Eibach sway bars soft and hard settings

[StingerLover]

This continues to interest me: quite a few times we have this contrast of opinions on the stock/factory suspension: we find it great as-is. And others find it "terrible!" Makes me wonder if our individual vehicles are set up the same or not? I think it's possible that the suspension tuning varies from the factory.

The discrepancies are more likely due to subjective impressions. However, the GTs like mine don't have ECS. That might account for some differences.

 

[Rango]

This continues to interest me: quite a few times we have this contrast of opinions on the stock/factory suspension: we find it great as-is. And others find it "terrible!" Makes me wonder if our individual vehicles are set up the same or not? I think it's possible that the suspension tuning varies from the factory.

I must say though ... If you dont like your suspension ride, check out the Mando ECS. Search "Mando" on this forum. You could solve all your suspension qualms at a fraction of the cost as opposed to installing a lowering kit. Installed the Mando last week. OMG!

 

[MerlintheMad]

The discrepancies are more likely due to subjective impressions. However, the GTs like mine don't have ECS. That might account for some differences.

I must say though ... If you dont like your suspension ride, check out the Mando ECS. Search "Mando" on this forum. You could solve all your suspension qualms at a fraction of the cost as opposed to installing a lowering kit. Installed the Mando last week. OMG!
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So, Mando doesn't have any electronics at the suspension to interface with on a GT? RWD or AWD? I still don't know if AWD de facto comes with ECS.

 

[Rango]

Must post. The Mando

So, Mando doesn't have any electronics at the suspension to interface with on a GT? RWD or AWD? I still don't know of AWD de facto comes with ECS.

I have a 2018 GT2 AWD. The Mando works great. I read on on these forums under the original Mando thread where it only works with the GT2. I think that was false info. If your Stinger has ECS, the module should, and I say should work. I know you have read about the Mando on the Mando thread ... because you are all seeing, and the master of posts on this forum! you post here more than I pee ... which is a good thing!

 

[westcoastGT]

Must post. The Mando

I have a 2018 GT2 AWD. The Mando works great. I read on on these forums under the original Mando thread where it only works with the GT2. I think that was false info. If your Stinger has ECS, the module should, and I say should work. I know you have read about the Mando on the Mando thread ... because you are all seeing, and the master of posts on this forum! you post here more than I pee ... which is a good thing!

.............we all bow down to Merlin !

 

[Scott Charlton]

I am wondering if Eibach lowering springs would be a bad idea for Canadian winters. I am in Southern Ontario so not terrible amounts of snow but I am worried that lowering my car would be a bad idea. Any suggestions?

 

[MerlintheMad]

You guys.

2020 Info That is the 2020 trim brochure. "Dynamic Torque Vectoring" was nowhere in the 2018 brochure: can't speak for the 2019 brochure. But something has changed in two years. AWD is an option even for the GT-Line (conflation of the two former 2.0L trims into a single 2.0L trim); but "Dynamic Torque Vectoring" is something new, and separate from "Electronically Controlled Suspension": which only the GT1 and GT2 have, from the beginning.

There: I've answered my own question: Mando will not interface unless there is ECS. (Dynamic Torque Vectoring notwithstanding?) So, sway bars are the only option for tightening up the ride. Anyone with a GT or GT-Line (Base, Premium), even if they have AWD, are operating with a static suspension: and the ride should be identical in each vehicle until you add sway bars.

Whereas the ECS allows for tuning of the ride, on GT1 and GT2 trims; therefore a given vehicle could arrive from the factory with different ride characteristics: which sway bars will affect (soft or firm). Then add on the Mando.

I am wondering if Eibach lowering springs would be a bad idea for Canadian winters. I am in Southern Ontario so not terrible amounts of snow but I am worried that lowering my car would be a bad idea. Any suggestions?

Yes, not a good idea. I've described how a lowered car would have died last year, on a raised median strip that I did not see in deep dusk. Any amount of snow can hide crap like that. You want to keep the OE clearance, imho.​

 

[StingerLover]

You guys.

2020 Info That is the 2020 trim brochure. "Dynamic Torque Vectoring" was nowhere in the 2018 brochure: can't speak for the 2019 brochure. But something has changed in two years. AWD is an option even for the GT-Line (conflation of the two former 2.0L trims into a single 2.0L trim); but "Dynamic Torque Vectoring" is something new, and separate from "Electronically Controlled Suspension": which only the GT1 and GT2 have, from the beginning.

There: I've answered my own question: Mando will not interface unless there is ECS. (Dynamic Torque Vectoring notwithstanding?) So, sway bars are the only option for tightening up the ride. Anyone with a GT or GT-Line (Base, Premium), even if they have AWD, are operating with a static suspension: and the ride should be identical in each vehicle until you add sway bars.

Whereas the ECS allows for tuning of the ride, on GT1 and GT2 trims; therefore a given vehicle could arrive from the factory with different ride characteristics: which sway bars will affect (soft or firm). Then add on the Mando.

Clear as mud at midnight!

JK

 

[westcoastGT]

Clear as mud at midnight!

JK

...............merlin magic !!!

 

[Rango]

I am wondering if Eibach lowering springs would be a bad idea for Canadian winters. I am in Southern Ontario so not terrible amounts of snow but I am worried that lowering my car would be a bad idea. Any suggestions?

Snow tires ... do not lower it! ... I reside in the snow/melt/refreeze/snow on top of ice region of Merica. Super hairy and dangerous to drive.

 

[Rango]

...............merlin magic !!!

Mr

...............merlin magic !!!

@westcoastGT You are second behind Merlin, with posts that make my Stinger day.

 

[NS_Stinger]

You guys.

2020 Info That is the 2020 trim brochure. "Dynamic Torque Vectoring" was nowhere in the 2018 brochure: can't speak for the 2019 brochure. But something has changed in two years. AWD is an option even for the GT-Line (conflation of the two former 2.0L trims into a single 2.0L trim); but "Dynamic Torque Vectoring" is something new

Dynamic torque vectoring is not new and has been on the AWD models since the first model year, it was in the Canadian brochure and in just about every story and review on the AWD models. I'd be surprised if it wasn't in the American brochure.

Mando has nothing to do with torque vectoring or the AWD system, it's only for calibrating the ECS.

 

[Waynerm002]

I've had both the 2018 and now the 2019, I complained about the rear hop on the 2018 and got a sway bar, after I wrecked it, in anticipation that the 2019 would need it and they were in stock. Got the car and realized I had to go at higher speeds to get that to occur and it wasn't as bad as on the 2018. Lowering mine was something I wanted to do but I would like a slightly firmer ride, similar to the G70. I was elated when I heard about the Mando ECS unit and jumped on board. I find this to do the job for me, I can change up the ride and handling with the app.

Coupled with sway bars on the 2018, the Mando ECS unit will do some wonders and I suspect adding sways to the 2019 would probably do the same. For me though, I haven't found the need for the sway bar on the 2019 at this point. Others might want it and I might give it a try next year, who knows.

 

[Tonkabob]

2018 GT 2. Id say the sways are a 10/ 10 on the must have list. Flat cornering, less or no rear end hop amd slightly stiffer spring feel overall.
Also got the Mando and its pretty cool but not nearly the must have the sways are. Mando gets a 3 / 10. Thought of selling even but playing with some high squat settings for drag launches.

 

[Never thought]

I only have the Eibach rear sway bar, on soft the whole time. It'll be a year in February. Most of the time I don't even think about having it put in. My car handles to my satisfaction: which means little tendency to skip out in the rear and no hop (float).

Have you noticed it impacting the ride quality at all? Like more harshness over road imperfections? I still have too much rear twitch when hitting a bump even with the Eibach springs and the subframe collars. So I am considering adding rear sways but don’t want it to make the ride more harsh.

 

[itguy61]

A bit but not much, especially with both on soft. I have the rear on firm which did firm up the ride but not enough to be objectionable.

 

[Never thought]

A bit but not much, especially with both on soft. I have the rear on firm which did firm up the ride but not enough to be objectionable.

Thx! I plan on potentially just getting the rear sway bar and putting it on soft

 

[MerlintheMad]

Dynamic torque vectoring is not new and has been on the AWD models since the first model year, it was in the Canadian brochure and in just about every story and review on the AWD models. I'd be surprised if it wasn't in the American brochure.

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Be surprised, then: because the 2018 Stinger brochure has no "dynamic torque vectoring" mentioned in the trims descriptions: it only says, "All-wheel drive*". Interestingly, details missing are common: example: Premium says, "Power tilt & telescopic steering wheel". But neither the GT1 or GT2 include that.

Have you noticed it impacting the ride quality at all? Like more harshness over road imperfections? I still have too much rear twitch when hitting a bump even with the Eibach springs and the subframe collars. So I am considering adding rear sways but don’t want it to make the ride more harsh.

That was my primary concern when putting in the thicker rear sway bar. Before handling differences, I was focused on ride quality: obviously in just the first few miles it should have manifested over the same roads. I felt no difference in ride quality. And later, as described, I found the tighter (more planted) feel in the rear a complete justification of the recommendation that, "If you are going to get only one mod on this car, make it the Eibach rear sway bar." And, "This is how the Stinger should come from the factory."

Apparently, changes to the ECS tuning (as per @Waynerm002's experience with both the '18 and '19 GT2) have addressed the "float"; which would also address the "skipping out" (twitch) on uneven cornering.

As all of this is subjective, each driver must make up his or her own mind on what they feel about the "feel" of their particular stock vehicle.

 

[NS_Stinger]

Be surprised, then: because the 2018 Stinger brochure has no "dynamic torque vectoring" mentioned in the trims descriptions: it only says, "All-wheel drive*". Interestingly, details missing are common: example: Premium says, "Power tilt & telescopic steering wheel". But neither the GT1 or GT2 include that.

That was my primary concern when putting in the thicker rear sway bar. Before handling differences, I was focused on ride quality: obviously in just the first few miles it should have manifested over the same roads. I felt no difference in ride quality. And later, as described, I found the tighter (more planted) feel in the rear a complete justification of the recommendation that, "If you are going to get only one mod on this car, make it the Eibach rear sway bar." And, "This is how the Stinger should come from the factory."

Apparently, changes to the ECS tuning (as per @Waynerm002's experience with both the '18 and '19 GT2) have addressed the "float"; which would also address the "skipping out" (twitch) on uneven cornering.

As all of this is subjective, each driver must make up his or her own mind on what they feel about the "feel" of their particular stock vehicle.

Not sure what brochure you're talking about but I checked and it's mentioned in every Canadian and American brochure....got a link to the one you're not seeing it in?

 

[NS_Stinger]

I don't think you'll find record of any Stinger owner regretting that they installed the Eibach bars. I'm running the rear bar only on soft and it was a night and day difference to handling with almost no adverse affect on ride firmness. I've decided to eventually install the front bar because I love the rear one so much.