ARP Head Studs torque Question?

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I've just received the ARP Head studs for my 22' 3.3 stinger, I found the spec for the head studs to the block are 30/60/90 FT-lbs. but my concern is, that in the package I got 8 studs, 8 nuts, and 16 washers. I've looked around on the internet for instructions and cylinder head torque specs but can't find anything.
So my question is does anyone know if I use 1 or 2 washers per stud and are the nuts OEM torque specifications or not?
 
I found the spec for the head studs to the block are 30/60/90 FT-lbs
Are you sure this is correct? Normally with head studs, you thread them in and out a few times to clear any debris/burrs, then just bottom them out in the block -- hand tight with basically zero torque. Then the 30/60/90 lbs-ft (or whatever the torque progression is for that stud/engine combo) is for the nuts once the heads are on.

Also surprised to hear it's only 8 studs. I haven't pulled the heads on the Stinger, but I would've expected 8 per side or 16 total for a V6.
 
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Yeah that is my bad i do have 16 studs... I forgot the 2nd head. So I guess Im confused with this

Per ALLDATA, Oem spec says (27.5-30.4 lbft) (+118-122) (+88-92)
*But all I can see online for ARP studs*
"Use enough moly to make sure there is no friction and then tighten down from the interior studs out in a 3 step sequence 30/60/90ft lbs. with a 12point 1/2 inch
**Main Studs require slight clearancing on oil pump housing"
 
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Per ALLDATA, Oem spec says (27.5-30.4 lbft) (+118-122) (+88-92)
I believe this is saying that you torque all bolts to 30 lbs-ft, then another 120 degrees, then another 90 degrees.

They are probably "torque to yield", meaning you are stretching them outside their elastic range and into the plastic range, so rotational torque is a less reliable measure. And plastic deformation is permanent, which is why they tell you not to reuse them.

Going from OEM bolts to ARP studs is a bit apples-to-oranges, but you could take note of how far your bolt/wrench rotate for the 60 & 90 lbs-ft stages as a comparison.
 
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Thank you for responding to this. I just couldn't warp my head around this but When you said it that way it clicked in my head.
Clamping force: is less with the arp's because they don't flex and oem do.
So if I put any torque on the studs threads that thread in to the block that will be add more force to block threads when I tighten the head down. And then risk ripping threads out of the block.
 
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Clamping force: is less with the arp's because they don't flex and oem do.
I would assume that clamping force (that is, the linear force down the length of the bolt) is higher because that's generally the point of going to aftermarket head studs: to keep the heads from lifting under increased cylinder pressure.

The rotational torque may be less, or not -- hard to say since they use different tightening techniques. You'd need to either measure how much torque it takes for new OEM head bolts to each 30 lbs-ft + 120 degrees + 90 degrees, or how many degrees degrees past 30 lbs-ft the ARP studs take to hit 90 lbs-ft.

If the ARP studs are stronger, it may take less stretch to achieve the same clamping force, but it also probably takes more rotational torque to achieve a given stretch, so you could end up around the same place.

So if I put any torque on the studs threads that thread in to the block that will be add more force to block threads when I tighten the head down. And then risk ripping threads out of the block.
Aside from aftermarket fasteners being designed to a higher strength in general, one of the things that tends to make studs better than bolts is that the bolt will only be partially threaded as you tighten it, while the stud starts out fully threaded (as does the nut up top), so you always have full thread engagement as you tension the bolt.

Since the stud is free to rotate within the head, and typically comes with lubrication, my assumption is that torque is applied more or less evenly between the threads in the block and those in the nut. If you were to torque the stud into the block, and then torque down the nut, my *guess* is the block-side threads wouldn't see much additional torque until the nut-side approached the torque the block was already under, ie your pre-torquing would be more unnecessary than catastrophic, but I certainly wouldn't risk my threads finding out :cool:

Maybe someone more well-versed with the mechanics of fasteners can chime in...
 
If you're using ARP2000s, they're actually weaker than the OEM head studs in terms of clamp force which doesn't do anything for you if you're upgrading them to stop the heads from lifting off the block.
 
If you're using ARP2000s, they're actually weaker than the OEM head studs in terms of clamp force which doesn't do anything for you if you're upgrading them to stop the heads from lifting off the block.
Do you have any more color on this? Studs in generally provide more clamping (and more even clamping) than bolts.

And while I would believe that for some cars stock head bolts aren't a limiting factor, there have been reports of head lift in heavily modified Stingers. And even if that weren't the case, I wouldn't expect anyone to offer aftermarket studs that didn't at least match OEM strength.
 
Little late to this thread but It’s hard now a days to get reliable information from the Stinger community especially when there are certain brands that will put out fake information to do cash grabs. Over the year I’ve found someone who shows proof and is reliable when it comes to information and that would be KJT (KimJongTuned) this isn’t a promotion but i highly recommend all of you to go check out his fb page. He has talked about certain brands (ARP) for example having “fake studs”. So do some due diligence before buying from certain brands.
 
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