Lap3 ECU tune

[Bull dog]

LOL starts the fight by saying he has proof and what Terry says is fake news. Terry provides facts showing he is full of BS. Then he asks for more proof....that he already has but wont share? This is insane

@Terry@BMS dont waste your time. All of us can see these two have no clue what they are talking about

Truest statement on this thread

 

[gingfreaccs]

Terry Burger is sounding more like John Bushbaum back in his early days.

 

[gingfreaccs]

So anyways...... This is the 1st dragy I've done with boost at launch. Luciddreamer seems to have posted it already XD

Mods List as follows
Lap3 Stage 2.5 ECU tune.
Lap3 Stage 4 Meth 80/20mix 640cc
Lap3 Catless Downpipe
Borla Catback
AEM Intakes
HKS Plugs
~About $5200

93 Octane Fuel w/ E83 for E30 (Sheetz)
Stock FMIC
Stock Midpipe
Stock Wheels w/ Michelin Primacy A/S tires @ about 22k miles

1 psi Boost Launch in this run @ 1.5k RPM

I haven't had to reach out for a third party to "adjust" the tune. No need for EWG wires, No IAT spoofers, No Race fuel yet.

Throttle response is 1:1 so no need for wind booster or anything like that.

I'll be putting on RPF1's and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S for drag day and hopefully get down to 11.20's

 

[Lord3Putt]

≈$2k for an OTS tune is a bit high...IMO.

How are updates to be handled?

I'd be interested if/when OBD2 flashing is available.

 

[gingfreaccs]

≈$2k for an OTS tune is a bit high...IMO.

How are updates to be handled?

I'd be interested if/when OBD2 flashing is available.

Sending it back to get remapped is the only realistic option. Since I still have my OEM ecu, I can just swap and there is no down time. So if I have stage 1 and I want to get remapped to stage 2 then I'll just have to send it back.

 

[gingfreaccs]

I'm going to assume that since we don't have any OBD flashing right now because OBD flashing costs thousands of dollars. Anyone can write into the ECU with those tools.

 

[STINGER]

So anyways...... This is the 1st dragy I've done with boost at launch. Luciddreamer seems to have posted it already XD

Mods List as follows
Lap3 Stage 2.5 ECU tune.
Lap3 Stage 4 Meth 80/20mix - Dual Injection (Cuz im boujee)
Lap3 Catless Downpipe
Borla Catback
AEM Intakes
HKS Plugs
~About $5200

93 Octane Fuel w/ E83 for E30 (Sheetz)
Stock FMIC
Stock Midpipe
Stock Wheels w/ Michelin Primacy A/S tires @ about 22k miles

1 psi Boost Launch in this run @ 1.5k RPM

I haven't had to reach out for a third party to "adjust" the tune. No need for EWG wires, No IAT spoofers, No Race fuel yet.

Throttle response is 1:1 so no need for wind booster or anything like that.

I'll be putting on RPF1's and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S for drag day and hopefully get down to 11.20's

Awesome and thanks for the details. GT, GT1 or 2? and did you do any weight reduction?

Did you have a piggyback before, how is the drivability and response compared to that.

 

[Lord3Putt]

I'd actually be more concerned with updates. It's one thing to send the ecu in via mail to upgrade to a different map...once. But, what about every time Lap3 decides to improve the tune. On my last vehicle, B8.5 S4, the tuner (EPL) had almost a dozen different revisions during the time I ran it...not counting the times I sent him logs and he made custom changes for me. Without OBD2 flashing that would be almost impossible.

Unless Lap3 decided their tune is just "good enough" and doesn't feel like bettering it. That isn't the type of tune I ,personally, would spend $2k+ on.

 

[gingfreaccs]

Awesome and thanks for the details. GT, GT1 or 2? and did you do any weight reduction?

Did you have a piggyback before, how is the drivability and response compared to that.

I have a GT2 AWD, fully loaded. No weight reduction yet.

I had a Lap3 Protuner.

I've driven with the ECU tune now since Dec 29 and I've put in 1000+ miles on it (I drive a lot lol). Driveability as a daily - no issues there. Part throttle is so smooth and when you get on boost it just goes with no hesitations. I've raced the big turbo kit stinger again, and uhhh I still lost but not as bad as before. Raced another fella with a protuner with meth and I've dusted him off the line and pulled on him on a 40 roll. Lap3 ECU stage 2.5, you'll have the edge. I've yet to find a jb4 user that's willing to race near me for comparison but I can say in 100% confidence that I will dust him/her no matter who it is.

 

[gingfreaccs]

I'd actually be more concerned with updates. It's one thing to send the ecu in via mail to upgrade to a different map...once. But, what about every time Lap3 decides to improve the tune. On my last vehicle, B8.5 S4, the tuner (EPL) had almost a dozen different revisions during the time I ran it...not counting the times I sent him logs and he made custom changes for me. Without OBD2 flashing that would be almost impossible.

Unless Lap3 decided their tune is just "good enough" and doesn't feel like bettering it. That isn't the type of tune I ,personally, would spend $2k+ on.

It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it. I've sent my logs since I got the tune to Lap3USA and everything is perfect and no revisions necessary.

 

[jd284]

I'd actually be more concerned with updates. It's one thing to send the ecu in via mail to upgrade to a different map...once. But, what about every time Lap3 decides to improve the tune. On my last vehicle, B8.5 S4, the tuner (EPL) had almost a dozen different revisions during the time I ran it...not counting the times I sent him logs and he made custom changes for me. Without OBD2 flashing that would be almost impossible.

Unless Lap3 decided their tune is just "good enough" and doesn't feel like bettering it. That isn't the type of tune I ,personally, would spend $2k+ on.

Agreed. I asked this question and it went unanswered. I also asked what happens if you trade in the car or get into an accident - you’re SOL. If accident they said make it a part of the insurance claim, which sounds like a gray area that could backfire especially if you’re at fault. When comparing risk reward it doesn’t make sense when other solutions are comparable and less expensive. I respect the hours of research that went into this, but customer support is crucial in a market like today and Terry and and John have lap3 beat by a long shot. Not only from personal experience, but from reading social media. That being said, it looks like a good option in the market but I ruled it out for a mix of reasons

 

[gingfreaccs]

Agreed. I asked this question and it went unanswered. I also asked what happens if you trade in the car or get into an accident - you’re SOL. If accident they said make it a part of the insurance claim, which sounds like a gray area that could backfire especially if you’re at fault. When comparing risk reward it doesn’t make sense when other solutions are comparable and less expensive. I respect the hours of research that went into this, but customer support is crucial in a market like today and Terry and and John have lap3 beat by a long shot. Not only from personal experience, but from reading social media. That being said, it looks like a good option in the market but I ruled it out for a mix of reasons

If your hardware install is fine then you have nothing to worry about. If you want to upgrade your map from stage 1 to stage 2.5, send it back for a remap. Put your oem ecu back so no downtime.

I’m currently satisfied with this ECU tune, and will be running at the track soon. In my own opinion, if you have to constantly revise your tune and/or adjust your map or buy extra accessories just to make your car run right....... I’d question the ability of your device or tuner. But hey you save money right?

 

[12listen4]

There’s a lot of details missing. For example, why would the Pro Tuner be needed if the ECU is tuned? Are they saying they require you to spend the $1000 on the Pro Tuner before shelling out the additional money for the ECU tune? That’s probably not the case, but those are questions that come to mind. I can see needing the tuner or JB4 for meth control, but outside of that, why would someone buy it when an ECU tune is available. I’ll come back once there’s more information.

Depending on mods there are different stages of the ecu tune that is available , it is detailed on the lap3usa site

 

[12listen4]

Agreed. I asked this question and it went unanswered. I also asked what happens if you trade in the car or get into an accident - you’re SOL. If accident they said make it a part of the insurance claim, which sounds like a gray area that could backfire especially if you’re at fault. When comparing risk reward it doesn’t make sense when other solutions are comparable and less expensive. I respect the hours of research that went into this, but customer support is crucial in a market like today and Terry and and John have lap3 beat by a long shot. Not only from personal experience, but from reading social media. That being said, it looks like a good option in the market but I ruled it out for a mix of reasons

I'm curious to what you are expecting if you sell your other into an accident and you say your SOL? And from my personal experience the customer service you spoke of from one of the other tuners was non existent and the other blocked me on FB ( hahahahhah) because I guess I didn't agree with his thinking, so with that lap3 blows them out of the water. What was your personal experience with lap3 that you speak of that wasn't great, I'm curious?

 

[jd284]

If your hardware install is fine then you have nothing to worry about. If you want to upgrade your map from stage 1 to stage 2.5, send it back for a remap. Put your oem ecu back so no downtime.

I’m currently satisfied with this ECU tune, and will be running at the track soon. In my own opinion, if you have to constantly revise your tune and/or adjust your map or buy extra accessories just to make your car run right....... I’d question the ability of your device or tuner. But hey you save money right?

It’s more about flexibility and convenience than saving money, for me at least. A tune should be revised over time anyways - it is evolving. Unless lap 3 already has access to the thousands of maps in the ecu and has thought of every possibility. For example John has found new maps and incorporates them into the tune over time. Terry has released firmware and some map changes over time. I respect all tuners of the platform and personally I’m not looking to be the fastest stinger. I value the relationship with the tuner as much as the tune itself. Only advice I could give is be more open and communicative with the community, and answer the questions asked. I know everyone’s busy but that can make or break a sale or customer. Glad you are enjoying your tune. Trust me, it was a hard choice

 

[jd284]

I'm curious to what you are expecting if you sell your other into an accident and you say your SOL? And from my personal experience the customer service you spoke of from one of the other tuners was non existent and the other blocked me on FB ( hahahahhah) because I guess I didn't agree with his thinking, so with that lap3 blows them out of the water. What was your personal experience with lap3 that you speak of that wasn't great, I'm curious?

I understand everyone has a different experience with each vendor. At least with a piggyback it can possibly be removed depending on severity, and with the ecu it can be removed as well. But there was no mention of reprogramming the ecu to a new car.. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are very busy and missed my question. It wasn’t a direct message. I was simply asking for rwtq and 0-60 , 1/4 mi times for the stage 1 and 1.5
It’s not that the experience wasn’t great, it just did not exist. But I probably did not push it enough to get answered

 

[Lord3Putt]

If your hardware install is fine then you have nothing to worry about. If you want to upgrade your map from stage 1 to stage 2.5, send it back for a remap. Put your oem ecu back so no downtime.

I’m currently satisfied with this ECU tune, and will be running at the track soon. In my own opinion, if you have to constantly revise your tune and/or adjust your map or buy extra accessories just to make your car run right....... I’d question the ability of your device or tuner. But hey you save money right?

On my last car I had 3 tunes on file: Stock/Stage 2 91oct/Stage 2 E30. It was nice because if E85 wasn't accessible to me I could just flash to my 91oct tune. No running a stock map for 2 weeks.

Also, if a tuner is 100% fine with running their tune on a dozen cars for a few months and then on to the next project, I'd question their integrity. But hey, they're making money...right?

 

[gingfreaccs]

It’s more about flexibility and convenience than saving money, for me at least. A tune should be revised over time anyways - it is evolving. Unless lap 3 already has access to the thousands of maps in the ecu and has thought of every possibility. For example John has found new maps and incorporates them into the tune over time. Terry has released firmware and some map changes over time. I respect all tuners of the platform and personally I’m not looking to be the fastest stinger. I value the relationship with the tuner as much as the tune itself. Only advice I could give is be more open and communicative with the community, and answer the questions asked. I know everyone’s busy but that can make or break a sale or customer. Glad you are enjoying your tune. Trust me, it was a hard choice

Torque management systems, nannies... All are unlocked and adjusted accordingly. That’s why ECU is encrypted to prevent others from taking a peak at what they’ve done.

 

[gingfreaccs]

On my last car I had 3 tunes on file: Stock/Stage 2 91oct/Stage 2 E30. It was nice because if E85 wasn't accessible to me I could just flash to my 91oct tune. No running a stock map for 2 weeks.

Also, if a tuner is 100% fine with running their tune on a dozen cars for a few months and then on to the next project, I'd question their integrity. But hey, they're making money...right?

They have been tuning KDM cars for 20+ years.
No revisions were ever needed for the Optima platform that you tuned or modded. I’m having the same experience as them right now. Stage 2.5 tune is perfect.

Unlike jb4 that continuously needs adjustment due to fighting oem ecu limiters, a properly mapped vehicle is the way to go.

I unfortunately never had Jb4 but in a couple of weeks it seems a handful of people have switched over from jb4 to Lap3 ecu tune so they’ll be able to tell you more.

 

[Oryan]

While I do prefer a ECU tune over a piggyback..2k for a canned 93 octane map is crazy. I've got no interest in WMI. Nor do I see anything that makes me believe Stage 1.5 would do significantly better than Map 2 for my car, at least not worth 2k. Similar priced/configured cars can get tuned with a lot more support and end user flexibility for half that, if not less.