The Buying Process Fred Anderson Kia - Raleigh, North Carolina

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Recently purchased a GT2 from this dealership. The process was relatively simple and straightforward. I was straight with them and they were straight with me. The reasons:

1. Be prepared. Research the car and dealer costs. Read forums (like this one). I had a spreadsheet with dealer costs and possible offers with me. I knew what to expect from them and knew what I was willing to offer.
2. Arrange your financing before you enter the dealership. Talk to your bank in advance. Determine the max amount you qualify for and get approved for that amount in advance.
3. Learn what fees and dealer add-ons are real and what are simply profit generators. Make it clear to them what you will and will not pay for.
4. Know that the dealer is there to make a profit which is absolutely fine, also know that you are not willing to overpay.
5. Use the Internet. The internet has a wealth of information available for free. YouTube also has great videos about car buying and cars. Use it before you set foot in a dealership.
6. Be prepared to walk out if things go south. Don't be rude, don't raise your voice, this is simply business negotiation. Be polite, treat them with respect, look them in the eye and be firm.
7. Knowledge is power. The more you know the more powerful you will be in any negotiation.

In my case: I knew what my bottom line was. I didn't have a trade in. I was ready to purchase right away for the right price. The sales person asked me for my bottom line up front and I told her. I convinced her that I was serious and that it was a take it or leave it offer. The sales manager, Kevin, spoke with me and showed me his figures. I was clear with him about my bottom line and understood that I hadn't included his added cost for the marketing fee Kia charges them. After a few hundred dollars adjustment, we agreed on the deal. After that it was waiting a few hours to get the car detailed, fill out multiple forms, and get my check approved (I ended up going to my bank for a cashier's check and returning to the dealership.) I drove home my new Stinger that day. The dealer was happy and I was happy.

The simpler you make the deal the easier it is for everybody. When you start talking trade-in and dealer financing you get in the weeds and will inevitably pay more than you want. Do your homework before you get to the dealership, or you will pay too much.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
 
Recently purchased a GT2 from this dealership. The process was relatively simple and straightforward. I was straight with them and they were straight with me. The reasons:

1. Be prepared. Research the car and dealer costs. Read forums (like this one). I had a spreadsheet with dealer costs and possible offers with me. I knew what to expect from them and knew what I was willing to offer.
2. Arrange your financing before you enter the dealership. Talk to your bank in advance. Determine the max amount you qualify for and get approved for that amount in advance.
3. Learn what fees and dealer add-ons are real and what are simply profit generators. Make it clear to them what you will and will not pay for.
4. Know that the dealer is there to make a profit which is absolutely fine, also know that you are not willing to overpay.
5. Use the Internet. The internet has a wealth of information available for free. YouTube also has great videos about car buying and cars. Use it before you set foot in a dealership.
6. Be prepared to walk out if things go south. Don't be rude, don't raise your voice, this is simply business negotiation. Be polite, treat them with respect, look them in the eye and be firm.
7. Knowledge is power. The more you know the more powerful you will be in any negotiation.

In my case: I knew what my bottom line was. I didn't have a trade in. I was ready to purchase right away for the right price. The sales person asked me for my bottom line up front and I told her. I convinced her that I was serious and that it was a take it or leave it offer. The sales manager, Kevin, spoke with me and showed me his figures. I was clear with him about my bottom line and understood that I hadn't included his added cost for the marketing fee Kia charges them. After a few hundred dollars adjustment, we agreed on the deal. After that it was waiting a few hours to get the car detailed, fill out multiple forms, and get my check approved (I ended up going to my bank for a cashier's check and returning to the dealership.) I drove home my new Stinger that day. The dealer was happy and I was happy.

The simpler you make the deal the easier it is for everybody. When you start talking trade-in and dealer financing you get in the weeds and will inevitably pay more than you want. Do your homework before you get to the dealership, or you will pay too much.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
So True .
 
There is no law against a dealer charging you every penny they can squeeze out of you, which is increasingly easy when they can hide it in the monthly payment and you have no idea what you are really paying. Salesmen make a living on making as much money on sales as they can. It may be legal, but it's unethical to take advantage of a customer who is not prepared and knows the numbers in advance. Caveat emptor.

Sadly, too many dealerships today look only at today's profits, not long term repeat business. Know your dealership, know your salesman and when you find a good one, buy from him/her and tell others why you did. My first dealer offer not only cost that dealer a sale, but it will cost them several more sales from people I talk to.
 
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They can't hide fees in any monthly payment if you know the numbers. I did lease without immediate buyout and knew all numbers inside and out. No hiding anything. Granted that this process does present opportunity for more math issues but not if you know how the math works.

Best of luck to all.

Oh and I got hosed on that DMG fee also. Mine was $456 and they were willing to lose the sale over it. Not sure why I am paying for them to market the car. Anyway, it was my #1 being a yellow gt2 RWD so I ate the $456.
 
They can't hide fees in any monthly payment if you know the numbers. I did lease without immediate buyout and knew all numbers inside and out. No hiding anything. Granted that this process does present opportunity for more math issues but not if you know how the math works.

Best of luck to all.

Oh and I got hosed on that DMG fee also. Mine was $456 and they were willing to lose the sale over it. Not sure why I am paying for them to market the car. Anyway, it was my #1 being a yellow gt2 RWD so I ate the $456.

That DMG is an actual cost that the dealer must pay Kia for all those national and regional Kia commercials. What they don't disclose is the holdback payment they get from Kia after the sale, which can add up to 3% of the retail price of the vehicle. That's how they can sell some vehicles at invoice and still make money.
 
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That DMG is an actual cost that the dealer must pay Kia for all those national and regional Kia commercials. What they don't disclose is the holdback payment they get from Kia after the sale, which can add up to 3% of the retail price of the vehicle. That's how they can sell some vehicles at invoice and still make money.
Agreed on the holdback. Dealer advised me it was $1200 - $1500 on this one so not sure if that is true or not but those figures are in the 3% range for my GT2 RWD.

Also of note, i am not certain if they received teh holdback since i did a lease buyout so quickly??
 
2. Arrange your financing before you enter the dealership. Talk to your bank in advance. Determine the max amount you qualify for and get approved for that amount in advance.

The simpler you make the deal the easier it is for everybody. When you start talking trade-in and dealer financing you get in the weeds and will inevitably pay more than you want. Do your homework before you get to the dealership, or you will pay too much.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

This is one of those times where what would normally be good advice is actually bad advice in this specific case. The financing should definitely be done with the dealer since if KMFUSA finances or leases it you will see $2,000-$6,800 extra cash in your pocket. You can then immediately refi or buyout the lease.

It’s well worth the hassle of doing the 2nd round of battle with the finance guys at the dealer in order to get the insane deal (in my opinion). The dealer is also likely to be willing to go lower on the price if they know that they will be doing the financing.
 
Agreed on the holdback. Dealer advised me it was $1200 - $1500 on this one so not sure if that is true or not but those figures are in the 3% range for my GT2 RWD.

Also of note, i am not certain if they received teh holdback since i did a lease buyout so quickly??

The hold back and financing are separate. They got the hold back.
 
This is one of those times where what would normally be good advice is actually bad advice in this specific case. The financing should definitely be done with the dealer since if KMFUSA finances or leases it you will see $2,000-$6,800 extra cash in your pocket. You can then immediately refi or buyout the lease.

It’s well worth the hassle of doing the 2nd round of battle with the finance guys at the dealer in order to get the insane deal (in my opinion). The dealer is also likely to be willing to go lower on the price if they know that they will be doing the financing.
Have outside financing available IF you plan to lease then buy. KMF will NOT finance a buyout AFTER you lease. Lease then buy allows to take best advance to lease cash deal should you desire to keep the car long term. Def worth the extra effort.
 
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