2018 Kia Stinger GT - My Long-Term Ownership Updates

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I won't go into all the features and initial impressions as this can be found in this thread here. Instead this is more about my discoveries and impressions throughout my ownership.

I'll kick this off after 8 months in and 10,800km (6700 miles) with future posts on later updates.

PROS:
- Despite some minor build issues (further below), overall solid quality and feel remain though a tad less than the IS and RC F which were rock solid.
- Fuel economy "good", mixed city/hwy 21 mpg, which is about 1.5 mpg better than my last IS300 F Sport AWD.
- The handling remains excellent thanks to its sharp steering, nimble feel, and flat nearly-neutral cornering with minimal initial understeer.
- Played around with the launch control and very impressively strong launch - it snaps you back and you sense the AWD makes full use of that power.
- Smooth auto start/stop.
- Minimal brake dust despite the Brembos/performance pads.

- Excellent road trip "GT" car. The 1000 mile round-trip to Chicago and back with my wife and two teens solidifies how well-rounded this machine is. It hauled all our cargo, had plenty of passenger room, was near RX-level quiet and comfortable, and of course effortless in power.
  • the seats are great both front and rear without any discomfort experienced by myself nor any of my family.
  • the radar cruise and LKA work great and are are more responsive than in the Lexus system (RX, IS, NX, RC F) keeping the car better centered in the lane with quicker acceleration to maintain preset distance with the car ahead.
  • the ride quality is taut but with a certain polish that gives it a comfortable ride especially on the hwy. Feels GS-like. The 114.4" wheelbase is a noticeable contributor to this.
  • tracks very linearly with barely any steering adjustments (though I had LKA on all the time).
  • 26 hwy mpg for the trip averaging around 75 mph!
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CONS:
- Rear visibility continues to be difficult. I'm not very tall at 5'9 yet I have to crouch to see any cars in my rear view mirror.
- Rear suspension floats a bit on irregular road surfaces, more noticeable on corners. Never unsettled in this situation, but just not as buttoned down as you'd expect in a sports sedan (IS and A4 better planted at the rear).

- Three unscheduled visits to the dealer to address build/quality issues:
  • Paddle shifter looseness/cheapness. (Dealer said it's normal. When I checked the Stinger in the showroom, it was actually worse than mine so I've accepted this for now).
  • Door moves slightly vertically causing some squeaking around the B-pillar/door frame (dealer was unable to tighten the door/adjust the latch so I did it myself and squeaking is gone).
  • Rear hatch rattle (TSB and two unsuccessful attempts by the dealer. I added a thicker washer to the hatch stoppers on both sides and rattle is gone for good).
  • DRL LED strip burnt out. Dealer replaced entire driver's front light module under warranty ($2600 for the part only!).
  • Uneven driver door panel gap. Dealer unable to fix. I improved it slightly when I adjusted the door latch above.
- Seeing pre-mature color wear on the driver's seat (lumbar area). Might be a fourth unscheduled visit coming...
- Radio volume has a mind of its own. It lowers and raises the volume by 10-20% for no apparent reason. Some other owners have reported this too. Might combine this with the fourth unscheduled visit...
- Buggy and slow Evo Remote app control. It's nice to start your car and control climate settings from your phone but it typically takes about 2+ mins from the time you launch the app to the time the car starts. Sometimes, the request fails and you have to re-initiate it.


OTHER POINTS:
- Car is dropped on H&R springs (1.2" f, 1.3" r) which improved cornering/body-roll but decreased ride comfort slightly. Car feels a tad bouncier, but never harsh and still comfortable. (Drive to Chicago was with the springs already on)
- Car is on new 2Crave no.34 wheels as my summer set. 20x8.5 f (235/35) and 20x10 r (275/30). Perfect fit, no rubbing, and love the look and stance.
- Have not brought it to the track. Car handles well, overall better than an IS F Sport AWD or A4 S-Line, but not in RC F territory which had a significantly more planted rear end with a true TVD (not brake induced like the Stinger's).
- I really like the 3.3TT V6's low end torque. There's barely any lag. It feels like how a V8 should feel down low. Effortless thrust on launch which especially comes alive in Sport mode. In comparison, the RC F's V8 below 3800 rpm feels under-powered, however, the opposite is true in the upper revs where the TT V6 is no match to the higher revving brute thrust of the Lexus V8. From a standing start in the city over short distances, I expect the Stinger will beat the RC F 4 out of 5 times, but in a rolling start with the RC F in gear above 3800 rpm over a longer stretch, my money is on the RC F.
- Car remains a head turner
biggrin.gif
. Maserati is the most common brand people think the car is, then Porsche/Panamera. I don't pretend it is and I take pleasure in seeing people's reactions once I tell them it's a KIA
wink.gif
. Heck, my neighbor who is somewhat of a car guy for weeks thought I replaced the RC F with a Maserati LOL. He thought I was pulling his leg it's a KIA. Of course, this speaks to the car's premium look thanks to the Thunder Gray (Panthera Metal) color, contrasting dark chrome mirrors/door vents, low long hood/RWD proportions, and fastback 5-door styling.

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So 8 months in and I still own the car which for those who know me is starting to say quite a bit. I got bored of the A4 after 6 weeks, 12 months with my last IS, and in general two years ownership is a great car. Today, I have zero inkling to change the Stinger at all. Short of the minor build/quality issues, I really like this car and see many more ownership months ahead. Future updates to come...
 
I won't go into all the features and initial impressions as this can be found in this thread here. Instead this is more about my discoveries and impressions throughout my ownership.

I'll kick this off after 8 months in and 10,800km (6700 miles) with future posts on later updates.

PROS:
- Despite some minor build issues (further below), overall solid quality and feel remain though a tad less than the IS and RC F which were rock solid.
- Fuel economy "good", mixed city/hwy 21 mpg, which is about 1.5 mpg better than my last IS300 F Sport AWD.
- The handling remains excellent thanks to its sharp steering, nimble feel, and flat nearly-neutral cornering with minimal initial understeer.
- Played around with the launch control and very impressively strong launch - it snaps you back and you sense the AWD makes full use of that power.
- Smooth auto start/stop.
- Minimal brake dust despite the Brembos/performance pads.

- Excellent road trip "GT" car. The 1000 mile round-trip to Chicago and back with my wife and two teens solidifies how well-rounded this machine is. It hauled all our cargo, had plenty of passenger room, was near RX-level quiet and comfortable, and of course effortless in power.
  • the seats are great both front and rear without any discomfort experienced by myself nor any of my family.
  • the radar cruise and LKA (Lane Keep Assist) work great and are are more responsive than in the Lexus system (RX, IS, NX, RC F) keeping the car better centered in the lane with quicker acceleration to maintain preset distance with the car ahead.
  • the ride quality is taut but with a certain polish that gives it a comfortable ride especially on the hwy. Feels GS-like. The 114.4" wheelbase is a noticeable contributor to this.
  • tracks very linearly with barely any steering adjustments (though I had LKA (Lane Keep Assist) on all the time).
  • 26 hwy mpg for the trip averaging around 75 mph!
20180702_051051_d7ea5ed7144edc4da8f68cc4a3e0100c320d66b0.jpg

20180725_084018_61ba94f397e8533b6d373ec50c69222258e55c19.jpg


CONS:
- Rear visibility continues to be difficult. I'm not very tall at 5'9 yet I have to crouch to see any cars in my rear view mirror.
- Rear suspension floats a bit on irregular road surfaces, more noticeable on corners. Never unsettled in this situation, but just not as buttoned down as you'd expect in a sports sedan (IS and A4 better planted at the rear).

- Three unscheduled visits to the dealer to address build/quality issues:
  • Paddle shifter looseness/cheapness. (Dealer said it's normal. When I checked the Stinger in the showroom, it was actually worse than mine so I've accepted this for now).
  • Door moves slightly vertically causing some squeaking around the B-pillar/door frame (dealer was unable to tighten the door/adjust the latch so I did it myself and squeaking is gone).
  • Rear hatch rattle (TSB and two unsuccessful attempts by the dealer. I added a thicker washer to the hatch stoppers on both sides and rattle is gone for good).
  • DRL LED strip burnt out. Dealer replaced entire driver's front light module under warranty ($2600 for the part only!).
  • Uneven driver door panel gap. Dealer unable to fix. I improved it slightly when I adjusted the door latch above.
- Seeing pre-mature color wear on the driver's seat (lumbar area). Might be a fourth unscheduled visit coming...
- Radio volume has a mind of its own. It lowers and raises the volume by 10-20% for no apparent reason. Some other owners have reported this too. Might combine this with the fourth unscheduled visit...
- Buggy and slow Evo Remote app control. It's nice to start your car and control climate settings from your phone but it typically takes about 2+ mins from the time you launch the app to the time the car starts. Sometimes, the request fails and you have to re-initiate it.


OTHER POINTS:
- Car is dropped on H&R springs (1.2" f, 1.3" r) which improved cornering/body-roll but decreased ride comfort slightly. Car feels a tad bouncier, but never harsh and still comfortable. (Drive to Chicago was with the springs already on)
- Car is on new 2Crave no.34 wheels as my summer set. 20x8.5 f (235/35) and 20x10 r (275/30). Perfect fit, no rubbing, and love the look and stance.
- Have not brought it to the track. Car handles well, overall better than an IS F Sport AWD or A4 S-Line, but not in RC F territory which had a significantly more planted rear end with a true TVD (not brake induced like the Stinger's).
- I really like the 3.3TT V6's low end torque. There's barely any lag. It feels like how a V8 should feel down low. Effortless thrust on launch which especially comes alive in Sport mode. In comparison, the RC F's V8 below 3800 rpm feels under-powered, however, the opposite is true in the upper revs where the TT V6 is no match to the higher revving brute thrust of the Lexus V8. From a standing start in the city over short distances, I expect the Stinger will beat the RC F 4 out of 5 times, but in a rolling start with the RC F in gear above 3800 rpm over a longer stretch, my money is on the RC F.
- Car remains a head turner
biggrin.gif
. Maserati is the most common brand people think the car is, then Porsche/Panamera. I don't pretend it is and I take pleasure in seeing people's reactions once I tell them it's a KIA
wink.gif
. Heck, my neighbor who is somewhat of a car guy for weeks thought I replaced the RC F with a Maserati LOL. He thought I was pulling his leg it's a KIA. Of course, this speaks to the car's premium look thanks to the Thunder Gray (Panthera Metal) color, contrasting dark chrome mirrors/door vents, low long hood/RWD proportions, and fastback 5-door styling.

20180715_154811_f786912dfa9f5d96f81141d9c857b28da1450dbc.jpg

20180725_085050_c1db028ce0db48f7857c5ca719f027f57aa60734.jpg


So 8 months in and I still own the car which for those who know me is starting to say quite a bit. I got bored of the A4 after 6 weeks, 12 months with my last IS, and in general two years ownership is a great car. Today, I have zero inkling to change the Stinger at all. Short of the minor build/quality issues, I really like this car and see many more ownership months ahead. Future updates to come...
Wow, you put a lot of work into this!
Enjoyable read.
 
Great write up, thanks! The layout looks like it could come from an auto magazine, nice job!
 
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Thanks for the review. It reads like an Autoweek long term user review (whatever they call those things that last up to a year with the car). I especially liked the part extolling how comfortable as a touring car the Stinger is. That and the low end acceleration. Both are qualities I wanted and expected in the Stinger, and I am more than satisfied.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
Great read, out of curiousity what is your build date?
 
what type of tires do you have on those rims?
 
I love the look of your Stinger! I am thinking about getting some new rims. Your setup is perfect!
 
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From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
Car is on new 2Crave no.34 wheels as my summer set. 20x8.5 f (235/35) and 20x10 r (275/30). Perfect fit, no rubbing, and love the look and stance.

May I know what is the OFFSET for those nice front and rear wheels?
 
I have the same color and get tons of looks/questions every single day! Excellent write-up.
 
Thanks for the comments!

Tires are Durun M626.
Wheel offsets are +30 f +42 r.
Car Build is Nov 2017 (among the first builds)
 
Thanks for the comments!

Tires are Durun M626.
Wheel offsets are +30 f +42 r.
Car Build is Nov 2017 (among the first builds)

Thanks for the great update. Really appreciate your inputs and thoughts.

I am just wondering if your Stinger comes with electronic controlled suspension.

When you changed the stock springs to H&R spring to lower the ride, will there be any impact on the stock shock and the electronic setup? Really love the lowered stance on the ride but my concern is on the forced compression on the stock shock setup.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
Great ride and set up...can't wait until I put my Eibech Spring and volk rims on mine this weekend.
 
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Thanks for the great update. Really appreciate your inputs and thoughts.

I am just wondering if your Stinger comes with electronic controlled suspension.

When you changed the stock springs to H&R spring to lower the ride, will there be any impact on the stock shock and the electronic setup? Really love the lowered stance on the ride but my concern is on the forced compression on the stock shock setup.

Yes GT models in N. America come with the adaptive dampers.

No impact to any of the electronics with the lowering springs. However, long term longevity of the dampers (electronic or not) may be shortened with any lowering springs because of the additional compression as you state, but I'm not concerned since I keep cars for 2-3 years.
 
Yes GT models in N. America come with the adaptive dampers.

No impact to any of the electronics with the lowering springs. However, long term longevity of the dampers (electronic or not) may be shortened with any lowering springs because of the additional compression as you state, but I'm not concerned since I keep cars for 2-3 years.

Thanks for your sharing. I did the lowering springs for my previous ride and less than 2 years later the stock shocks showed signs of leakage. In the end, I ditched the relatively new springs and stock shocks for a more expensive suspension setup.

If you don’t keep cars for a longer term, it makes perfect sense to mod the lowering springs for that awesome planted stance at a fraction of cost. Sweet!!! Love the setup of your Stinger!!! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
I don’t foresee issues w/ the eibachs, literally less than an inch even after settling. Now it might be a different story if the springs were 1.5+ inch drops. My previous car had h&r springs and I had shock issues before switching out to koni but those springs lowered 1.5 right off the bat and settled to a lil over the 1.75 inches
 
I don’t foresee issues w/ the eibachs, literally less than an inch even after settling. Now it might be a different story if the springs were 1.5+ inch drops. My previous car had h&r springs and I had shock issues before switching out to koni but those springs lowered 1.5 right off the bat and settled to a lil over the 1.75 inches

That’s great! It’s probably Eibachs springs are not meant for lowering the ride but to provide owner a firmer ride and better handling. Hence, I would pick up a set of Eibachs for the ride handling while sacrificing the aesthetics. It’s a trade-off.... tough decision!
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
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