing a while ago on another thread, so I'm following up with more questions.

I apologize if my response came across as aggressive as that wasnt my intention. I just didnt understand your statement saying that those features were available on other tunes.

As far as I know every tuner including Tork recommends upgraded and smaller gapped plugs. They might not be as small as the 0.026 suggested for piggybacks(0.022 was only on Densos for max performance), but Tork and Kagantuned both say to use HKS40il/45il plugs which are pre-gapped considerably smaller than our stock NGK plugs. I believe they come with 0.028 gaps compared to the 0.032-0.036 our OEM plugs came with from the factory.

Also you didnt mention TCU flashes, but you said "features that result in faster shifting". The speed of the gear change is controlled by the TCU which is why I was confused. I see now you were talking about throttle control for less power loss between shifts. This would be possible with Kagans tuning as well, but those are built in protects for our transmission/drivetrain and since "drivability" is his #1 priority I dont believe he wants to add that extra wear & tear for a minimal advantage. I think Tonka said those upgrades saved about 0.1-0.2 off his 1/4m times which probably isnt worth the potential negatives that come with those features. I can ask him if he will do that for those wanting to push the envelope further than the extra power his tune provides.

I do agree there are many factors to consider, and Kagantuned isn't a name that's recognized(yet) with Kias, but look him up and you will see he has a great reputation and many reliable high performance cars. FYI- I followed and praised John for his early developments on our Stingers, but once I saw how he treated customers and researched his long history of failed companies causing damaged/blown motors, etc. I realized why so many people warned that his "reputation precedes him".

Just keep that in mind when choosing your tuner and that customer service and reputation are usually bigger factors than a couple questionable features that save a fraction of a second over the competition.

Sorry again for the misunderstanding and hope that helps clarify.

 

[Toddasaurus]

I apologize if my response came across as aggressive as that wasnt my intention. I just didnt understand your statement saying that those features were available on other tunes.

As far as I know every tuner including Tork recommends upgraded and smaller gapped plugs. They might not be as small as the 0.026 suggested for piggybacks(0.022 was only on Densos for max performance), but Tork and Kagantuned both say to use HKS40il/45il plugs which are pre-gapped considerably smaller than our stock NGK plugs. I believe they come with 0.028 gaps compared to the 0.032-0.036 our OEM plugs came with from the factory.

Also you didnt mention TCU flashes, but you said "features that result in faster shifting". The speed of the gear change is controlled by the TCU which is why I was confused. I see now you were talking about throttle control for less power loss between shifts. This would be possible with Kagans tuning as well, but those are built in protects for our transmission/drivetrain and since "drivability" is his #1 priority I dont believe he wants to add that extra wear & tear for a minimal advantage. I think Tonka said those upgrades saved about 0.1-0.2 off his 1/4m times which probably isnt worth the potential negatives that come with those features. I can ask him if he will do that for those wanting to push the envelope further than the extra power his tune provides.

I do agree there are many factors to consider, and Kagantuned isn't a name that's recognized(yet) with Kias, but look him up and you will see he has a great reputation and many reliable high performance cars. FYI- I followed and praised John for his early developments on our Stingers, but once I saw how he treated customers and researched his long history of failed companies causing damaged/blown motors, etc. I realized why so many people warned that his "reputation precedes him".

Just keep that in mind when choosing your tuner and that customer service and reputation are usually bigger factors than a couple questionable features that save a fraction of a second over the competition.

Sorry again for the misunderstanding and hope that helps clarify.

No need to apologise! I was the cranky one. I appreciate you finding the details about this tune!!

Edit: I also agree with the potential safety concerns about those other features. Thinking about it more makes me want to keep those things intact, especially when putting down more power - especially considering my luck. Lol.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Bump - hoping to see him post a baseline graph compared to this tune. I want to believe this is making more power than the other flash tunes out there so far, but realistically these numbers *could* due to a overly generous dyno.

Excited to hear more updates about this! Thanks again for finding this for us!

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

So if tuning via canbus, I’m assuming he would be remote tuning? Or send you a bench flash to upload via canbus? Although no one is tuning the tcu, shouldn’t you still be able to tune throttle position on shifts?

Remote tuning is already here.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Just got an email back from Chris, he told me the baseline dyno showed 316whp and 336wtq. His current tune (410 whp) runs up to 18 psi of boost. 93 octane. That's pretty dang impressive if you ask me, for an otherwise totally stock car. He also has a 91 octane map he is working on/testing that is not quite as aggressive.

I'd like to see what he gets at 20 psi. He said he is looking to make more power with the tune.

I'm hopeful he is able to figure out the CANBus situation. I'd really like to flash at home by myself.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Remote tuning is already here.

Are there any actual tuners offering remote tuning themselves? I’ve only heard individuals like Thorne speak about showing people that they can buy the equipment for ~$600 but then you have to find a tuner to buy the actual tuned software separately. I believe Kagantuned is the first tuner that said he will begin offering remote tuning to his customers directly, which should save some time & money.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Are there any actual tuners offering remote tuning themselves? I’ve only heard individuals like Thorne speak about showing people that they can buy the equipment for ~$600 but then you have to find a tuner to buy the actual tuned software separately. I believe Kagantuned is the first tuner that said he will begin offering remote tuning to his customers directly, which should save some time & money.

Yes. Talk to any Alphaspeed dealer that's local to you.

 

[suburbandoom]

The text describing the tune is verbatim from BTR/Alphaspeed. Am I missing something here?

 

[Socalstinga]

The text describing the tune is verbatim from BTR/Alphaspeed. Am I missing something here?

I always thought these two tunes were one and the same

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I always thought these two tunes were one and the same

Kagan is not an alpha speed dealer.