Going to full manual mode with a "shift by wire" transmission?

[richpfeiferjr]

I own a '22 GT2 AWD with shift by wire. This is the first car I've had with this type of transmission. I know with my other cars I would just move the shifter to the left and it would put it in manual mode - but this isn't available with shift by wire. Other than hitting the paddle shifters, is there a way to engage manual mode with this type of shifter?
Thanks
-Rich

 

[nhcowboy28]

I own a '22 GT2 AWD with shift by wire. This is the first car I've had with this type of transmission. I know with my other cars I would just move the shifter to the left and it would put it in manual mode - but this isn't available with shift by wire. Other than hitting the paddle shifters, is there a way to engage manual mode with this type of shifter?
Thanks
-Rich

No.

 

[JSolo]

If you put it in sport mode then use paddles, doesn't it hold the gears then?

 

[cncBilly]

If you put it in sport mode then use paddles, doesn't it hold the gears then?

No.

 

[JSolo]

Shifter-which is "better" and why?

The GT2 has the drive by wire shifter that does not have a manual shift mode. All the other models have the "mechanical" shifter that does give you the ability to put it into manual mode, and keep it there until you put it back into auto mode (unlike the paddle shifters which revert back to auto...

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[cncBilly]

Shifter-which is "better" and why?

The GT2 has the drive by wire shifter that does not have a manual shift mode. All the other models have the "mechanical" shifter that does give you the ability to put it into manual mode, and keep it there until you put it back into auto mode (unlike the paddle shifters which revert back to auto...

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[vipeboy2000]

No.

i think your traction/stability has too be off as well.. or at least traction i think while in sport... but it still goes to auto when you come to a stop i think... I do have the manual T shifter so can stay in manual all the time which is nice.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

If you put it in sport mode then use paddles, doesn't it hold the gears then?

Mine does, but that could either be a Tork TCU or Lozic ECU thing.

 

[cncBilly]

i think your traction/stability has too be off as well.. or at least traction i think while in sport... but it still goes to auto when you come to a stop i think... I do have the manual T shifter so can stay in manual all the time which is nice.

I have shift by wire and know exactly what the characteristics are. But thx.

 

[JSolo]

I'll check the owner's manual later to see if they document this at all.

On the 2.5 it's got the mechanical shifter. If i tap it left to manual mode it will hold the gears, but can't recall what the behavior is when in D and sport mode on. I realize it's a different design entirely and doesn't apply to the OP's question.

 

[vipeboy2000]

I'll check the owner's manual later to see if they document this at all.

On the 2.5 it's got the mechanical shifter. If i tap it left to manual mode it will hold the gears, but can't recall what the behavior is when in D and sport mode on. I realize it's a different design entirely and doesn't apply to the OP's question.

On my older gt with the t shifter, the behavior is the same as the shift by wire model when just in drive. Automatically goes to auto after a min or so if regular driving after pulling the paddle shifter in most modes unless you are in sport , then it stays in manual mode until you either pull the paddle for 3 seconds or come to a stop.

 

[JSolo]

@viper & cnc; The above is from a 2022 owners manual. Perhaps the canadian models have different programming and behave differently than US models?

 

[vipeboy2000]

Ah I guess it's only hold for 1 second to go back to auto. It feels longer . But all the other parameters seem the same for my t shifter model when not in the manual gate mode.

 

[StingertimeNC]

In sport mode, mine stays in manual mode once I start using the paddles. it will stay indefinitely, but if I get really deep in the throttle, it will downshift automatically, or if I redline, it will upshift automatically, but it still stays in manual mode even after the auto shift. if I slow down dramatically (like just coasting down to 10 mph), it will drop down to 2nd gear. A complete stop and it will go back to auto. If I turn off traction and stability, it will hold gears indefinitely, like redline and just bounce off the rev limiter. essentially it does just about everything you would want under most circumstances, other than sometimes it won't upshift on demand when I'm on the track and really pushing the car. it's definitely not perfect by any means but it's pretty good.

 

[oddball]

Just to check, I hope everyone realizes that both a "traditional" shifter and a "shift by wire" shifter only change how the gear selector on the trans moves between P, R, N and D.
This trans does not have a manual valve body.
So with the "traditional" shifter, in "manual" mode, the trans is in "D" and it's electronic control that's setting the gears. Exactly the same as just in D.
So with a "shift by wire" shifter, using the paddles, the trans is in "D" and it's electronic control that's setting the gears. Exactly the same as just in D.

In ye-olden-days, you could put a full manual valve body in a trans and have true control - the trans would go in the gear you select and that's it. Or even with stock valve bodies you could go down through the gears which would limit how high the trans would shift, but not how low. Modern transmissions don't do that via mechanical means anymore.

Anyway, all this to say, the ECU/TCU setup has complete control over how the trans will act. Having a "traditional" vs a "shift by wire" shifter has nothing to do with it. That's literally just what kind of knob you've got in the cabin.

IMO it's even funnier, because the "shift by wire" has an actuator bolted to the side of the trans that moves the manual shift lever exactly the same as the cable moves it for the traditional shifter. On transverse drivelines this is nice because it gets rid of the ridiculously long shift cable and lets them package the shifter however they want - which is why I expect we saw it on minivans and similar first. I do like that I can roll to a stop and just hit engine off and it shifts to park and shuts down. My wife's Subaru has a wire shifter and I keep forgetting to shift to park......

 

[JSolo]

Kia really should have offered this car in a 6 spd with 3 pedals. One could granny shift if they wanted or stay in one gear without shifting at all

@oddball doesn't the car shift into park automatically when turned off?

I realize it's all TCU controlled, but there's something about having a shifter with actual detents for the various positions. I hate cars with push button trans control. After driving manuals for decades, that seems entirely artificial.