brakes improvement?

"There's no question the Giulia is the sports sedan in this comparison and the Stinger is the grand tourer. "

Exactly as conceived, designed and carried out. You should know what kind of car you want.

"Despite the larger hardware, the lighter Giulia out-stopped the Stinger in 60-to-zero-mph testing, stopping in 116.9 feet versus the Stinger's 119.2 feet. That's far from the end of the matter, however."

No, that is the end of the matter. They proceed to compare on the track, lapping to see what the brakes do upon sustained demand. The Alfa "could be" a track car. The Stinger never was or will be a track car. Less than three feet in a 60 to 0 stop test is nothing. In the real world of touring/traveling, and daily driving, an emergency stop is all you need. And the brakes in these two cars stop the car quickly and safely. The brakes in the larger, heavier Stinger don't need improvement, unless you are going to track it (for fun).

"The Stinger's best lap took 1:52.48 versus the Giulia's 1:55.53."

They complain about the brakes on the Stinger, but isn't lapping faster what it's all about? You don't feel "confident" in the Stinger when braking compared to the Alfa, but the Stinger works? Isn't adaptation to what the car is what marks a better driver? You don't always get the "feel" you want, but if you can lap faster you say "I'll take the faster car". Nothing else matters.

Bottom line: the Stinger concept is a high performance, luxurious, comfortable, utilitarian gran turismo with 70s retro design chops; far more car for less money. It wins. To get close with an Alfa you have to spend twenty grand more. Even then it won't compete as a gran turismo, it just outperforms the Stinger on the track.
 
The same inespecific formula:
Stainless steel brake lines
Better brake fluid with higher boiling point
Drilled, slotted and ventilated brake rotors
Maybe a Brembo calipers with one piston more than the OEM???
 
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Those things will help but my guess is the pads are probably a huge part of the problem since they usually go pretty conservative with OEM pads. I bet a simple pad change would make a big difference. I'd normally mention tires as being part of the problem but the Stinger already comes with a great set of those.
 
"There's no question the Giulia is the sports sedan in this comparison and the Stinger is the grand tourer. "

Exactly as conceived, designed and carried out. You should know what kind of car you want.

"Despite the larger hardware, the lighter Giulia out-stopped the Stinger in 60-to-zero-mph testing, stopping in 116.9 feet versus the Stinger's 119.2 feet. That's far from the end of the matter, however."

No, that is the end of the matter. They proceed to compare on the track, lapping to see what the brakes do upon sustained demand. The Alfa "could be" a track car. The Stinger never was or will be a track car. Less than three feet in a 60 to 0 stop test is nothing. In the real world of touring/traveling, and daily driving, an emergency stop is all you need. And the brakes in these two cars stop the car quickly and safely. The brakes in the larger, heavier Stinger don't need improvement, unless you are going to track it (for fun).

"The Stinger's best lap took 1:52.48 versus the Giulia's 1:55.53."

They complain about the brakes on the Stinger, but isn't lapping faster what it's all about? You don't feel "confident" in the Stinger when braking compared to the Alfa, but the Stinger works? Isn't adaptation to what the car is what marks a better driver? You don't always get the "feel" you want, but if you can lap faster you say "I'll take the faster car". Nothing else matters.

Bottom line: the Stinger concept is a high performance, luxurious, comfortable, utilitarian gran turismo with 70s retro design chops; far more car for less money. It wins. To get close with an Alfa you have to spend twenty grand more. Even then it won't compete as a gran turismo, it just outperforms the Stinger on the track.

I totally agree with you, and I haven't experience anything bad with the brakes, and I really love the car. It looks great and it is a real headturner. I was just wondering what it could be done for those people that want to go to the track, even if this is a GT car, or push it on a nice twisty mountain road. I don't think it is an unfair review toward the Stinger, a bit biased yes, but not too bad. The Stinger won all the aspects except handling and braking, two "issues" basically reported by everyone that pushed the car toward the limit.
I don't go to the track, and I am not driving like a crazy person, and the Stinger for me is the perfect companion for my long daily commute.
 
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Rather than lecturing you on perceived Kia PR campaign of what a GT is and isn’t I will focus on what can be done to improve overall braking capability of the Stinger on track. Plenty of “grand touring” cars hit the track successfully and I’d argue the Stinger has all right bones to be a fun track car. After all plenty of bmw 5 series see track time and they are far more of a grand touring car than our Stingers. And heck us with RWD GT cars aren’t much heavier than past gen Camaro s and Mustangs. Lightweight battery, lighter exhaust and wheels puts us in 3700 lb range. Our brakes are more than capable if properly upgraded.

Here are key elements.

1. Upgrade to performance brake pads are critical. No sense in using oem street pads on the track
Hell my Porsche’s on stock pads don’t do well on track. It’s weird that anyone complains about street pads not lasting on track especially in a heavy car. I haven’t looked but there should be track pads that should fit our cars. Just need to figure out which ones fit. Hawk, porter, pagid, others make great track pads and suspect one of these guys will come out with a pad for Stinger.
2. Upgraded high heat brake fluid. Castrol SRF race fluid is excellent high heat fluid. $$
3. Stainless steel brake lines not requied but will improve feel.
4. Eliminate rotating weight by going to aluminum hat rotors and lightweight forged race wheels. This is a huge improvement that many people overlook. We can easily knock 15 lbs a corner off our cars.

Can assure with these mods our brakes are more than adequate.
 
But let's say, hypothetically, I would like to improve the brakes on the GT2. nothing extreme, just a more efficient and powerful braking power (mine feel a bit spongy at the beginning)...what would be the cost, and would you actually do. Thanks
 
But let's say, hypothetically, I would like to improve the brakes on the GT2. nothing extreme, just a more efficient and powerful braking power (mine feel a bit spongy at the beginning)...what would be the cost, and would you actually do. Thanks

Did you even read his reply?

1. Upgrade to performance brake pads
2. Upgraded high heat brake fluid
3. Stainless steel brake lines
4. Eliminate rotating weight

As to cost, you can look up parts prices yourself or, if you plan to pay someone to make these changes, suggest you find a local performance shop and get them to quote you.
 
But let's say, hypothetically, I would like to improve the brakes on the GT2. nothing extreme, just a more efficient and powerful braking power (mine feel a bit spongy at the beginning)...what would be the cost, and would you actually do. Thanks

A quick, easy, not expensive upgrade for North American Stingers is to upgrade the brake pads.
Our USA models are delivered with Fairly decent Brembo brakes. However, here in the states, we get less aggressive brake pads than other Stingers around the world.

We get Ceramic brake pads. These smooth (dull) brake feel, last longer, produce less dust, and have less aggressive initial bite than the more performance oriented pads used in other markets.

USA Brembo Ceramic Pad Part #’s
Front 58101J5A51 (...A50 discontinued)
Rear 58302J5A50

European Brembo Semimetallic Pad Part #’s
58101J5A55 Front
58302J5A55 Rear

A simple swap to the Euro pads will yield a more positive braking feel and experience.
The pedal will be much more sharp and responsive.
If you have ever switched from ceramics to metallics or vice verse on the same car, you know the treat you are in for with the Euro pads.
 
A quick, easy, not expensive upgrade for North American Stingers is to upgrade the brake pads.
Our USA models are delivered with Fairly decent Brembo brakes. However, here in the states, we get less aggressive brake pads than other Stingers around the world.

We get Ceramic brake pads. These smooth (dull) brake feel, last longer, produce less dust, and have less aggressive initial bite than the more performance oriented pads used in other markets.

USA Brembo Ceramic Pad Part #’s
Front 58101J5A51 (...A50 discontinued)
Rear 58302J5A50

European Brembo Semimetallic Pad Part #’s
58101J5A55 Front
58302J5A55 Rear

A simple swap to the Euro pads will yield a more positive braking feel and experience.
The pedal will be much more sharp and responsive.
If you have ever switched from ceramics to metallics or vice verse on the same car, you know the treat you are in for with the Euro pads.
Thank you for the reply.
 
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Pads, SS brake lines and a DOT 4 fluid make all the difference. Recently upgraded my Miata track car to DOT4 and SS brake lines, as week as a pad compound change, and it made a night and day difference.
The same could be said for an vehicle.
 
European Brembo Semimetallic Pad Part #’s
58101J5A55 Front
58302J5A55 Rear

A simple swap to the Euro pads will yield a more positive braking feel and experience.
The pedal will be much more sharp and responsive.
If you have ever switched from ceramics to metallics or vice verse on the same car, you know the treat you are in for with the Euro pads.

Thanks for the European pad part numbers. From a driving perspective, these will likely offer a superior driving experience. However, anyone considering a metallic or semi-metallic pad should know that the brake dust is more corrosive than ceramic dust. If not washed and removed regularly, it can (over time) remove the paint/finish from wheels and calipers.
 
Now the big question, how impossible is it to purchase the European brake pads in the US?
 
Now the big question, how impossible is it to purchase the European brake pads in the US?

I have tried wholesale and consumer parts distributors, as well as all the common brick-and-mortar parts suppliers, and none have any brake pads available for the Stinger. I also checked the Brembo part numbers provided above, and they show up as invalid on the Brembo US and EU sites. I've also tried to find part numbers from EBC and StopTech - no luck.

So I'd say at the moment it is indeed impossible to purchase them here, which sucks.
 
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Now the big question, how impossible is it to purchase the European brake pads in the US?

Your local Kia dealer can order them if you supply the part #’s.
Alternatively, you can order them from an International OEM parts store.
Go to www*partsouq*com and they will ship to the USA and everywhere else.
 
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I have tried wholesale and consumer parts distributors, as well as all the common brick-and-mortar parts suppliers, and none have any brake pads available for the Stinger. I also checked the Brembo part numbers provided above, and they show up as invalid on the Brembo US and EU sites. I've also tried to find part numbers from EBC and StopTech - no luck.

So I'd say at the moment it is indeed impossible to purchase them here, which sucks.

The part #’s that I listed belong to the Kia/Hyundai database, not Brembo. An international Kia partshouse like www*partsouq*com will supply them to buyers around the globe.

Please excuse the web format above, the forum blocks it when I enter it correctly.
 
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