What's your favorite Mando setting! Post it!

After driving the that car around for a month plus on the winter tires and using the Comfort setting of the Mando unit, I decided to try out the other settings. With the warmer temps we have been getting, while the car rides well, I am constantly reminded of the limits on the tires when I go into a corner too quickly. Has anyone else come up with any new setting they want to share?
 
Wishing I had more time to try things out..
 
Got the module installed, initial impressions are pretty positive on the comfort as well as custom settings using Wayne 1 settings as a template + 5-10% at every speed above 100km. I have eibach springs and sways so i opted for a slightly higher dampening to match. So far, the results at local speeds very comfy soaking up the little imperfections of crappy Socal roads and well controlled body motions during the short highway stint without being harsh or sloppy. I'm going to play with the fine tunning particularly with compression and rebound at higher speeds once I get a chance for more highway miles and a bit more spirited driving. With the stiffer swaybar settings, I imagine, i might have to bump up rebound compression a bit for stability in turns, but @Waynerm002 settings work great with Eibach springs/sways.

Here's the link to my write up after adding the springs and sways

The Best Suspension Mod for your Stinger: Another Eibach springs/swaybar review
 
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I ordered the full Whiteline sway / end link kit during their sale, and also Ark GT-F springs.. Will be installed sometime end of January..
 
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I was considering getting those springs when I had the 2018, but with the 2019 feeling more buttoned down, I didn't feel the need to change anything but get a way to tune the ECS. My wishes came through in the form of the Mando unit and I love it. My buddy keeps telling me I should add the sway bar as well, I am thinking about it but so far I'm not annoyed about anything to want to make that change. Looking forward to hearing your experience with those spring, I liked that they didn't lower the car much but provided a better ride. Keep us posted.
 
Hey all! Happy New year!
Installed the Mando about a month ago. I drive a 2018 GT2 3.3 AWD with the Eibach Pro kit (front and back sways and springs). Haven't had time to mess with the settings at all, but have been following this thread religiously. Wayne and XO have been a great help! Finally tested the Mando comfort mode. My Eibach kit was one of the best mods for my car, really improved handling drastically!!! My ride without the Mando module, with my Eibachs, was a bit jarring, even over small bumps. BUT OMG!!! With Mando in comfort today, for the first time, it really smoothed everything out really nice! Glided over all road imperfections, but still have my Eibach gold handling! Gonna delve more into this Mando thing (after the Superbowl:)). Love the name ... MANDO!!!
 
Ok, I've been driving with "Wayne1" (because I set it before Wayne2 came out, IIRC) for a couple of months. Really got used to it.

Got a new (company) phone - S10 is SO much nicer than the S7 that was dying... However, lost my previously-saved Wayne1 settings, so when I went to check, I ended up setting back to the default sport, because that's probably still better than OEM, and I'm pretty happy with it.

Anyway - the main point of this post: I'm participating in an auto-x school (learn how to do various things like slalom, sweepers, corners, etc) and then an auto-x this weekend. And, since my cross-drilled rotors put me into STU (street touring unlimited) class anyway, they said it's ok to run full jb4 + ecs10. I'm a novice, so, whatever, not going to set any records.

Anyone have some ideas of what settings would be suitable for "really good handling, who cars about stiffness" for speeds under ~60 mph? I doubt I'll get much more than that. And I may tweak a little in general.

Does ride map to compression and handling to damping or the other way around, or something? Any hints? Obviously, I don't want to go full stiff to begin. But, which one to bump up to begin with?
 
Ok, I've been driving with "Wayne1" (because I set it before Wayne2 came out, IIRC) for a couple of months. Really got used to it.

Got a new (company) phone - S10 is SO much nicer than the S7 that was dying... However, lost my previously-saved Wayne1 settings, so when I went to check, I ended up setting back to the default sport, because that's probably still better than OEM, and I'm pretty happy with it.

Anyway - the main point of this post: I'm participating in an auto-x school (learn how to do various things like slalom, sweepers, corners, etc) and then an auto-x this weekend. And, since my cross-drilled rotors put me into STU (street touring unlimited) class anyway, they said it's ok to run full jb4 + ecs10. I'm a novice, so, whatever, not going to set any records.

Anyone have some ideas of what settings would be suitable for "really good handling, who cars about stiffness" for speeds under ~60 mph? I doubt I'll get much more than that. And I may tweak a little in general.

Does ride map to compression and handling to damping or the other way around, or something? Any hints? Obviously, I don't want to go full stiff to begin. But, which one to bump up to begin with?

From my testing I don't believe ride is compression only and same for handling being rebound. I think our adaptive suspension is more complex than that and adjusts these when it senses certain conditions. I believe handing is how the shocks react under certain conditions such as cornering, acceleration, braking, etc.. It seems as though ride is how soft the shocks are under normal driving like going straight down a road. There are sensors that measure things going on, not sure what exactly but probably acceleration force, braking and g force in cornering. I know is true because some folks have had to have the sensors replaced.

I think Ty Davis has some device had can hook up and monitor the voltages and changes in voltages to the shocks during driving. Hopefully he will chime in here.
 
Thanks, itguy. Will definitely play around with it..
 
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From my testing I don't believe ride is compression only and same for handling being rebound. I think our adaptive suspension is more complex than that and adjusts these when it senses certain conditions. I believe handing is how the shocks react under certain conditions such as cornering, acceleration, braking, etc.. It seems as though ride is how soft the shocks are under normal driving like going straight down a road. There are sensors that measure things going on, not sure what exactly but probably acceleration force, braking and g force in cornering. I know is true because some folks have had to have the sensors replaced.

I think Ty Davis has some device had can hook up and monitor the voltages and changes in voltages to the shocks during driving. Hopefully he will chime in here.

I did do a bit of data logging and you are correct. The damping rates are always being adjusted on the fly.
There seems to be a bit of damping change that happens in response to road surface. However, I noted the biggest automatic changes come response to brake/steering/gas input. Using any of those vehicle controls, cause the shocks to make a marked change in stiffness immediately. The electronic shocks really try to negate brake dive, body roll, and squat. The automated response to bumps and road surface seem minimal, in comparison (on the relatively smooth roads I was monitoring). I need to go back and test again to say for certain though.

I also spent alot of time trying to figure out exactly what the Mando sliders were controlling.
My 535i had two valves/motors on each shock. One controlled compression and one controlled rebound.
Seeing only one valve on each Stinger shock initially made me think only the rebound was motor controlled on this car.
But testing showed that here to, both rebound and compression was changing.

If I put the ride slider in Mando to 0%, the noise would dip down more during braking and less road texture would enter the cabin while riding. The car would also lean more to the outside of the curve during cornering. I surmised this was reduced compression.

Now, upping the Handling slider to 100%, the car still dived the same during braking. But the rear end would lift too. In corners, the car would still lean to the outside, but now the inside didn't rise (or roll) as high.

This satisfied my thinking that ride was compression and handling is rebound. It made sense by how the car was responding to various settings.

On top of all of that, the ECS is ALWAYS varying the shock valves based on drive input. This happens in all modes of both the stock Kia ECS and Mando ECS settings. I have nothing found a way that the amount of automatic stiffening/softening that occurs can be specified. It's different for each mode stock and in the Mando.
Do note though, that what you are setting with the stock Kia mode selector and with the Mando, seems to be the base shock characteristics. They car still firms or softens from there depending on the way the ECS and/or the Mando see fit according to their programming (that we can't change) sees fit.
Put simply, we can set the base shock values but the "Adaptive" function still works works on top of that.

This is the best I can tell from logging data and feeling what's going on. I'm not a chassis engineer, but have had with manually adjustable or electronic shocks on most of my recent vehicles. I may be in err or missing something here. It would be nice to get some expert insight or at least some detailed info from Mando to clear things up a bit.

You know, now that I think about it...
We may have our very own suspension expert right here on the forum.
I think his name is Steve. I recall that he was a chassis/shock tuner in his previous professional life, for a major automotive company.
He always seemed to grasp what the Stingers suspension weak spots are and how to fix them. I think he ended up getting Eibach springs and maybe later swaybars. I'll try to get his username and tag him. It may be beneficial to the community for us to take up a collection and send him a Mando for his Stinger. He certainly would be in a good position to tune the car (within the limits of the ECS) as he does this for a living.

I was able to get the rear where I wanted it. Smooth, taut, and flat. But that darn front suspension always managed to have some float or bounce I couldn`t tune out. Let me go through the old messages and see if I can find that guy's username. At the least, he may be able to give us some tips that set us in the right direction.

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Found him.!
Steve Ostrowski
What are your thoughts here? Anything we should know about the relation between rebound/compression that we should note to create a more stable ride?
 
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For your autocross, play around with the basic setting to see what you can come up with. I have tried mine up to 100%, all around to see how it did and you feel every thing if the road isn't smooth. I think 70 all around was really nice on smooth road, with hill crests, there wasn't any feeling of lift. Wasn't good for bad roads but might be good for autocross. Here is that post:

Got my 2nd service done today and decided to spend some time tweaking the ride. Decided to get one of my young car bud to do this with me. He wanted to try it out at 100%, so we set everything to 100% in the Basic section. It was good on smooth roads and you felt everything. We went down to 70 all around and it was good as well, more manageable, of course. He wanted to look for some bad roads to test it on but we couldn't so we went out on the highway and even though there was construction going on, nada. We got off one of the exit and bam, right into some crappy stuff, I changed it to 50/40 on the Ride portion and 60/50 on the Handling portion. This is probably as far as I would want to go for a Custom Sport setting, if you throw the Stinger's Sport Mode in the mix, it gets tighter and harder. Best for smooth roads, not so much for poor surfaces.

Ended up setting it at 45/35 on the Ride and 55/45 on the Handling to deal with some of the crappy roads. It was actually good at all speeds up to 80, all the modes we got to around 80 for brief stints. For those that don't want a bit harder feel and have good roads, you might like going up to 70%. I decided to make the front setting higher as I realized the rear had a hard hit when set to the same setting as the front, while the front felt better. The car now feels better balanced through dips and over imperfections. I'll probably work on a speed variable setting to share in the future.
 
I sure wish we could see what numbers the comfort and sport mode have programmed in for a starting point to a custom setting.
 
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I sure wish we could see what numbers the comfort and sport mode have programmed in for a starting point to a custom setting.

Me too!

It would also be lovely to be able to just edit those built in Sport or comfort modes the app offers.
There is hope though... Perhaps the app can be decompiled to see what actual settings it is using in each mode.
It is on my to do list, but I have 0 android programming experience.

Another method is that android has the ability to capture and record all bluetooth traffic, so seeing the commands would be easy as pie. However, I have yet to take a look and see if that data is transmitted in a readable (and understandable) form.

One last shot in the dark... If we all emailed the App developer through the Google Play Mando page, we could Express interest in an update that would provide this functionality to modify the basic app settings.
 
Thanks for all the feedback. As it happened, I couldn't get my new phone to reconnect with the Mando while at the auto-x - the ECS10 showed up as "connectable" but it would just spin and spin. I had to drive quite a ways and had a super-noisy motel, so I barely got any sleep. So I just left it as is, rather than trying to fidget with it and end up messing something up. In the end, the "Mando sport" mode worked fine.

Saturday was "novice school" (I'd been to one other auto-x 2 years ago with my Legacy GT) and we did slalom, tight turns, figure-8, skid pad and one other class. I will try to write it up elsewhere as well, but in summary:
-suspension didn't seem to be the limiting factor for me - it was tires, tires, tires (running OEM 225/255 19 PS4s). Ended up ripping 3-4 chunks off driver's front tire, a couple more off others. Still seem driveable, since we only get rain here. I ran a few psi over recommended (42/40 instead of 38/36) to start, driver's front got up to 47 psi at one point. So probably a little too much - last time at OEM, I rolled over a lot, so I tried to compensate.
-ended up turning jb4 back to stock - otherwise, WAY too much power for the tires. Just spin, spin, spin.
-used custom mode, so I could select "comfort" for the AWD setting - otherwise, again, in sport, spun the rear tires too much, and even with 2-stage traction disable, the nannies kept kicking in to limit power and I would surge / cut / surge
-ran in 2nd gear instead of 1st, again, to limit power.

With those settings, it was reasonably controlled, and the balance wasn't bad. Got some positive comments from several much better drivers / faster cars. Plus, I was in the first run group, and there was rain overnight and the track was wet. My best run (I was in STU due to cross-drilled rotors) I think I actually beat several Mustangs (GTs / various options) that on a dry track would have clearly beat me. I think the GT350 drivers were all faster, but so much wheel spin for them in the wet. I think I beat a couple of Vettes as well. Once the track got dry, track times REALLY dropped, so I'm sure I could run better later, but, AWD probably helped me be a bit more competitive.

Ok, not too much suspension related, sorry, but overall, I felt the suspension was decent and not a huge issue (in Custom / Sport with Mando set to their default "Sport" mode). Although making it somewhat stiffer overall would probably have been preferred..
 
Do you have sways or springs?
 
No suspension mods yet other than ECS10 - but Ark springs + Whiteline full kit (sways + links) on (back)order. ETA is sometime next month.
 
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